Evidence of meeting #55 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sms.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Franz Reinhardt  Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
Susan Stanfield  Legal Counsel, Department of Transport
Merlin Preuss  Director General, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Bélanger.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Regarding the definition, I like the idea of changing "high risk" to "low risk" and regarding the idea of removing the word "scheduled" from the English version, which corresponds to the word régulier in the French version, I would like to understand the impact. Does it actually exclude all chartered flights?

3:45 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Yes, it does say: "(b) the organization's activities do not include the scheduled air transportation of fare-paying passengers;"

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

All right, but it still includes flights with fare-paying passengers, no matter what size. Am I right?

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Yes, indeed. In the previous version, the term "scheduled" did not adequately include fare-paying passengers. Removing this term greatly extends the coverage. It covers anyone who purchases a ticket.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

In fact, it effectively excludes chartered flight operators. They cannot be designated.

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

In my opinion, this is a good step forward.

Does the government intend to propose amendments to subsection 5.31(3)?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

To proposed subsection 5.31(3).

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

That is:

(3) A designated organization has all the powers necessary to monitor compliance with the standards and rules that it establishes.

Is there any intention of modifying that at all?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Reinhardt.

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Further on, you will see other amendments that modify this provision.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Must we adopt this first?

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

In the pile of amendments that you received, on page 3, there is an amendment to a new provision, namely subsection (7).

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Do you mean inspection?

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Yes. This will give you the result that you wanted from number (3).

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

That is also very good.

In amendment G-2, subsection 5.31(c), it says "any condition prescribed by regulation."

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

It does not affect that.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Should we say "(c) any condition prescribed by regulation that does not violate the current legislation"? I am not sure whether it is necessary; I am only asking for some advice. In other words, we could not rescind the prohibitions or restrictions imposed by the act through regulations.

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

Mr. Bélanger, what you are looking for is in subsection (8), which, I think, is on the next page.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Is this the handout?

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Is it on page 4 of the document?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

That's new proposed subsection 5.31(7) and--

3:50 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

It is on the last page.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Indeed, we have made great progress!

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I am satisfied.