Evidence of meeting #2 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was subcommittee.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Geneviève Gosselin  Committee Researcher
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Caroline Bosc

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

I call this meeting to order. We have some committee business to deal with here, but I want to preface any comments by extending an apology.

Today I attended the international trade committee, and in my zest to get to further work on our agenda, I mentioned some of the things that were passed at our subcommittee that we're bringing to committee today. We're going to be discussing these today, but I just didn't feel right that I mentioned them there before you folks had a chance to see what came out of the subcommittee. I want to extend an apology for that.

The intent was to start the process of working cross-committee with other committees that I'm sure these motions are going to touch and trying to get those yardsticks on the field sooner rather than later. Once again, I do apologize for that.

That said, I also want to take the opportunity to invite the analysts to come forward and formally introduce themselves. They can give us somewhat of a rundown on how important they in fact are as we move forward.

I'll pass it over to you. Welcome.

3:35 p.m.

Geneviève Gosselin Committee Researcher

Hello, everybody. My name is Geneviève Gosselin. With me is my colleague Daniel Farrelly. We are the analysts for the TRAN committee.

I've been working with TRAN for a bit over two years now. We've done a lot. Two years in TRAN is like five years at other committees.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Committee Researcher

Geneviève Gosselin

I want to talk briefly about what analysts do for committees, especially since we have a couple of new MPs here.

We have given you a very fancy binder. We have it in English and French. I think we distributed it according to your first language, but you can come to me if you want another version. That's just to give you an idea of what we do. In the binder, we've listed the products and services for parliamentary committees.

Briefly, what we do for every meeting when we have witnesses for a study is to make a briefing note. Briefing notes provide context for the study, with maybe a brief description of the witnesses and suggested questions. All of the briefing notes are sent 24 hours in advance in both official languages. Everybody receives these at the same time. We also write the draft reports, which are also sent a couple of days in advance. What's very important is that everything we do is based on facts. Reports are based on evidence—solely. We are non-partisan, which is the most important thing to remember.

If the committee requests it, we can give you a list of potential witnesses. We also write plans for reports or a plan for a study if time allows, which it often doesn't. Also, as a lot of you know, for your own office, we also answer requests. Many of you have already used our services. That service for you is for your office only; it is confidential. If you ever have a request about transportation or infrastructure, you can always come to see us, either by calling us or sending an email. I've left you with my personal business card and the library's card. If it's for a request about anything other than transportation—health, immigration or anything—you have the library's generic number and email, which you can always send.

Next, we prepare publications. I put a few examples in the binder. First, we have what we call Hill notes. They are short publications. I went to the trouble of including one I did about the Hyperloop project. All publications have to have a connection to Parliament. We also put out lengthy publications, such as the one on self-driving vehicles. We prepare legislative summaries of bills, as well. Whenever we release a publication, a copy is sent to you. Publications are available to the public, but they will also be available in the digital binder.

In addition, we prepare research papers. They aren't public, but they are sent to all committee members. We recently put together one on the aircraft certification process. If it's not already in the digital binder, it will be soon. All committee members have access to those documents. There are already quite a few, with more coming in the days ahead. As for reports, we'll talk about those when the time comes.

If you have any questions for us, you can drop by or give us a call. We are always available.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

Thank you.

Are there any questions?

As there are no questions, we'll move on.

Members of the committee have received the report of the subcommittee with respect to the motions that were brought forward by all parties. These are now being recommended by the subcommittee to all of you.

I'll go through the motions and ask the members who had brought those motions forward to speak on them and see if there are any questions from the floor, as well as any comments.

With that, we're going to start with the first one. We have a motion brought forward here by the NDP.

Mr. Bachrach, did you want to make any comment on that?

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I don't think there's any major comment to be made other than just noting the amendments that we made at the subcommittee. There was some discussion about adding item (d) and I believe some words were removed, as well. For the most part, I think it speaks for itself.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.

Are there any further questions or comments?

Mr. Doherty.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

The following was brought to my attention just prior to this meeting, and I think it would be a good amendment if the committee agrees to it. It follows the recommendation that whenever a minister appears before the committee, every effort be made to ensure that the meeting is televised. We agreed to that. To the next recommendation—“That all requests to appear before the committee be distributed to the committee members”—I move that we add that “all briefing materials submitted to the clerk be distributed to the committee members”.

I'm not saying this is common practice, but we've found in the past that perhaps the government side has received the briefing documents prior to the rest of the committee getting those documents, so we would add that all briefing materials submitted to the clerk also be distributed to the committee members.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

We're actually looking at the second motion.

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

It's the third.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

Mr. Doherty, if I could just go back to the first motion, which is Mr. Bachrach's motion. Are there any questions or comments on that? I see none.

With respect to the minister appearing, are there any questions or comments on that? We are receiving confirmation that both ministers will, in fact, be appearing next Thursday. As I mentioned at the last meeting, there is the meeting with the department on Tuesday if we start the Max 8 discussions.

With that, we'll now move on to Mr. Doherty's amendment.

Madam Clerk, would you to read the amendment?

3:40 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Caroline Bosc

The amendment would be, “and that all briefing materials submitted to the clerk be distributed to the committee members.”

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

Are there any questions or comments on that amendment? I see none.

(Amendment agreed to)

Mr. Doherty, do you want to talk about the next motion?

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

This motion was first tabled in the dying days of the last session:

That, the committee undertake a study of four meetings in regard to Transport Canada's aircraft certification process, including, but not limited to, the nature of Transport Canada's relationship to the Federal Aviation Administration and other certifying bodies, as well as the role of airplane manufacturers in the certification process.

This is top of mind. We know that the families and Canadians all across our country are very cognizant that possible recertification in July of the 737 Max is fast approaching. They want to ensure that we parliamentarians are doing our job in checking how this certification is going with the officials. They want to make sure that we're not just relying on the FAA, which was a rubber stamp and one of the previous issues.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

Are there any questions or comments on that motion?

Ms. Jaczek.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Helena Jaczek Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

First of all, I'd like to say that I was really impressed to read the report by the subcommittee. It looks like it was a collaborative exercise. Overall, I think that's the spirit we want to continue in.

In relation to this specific motion, I wanted to check.... It's kind of a technical question. We did receive the library research paper on the certification process for commercial aircraft in Canada. In that paper, they refer to Transport Canada Civil Aviation. Mr. Doherty, is that exactly what you mean by Federal Aviation Administration?

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

If I may, Mr. Chair, the Federal Aviation Administration is the U.S. counterpart to Transport Canada.

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Liberal

Helena Jaczek Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

I see. Okay.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

The FAA works with the aircraft manufacturers to recertify that aircraft. It's been the natural course for Transport Canada, in our close relationship with our U.S. counterparts, that once the FAA signs off on something, Transport Canada follows suit.

In relation to the 737 Max issue, there are reports that we, meaning Transport Canada, essentially rubber-stamped it. The FAA said it was okay and they rubber-stamped it. That's what the question is. We want to bring the officials here to find out if we're going to make any changes in our recertification process.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Helena Jaczek Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Thank you for that clarification.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

Are there other questions or comments from members of the committee?

Okay. We'll move on.

The next motion, once again, is the motion by....

Mr. Berthold, go ahead.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Luc Berthold Conservative Mégantic—L'Érable, QC

I'd like you to clarify something, please. The motions are being put forward, but we aren't adopting them. Is that right?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

I was simply going to do them in a block. Do you want to do them individually?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Luc Berthold Conservative Mégantic—L'Érable, QC

I think it's better.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Vance Badawey

Okay.

Mr. Bachrach, do you want to move your motion?