Evidence of meeting #56 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sms.
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NDP
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
We have reviewed that piece of legislation many times. This amendment was made to take care of the concern you had last week. It's not being overwritten by anything else. What you see is what is there. If someone reports through the internal system in good faith, then that person will still be protected if he or she reports to anybody else later on.
Merlin Preuss Director General, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
There's another way to look at that, Mr. Julian. The concept you find in this amendment is not found elsewhere. It shouldn't create a conflict between what was there before and this one, because it's addressing the individual employee in this context.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed
Is there any further comment?
(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed
Next is amendment NDP-7.2. It is on page 36.1 in your program.
Mr. Julian.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
Mr. Chair, you're moving a little too quickly for me there.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed
We didn't move NDP-7 or NDP-7.1. At that time Mr. Julian expressed an interest in trying to work those two motions into an individual motion, which is now NDP-7.2.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC
This is in relation to the amendments we previously considered on Monday. In clause 12, rather than amending the section that was amended, it would add a new subsection: (1.01) Despite subsection (1), the Minister of Transport shall not designate a commercial air service, an aerodrome, an air navigation service or a manufacturer of aeronautical products relating to commercial air services to exercise or perform any of the powers, duties and functions set out in subsection (2).
Through the legislation drafter, we have this recommendation for the wording. It would create a new subsection that further defines what could be qualified or not as a designated organization.
Bloc
Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC
My question is for Mr. Reinhardt.
At first glance, Mr. Julian's proposal does not pose a problem, because I don't see how a commercial airline, an airport, an air navigation service—NAV Canada—a builder or manufacturer would become a designated organization.
Could you enlighten me on that subject?
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
The other day, I talked to you about the spraying of farmers', cultivators' lands by aircraft. This is a commercial air service. It is not passenger transport; it's a commercial air service under part 702. So we would like to designate that kind of thing.
Bloc
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
The association represents operators, but they do not work for nothing. As these are people who are paid, it's therefore considered commercial.
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
However, we definitely do not intend to designate NAV Canada.
Few people are aware that there are small air navigation companies like Serco, at Portage La Prairie Airport or in places of that kind. There may be a few. They are not very numerous, but they may be very good candidates for this kind of thing.
As regards aircraft manufacturers, as you know, there is quite a large population of aircraft and aircraft parts manufacturers, like Bombardier, in Canada.
Bloc
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
No, for the moment, that has not been considered.
Bloc
Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC
I find it hard to say that a building would become a designated organization for clients.
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
No, that is not our intent.
As I told you, it was mainly the services we discussed last week, such as the aircraft spraying service. There may be commercial geodetic services, which do monitoring, find mines, and so on. Once again, that is a commercial operation, since people pay for services that are quite self-sufficient and people can conduct good monitoring of their own activities. That is why I hesitate to keep the word “commercial” there.
However, we don't intend to designate NAV Canada. But other air navigation services might perhaps fit the bill.
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
Other than NAV Canada, yes.
Liberal
Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON
The amendment introduced by Mr. Julian refers to “an air navigation service or a manufacturer of aeronautical products”. Are “aeronautical products” defined in the act? Otherwise, what does that term encompass?
Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
Aeronautical products are defined as any aircraft engine, aircraft propeller, or aircraft appliance, or part of the component parts of any of those things, including any computer system and software.