Evidence of meeting #24 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ports.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Baudry  Chief of Staff and Vice-President, Communications and External Affairs, Montreal Port Authority
Laberge  President and Chief Executive Officer, Saguenay Port Authority
Salmons  President and Chief Executive Officer, Windsor Port Authority
Reeves  Spokesperson, Vigie Citoyenne Port de Contrecoeur
Métivier  President and Chief Executive Officer, Trois-Rivières Port Authority

11:55 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Saguenay Port Authority

Carl Laberge

The national trade corridors fund was indeed very important for us because it enabled us to fund our bulk handling project, among other things.

The new program that was recently announced is also crucial for infrastructure like ours to be able to quickly increase its port capacity so that it's possible to quickly meet this demand, as well as deal with events that will, as we know, happen in the future. That's what we're currently preparing. We hope that this fund will also be flexible enough to help us develop certain transport infrastructure related to industrial development and enable us to take advantage of the opportunities that this affords us.

Mike Kelloway Liberal Sydney—Glace Bay, NS

Thank you for that. You said a key word, flexibility, in terms of the current allotment of dollars that were approved through the budget.

I'm wondering if we can go to our next witness.

Monsieur Baudry, would you like to comment on investments that are in the budget and how they will help? You can also speak to the past investments made through other funds that Quebec has accessed.

Noon

Chief of Staff and Vice-President, Communications and External Affairs, Montreal Port Authority

Julien Baudry

Thank you very much for the question.

There's no doubt that public investment in port projects has a very significant leverage effect. I would remind you that ports don't receive funding for operations, which means that every project we carry out ultimately belongs to the Crown. It's public, then, but it's funded by the private sector. That means that when there's a public contribution that reduces the investment risk—as is the case in Contrecœur, as well as in other projects we have done on the island of Montreal—the public asset then becomes even more valuable.

I want to come back to that leverage effect. In Montreal, but also in Contrecœur, we're going to support nearly one million jobs a year through freight transportation. The value of goods that pass through the Port of Montreal at some point is equivalent to 10% of Quebec's GDP. That leverage effect is significant, and the impact is being felt right in Canadians' homes. These are everyday products. When funding is available to help, it's a step in the right direction.

However, it's important to be able to maintain a balance between the private and public sectors. The private sector has a role to play. Of course, we hope that the new version of the program will allow for an even stronger private-public balance and, as my colleague said, more flexibility and vision to ensure that the port system is more resilient.

Noon

Liberal

Mike Kelloway Liberal Sydney—Glace Bay, NS

I really appreciate your last point in terms of the jobs that can be created. The export of product and bringing product in are important things, not just to financial stakeholders but to how we cut down costs on everyday products. The jobs this creates in Quebec are substantial. It's a huge engine.

I think I have about 30 seconds left. I'll stick with you, Mr. Baudry, in terms of this particular question, and then we'll go to Mr. Laberge. If there were one or two bottlenecks you would recommend that the Government of Canada focus on, in collaboration with you, what would they be?

Noon

Chief of Staff and Vice-President, Communications and External Affairs, Montreal Port Authority

Julien Baudry

The biggest bottleneck right now is a data issue. We need more visibility in terms of data to make better decisions. Physical infrastructure is crucial, but in the world we live in, digital infrastructure is essential for keeping ports running and for providing more visibility. A number of projects are on the table, particularly for the St. Lawrence. They're essential for making good use of all the investments in physical infrastructure.

Noon

President and Chief Executive Officer, Saguenay Port Authority

Carl Laberge

For my part, I would say, as I mentioned earlier, that a small port authority like ours needs access to capital and loans that are specifically tailored to our type of organization.

When it comes to large-scale projects, for us and for our clients, there's also the whole permitting process, which I'd say is very lengthy in Quebec and across Canada. We need to finance projects, but after that, things get pretty complicated. If we could be faster and more flexible, and if we had more resources for financing, we'd be better partners and much more effective.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you very much, Mr. Laberge and Mr. Baudry, for taking the time to be with us this morning.

Colleagues, we're going to suspend to allow the clerk to welcome the next round of witnesses.

The meeting is suspended to the call of the chair.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

I call this meeting back to order.

Colleagues, I would now like to welcome our witnesses.

First, by video conference, we have Anick Métivier, president and chief executive officer of the Trois-Rivières Port Authority.

Then, we will hear from Hélène Reeves, spokesperson for Vigie Citoyenne Port de Contrecœur.

From the Windsor Port Authority, we have Mr. Steve Salmons, president and chief executive officer.

Welcome to you, sir.

It's great to have you all here.

We're going to start with our opening remarks, and for that, Mr. Salmons, I'll turn the floor over to you. You have five minutes, please.

Steve Salmons President and Chief Executive Officer, Windsor Port Authority

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and all honourable members of the committee.

First of all, allow me to recognize and thank each of you for your particular attention and focus on the support, diversification and modernization of Canada's port system. As you may be aware from my colleagues, who have made many presentations now, and the Association of Canadian Port Authorities, we've been diligently advocating for reform to the Canada Marine Act and, more recently, regulatory reforms without any necessary changes to the act. These things would provide Canada's national port system with the flexibility and the tools necessary to prosper and meet the full intent of the act, which is to contribute to the competitiveness, growth and prosperity of the Canadian economy.

I always begin by reminding the audience that Canada has many coasts. It has the east, the west and the north, but it also has an underutilized southern corridor, Canada's fourth coast: the St. Lawrence Seaway system, or more descriptively, the Great Lakes St. Lawrence Seaway System. Surrounded by two provinces and eight states, collectively, we make up the world's third-largest economy. However, we allow this corridor to languish at less than 50% capacity.

While it is now obvious to everyone that we must reduce our reliance on U.S. trade and diversify to include non-U.S. trade, I would submit that this southern corridor trade continues to be essential to the economies of our country. The shipments of grain, aggregates, salt, fuels, iron ore, steel, aluminum and so many more products are as essential to our mutual Great Lakes economies as containers are to the east and west coasts, and collaboration, not competition, is how it all works.

Windsor takes grain from Thunder Bay and ships protein meal to Quebec. Quebec ships steel and aluminum to Windsor. Windsor sends asphalt to HOPA. In short, we are a system, mutually dependent on the strength of each port, with each port contributing their strengths and serving their local economy. Strong economies across the Great Lakes St. Lawrence Seaway System mean a strong Canada.

Despite the current geopolitical climate, the U.S. ports are also an essential part of that system. I don't compete with Detroit, Monroe or Cleveland. However, their governments compete with me by providing a steady stream of funding and financial supports to encourage renewal and product diversification in their markets.

People are always surprised to learn that Canada's ports do not receive annual funding from the federal government. We are designed and tasked to be self-sufficient, with all the tools provided in the act. However, our system is aging, and our revenue model has peaked; the regulatory restrictions are limiting our growth options, and the Americans are moving forward with or, I fear, without us. Cleveland, Monroe, Detroit, Illinois and Duluth all provide short-sea shipping of containers to world markets for their industry and their local economies.

While Windsor is building, and Hamilton and Quebec City are ready, we have been hamstrung by regulatory barriers, the worst of which has been the inability of CBSA to provide the necessary support. This is in the face of a recently commissioned study by the Great Lakes ports, which overwhelmingly verified that in each and every port, the short-sea shipping of containers on the Great Lakes is faster and cheaper for industry. In fact, at Port Windsor, it would reduce shipping time by eight days and shave off $3,000 per container for industry. All CBSA costs would be recovered in under 90 days each year. The short-sea shipping of containers provides supply chain capacity, security and, most importantly, opportunity.

The last big idea on the Great Lakes was in 1959, when we opened the St. Lawrence Seaway. Perhaps after nearly 70 years, it's time to be bold once again.

Thank you very much giving me the honour and privilege of providing my comments and attending your committee today. I'll use my last few seconds to acknowledge and say hello to my MP in Port Windsor, Harb Gill.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you very much, Mr. Salmons.

Ms. Reeves, you have the floor for five minutes.

Hélène Reeves Spokesperson, Vigie Citoyenne Port de Contrecoeur

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, members of the committee.

Vigie citoyenne port de Contrecœur is a group of citizens concerned about the environmental, social and economic effects of the Contrecœur port project.

Let's talk about the economic aspect first.

Recently, on CBC News's The National, Professor Jean‑Paul Rodrigue, a marine traffic specialist at Texas A&M University, said that the Contrecœur port project should have been built 20 years ago, but that it's no longer relevant. He explains that this is because new container ships are getting bigger and bigger and can't navigate to Contrecœur or Montreal because of the shallow draft of about 11 metres. Mr. Rodrigue believes that this $2.3 billion expansion would not open up new markets but would cannibalize the existing one in Montreal. In his view, the future lies with deepwater ports starting from Quebec City.

A recent academic study by Éric Pineault of the Institut des sciences de l'environnement at the Université du Québec à Montréal also concludes that the port of Contrecœur is at risk of being underutilized, unprofitable and a financial burden for Canadian taxpayers. The study explains that the Port of Montreal, far from being saturated, is already missing its traffic targets and fails to account for climate change, which is lowering the river's water level, threatening the viability of a terminal that is already unable to accommodate the majority of the global fleet. The Port of Montreal handled 1.5 million containers in 2025, the same volume as in 2014.

On the environmental side, the destruction of an exceptional ecosystem on the banks of the St. Lawrence, adjacent to the Îles‑de‑Contrecœur national wildlife area, would be an invaluable loss.

It would never occur to members that a port in Stanley Park would cut down 13,000 trees and pave over hundreds of acres.

Preserving Contrecœur's 100‑year-old forest is just as essential, because it serves as a natural lung next to an already very heavy industrial area.

Air quality is at stake, as the port would also contribute to greenhouse gases and polluting emissions from its machinery, ships at dock burning fuel oil around the clock, and the 1,200 trucks per day expected to use the facility. We are concerned for the health of citizens, as a public health report has already noted a higher rate of lung disease and cancer in the region.

The health of the river is also at risk, as the shorelines are suffering from massive erosion due mainly to the wake of commercial vessels, which would be greatly increased by the project.

We are concerned about water quality because the port construction will take place on land that is designated by the City of Contreœur's regulations as contaminated due to the presence of many metals and petroleum products. However, the Port of Montreal won't comply with the permits required for construction, and the mayor says she's going to have to yield to the port's demand to negotiate financial compensation behind closed doors instead.

We are asking the committee for its assistance in ensuring that the port complies with the City of Contrecœur's regulations, as the contaminants present could pollute the river and the Contrecœur drinking water treatment plant, located five kilometres downstream.

This failure to comply with city regulations is also cause for concern because the port has awarded DP World, a company based in the United Arab Emirates, a 40-year contract for land-based operations and the management of the Port of Contrecœur. Recently, however, the Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec suspended its investments with DP World due to its CEO's ties to Jeffrey Epstein. In the United States, Congress has opposed DP World's investments in several ports on national security grounds. We are calling for a review by the Office of the Inspector General for National Security and Intelligence Activities regarding the consequences of handing over control of the Port of Contrecœur to DP World for 40 years.

For all these reasons, we are calling for a moratorium on the Contrecœur port project so that independent experts can reassess its viability, given that its $2.3 billion cost, including $580 million in subsidies, and the fact that it does not seem to be an effective solution for diversifying our markets and reducing our dependence on the United States.

Thank you very much for listening. I will be pleased to answer any questions you may have.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you, Ms. Reeves.

Mr. Métivier, the floor is yours for five minutes.

Anick Métivier President and Chief Executive Officer, Trois-Rivières Port Authority

Mr. Chair and members of the committee, thank you for having me here today.

The Port of Trois-Rivières handles more than four million tons of cargo annually and sees 70,000 trucks, 11,000 railcars and nearly 250 ships pass through its facilities. It serves businesses located throughout Quebec, Ontario and as far away as western Canada that operate in key economic sectors, including manufacturing, agri-food, mining and energy.

The Port of Trois-Rivières is currently carrying out the largest investment project in its history. Between 2024 and 2027, more than $300 million will have been invested by the Trois-Rivières Port Authority, its partners and the governments of Quebec and Canada to rebuild or construct two docks and three terminals. This project is the culmination of a major upgrade effort launched in 2008 that has modernized a large portion of the port's freight infrastructure. However, as soon as they are completed, those facilities will be operating at full capacity. To help businesses access overseas markets, the Port of Trois-Rivières will need to be able to deploy additional capacity.

In the St. Lawrence corridor, several infrastructure projects are reaching the end of their useful life. Rebuilding them is no longer a matter of maintenance, but a matter of economic continuity and logistical sovereignty. However, it would be a mistake to simply rebuild infrastructure designed to meet the needs of 100 years ago. Modernization must go hand in hand with reconstruction. Supply chains have evolved significantly, with larger ships, more specialized terminals and increased integration with the rail and road networks. At the same time, ports must contend with growing environmental requirements that are set to intensify over time.

Our port network is currently facing a challenge of unprecedented scale: supporting Canadian businesses as they diversify their export markets amid a rapidly changing global landscape. Now more than ever, our businesses must be able to rely on a strong, agile, and resilient port network. This resilience depends on a complementary port network, in which each port along the St. Lawrence River plays a specific role. Within this network, the Port of Trois-Rivières occupies a strategic position. Located at the heart of the St. Lawrence corridor, it helps stabilize supply chains and provides key industries—including aluminum smelters and critical minerals—with access to global markets.

Ports must serve both as gateways to international markets and as partners to the local community. They must therefore balance global challenges with local needs. It is within this context that the development project for the waterfront of the Port of Trois-Rivières, located near downtown and integrated into the urban fabric, is taking shape. To bring these ambitions to fruition, we are working closely with Transport Canada to secure the necessary authorities.

The work of this committee has highlighted the limitations of the current framework. Port authorities are being asked to manage public assets that will last for generations, make massive investments and be financially self-sufficient, all while playing an increased role in the energy transition and integration into the local community.

In this context, three concrete courses of action clearly emerge.

First, it's important to explicitly recognize that rebuilding and modernizing existing infrastructure is a strategic investment essential to market diversification and economic resilience.

Second, federal levers need to be accelerated and made more predictable, particularly for projects that are ready to move forward and supported by communities.

Third, the regulatory framework must be adapted to enable ports to fully play their dual role of acting as gateways to global markets while acting as integral partners within their local communities.

Finally, one factor that keeps coming up is time. The projects are ready, the needs have been identified, and the partners are on board. What is needed now is a swift, consistent and predictable deployment of federal levers. In this regard, we welcome the recent launch of the call for proposals for the trade diversification corridors fund and the Arctic infrastructure fund.

In conclusion, in an unstable global context, Canada must strengthen its entire port network in order to truly diversify its markets, reduce its vulnerabilities and bolster its economic sovereignty. It must also provide ports with the tools they need to operate effectively today and for decades to come.

Thank you for your time.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you very much, Mr. Métivier.

We'll start with you, Mr. Muys. You have the floor for six minutes.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Muys Conservative Flamborough—Glanbrook—Brant North, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to all the witnesses for being here and for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.

I had the opportunity, on January 16, to be in Windsor with my friends and colleagues Mr. Gill and Ms. Borrelli. We discussed, with a number of businesses, various issues in Windsor. I had a session with the Windsor Essex Chamber of Commerce at the end of the day. Unfortunately, you were not available. There was someone who asked a couple of questions on your behalf. Frankly, I think it's better if we ask those questions directly and have the discussion here. It will be more fulsome.

I'm really glad that you talked about Canada's fourth coast because HOPA—the Hamilton Oshawa Port Authority, which is in my backyard—has done some great work on this. We know about the huge opportunity being missed with the Great Lakes St. Lawrence Seaway, particularly when it comes to short-sea shipping, as you talked about. You mentioned Cleveland, Duluth, Detroit and others on the U.S. side that are galloping ahead.

What do we do to catch up and ensure that we're going to leap ahead on short-sea shipping?

12:25 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Windsor Port Authority

Steve Salmons

The answer is not a lack of willingness or readiness among the ports. We have been advocating for this for years. In fact, the ports I mentioned, both HOPA and Quebec City, have ready-made and ready-to-go facilities. With the last trade corridor funding program in the early twenties, Port Windsor was successful. We are currently building a terminal that will be ready and enabled for short-sea container shipping.

The problem we face is really one of securing proper support from CBSA. We have been in regular communication with them. They have regularly responded that it's about lack of resources. They are unable to support this. We were very gratified to see, in the last budget, some direction to CBSA and Transport Canada to provide support, starting with Hamilton and Quebec City, but it's not enough, quite frankly.

Yes, Hamilton and Quebec City have to get going, but the system on the Great Lakes will work only when all ports are participating. Unlike the east and west coasts, where you'll bring in a ship of 8,000 to 12,000 containers, we're looking at 800 to 1,200 containers. It's a milk run. You pick up a few hundred and drop off a few hundred. You go right through the Great Lakes and pick them up. It will be efficient and successful when we're all in it, including our American partners.

Having said that, we can't wait for the next two years as Hamilton and Quebec City get on board, then look at Windsor, then look at Thunder Bay and then look at Picton. We can't wait for a decade. By the end of this decade, we will have six major American ports up and running.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Muys Conservative Flamborough—Glanbrook—Brant North, ON

Thank you for amplifying the importance of the CBSA facility for the system at Windsor—and the fact that we can't wait.

This dovetails into my next question.

You talked, at the outset, about regulatory reforms and the advocacy work you and the Association of Canadian Port Authorities have been doing. We've heard from them that they're hamstrung by regulatory burdens. This committee toured ports and talked about port infrastructure three years ago. Then there was Bill C-33, which really didn't address a lot of the issues we heard. It died on the Order Paper.

What needs to be done? We're not waiting through another three years of talk and no action. What can be done now to ensure that we're not waiting and falling further behind those U.S. ports?

12:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Windsor Port Authority

Steve Salmons

We met with senior policy officials at Transport Canada to lay out a go-forward strategy in the absence of Bill C-33. We advocated right from the beginning, during the first discussions on the modernization of the Canada Marine Act, that most of what ports need can be done without modernization. It's about regulatory features, lending—you've heard a lot about this, I know—the environment and flexibility in allowing us to move forward in lines of business that are marine- and logistics-related and consistent but restricted under the current act.

Allow collaboration among ports. We have been engaged with our colleagues in Hamilton, Thunder Bay and other ports to create consortiums, but this is restricted.

Dan Muys Conservative Flamborough—Glanbrook—Brant North, ON

This is helpful, because we've heard about the financial flexibility, and that was one of the levers addressed in Bill C-33—although, in our view, it was insufficient. I'm curious to have your view on it, because it limits what you can do to expand and seize all of those opportunities.

12:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Windsor Port Authority

Steve Salmons

Yes. When it comes to borrowing, our argument has always been that ultimately we have to go to the markets—banks, most likely. No criteria that officials in Transport or Finance can put before us are going to be tougher than those of the banks. There has always been an argument that ultimately it comes back to the Government of Canada. We own the assets. We own the liability. We have a feature in the act that says we are unable to pledge the Crown as a guarantee. We've suggested the solution is as simple; we cannot pledge the Crown to guarantee the liability.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you very much, Mr. Salmons and Mr. Muys.

Next, we'll go to Mr. Greaves.

The floor is yours. You have six minutes, sir.

Will Greaves Liberal Victoria, BC

Good morning to all of our witnesses, or at least good morning from British Columbia. Thank you for being here.

I'd like to build on my colleague's question about some of the regulatory or red tape obstacles to your ports' efficiency and expansion. I might ask both of the representatives of our ports here today to say if there is a single nonfinancial action that the federal government could take to help streamline your operations or reduce your regulatory burden. Can you tell us what your top priority for that action would be?

We can start with Mr. Métivier and, after that, go to Mr. Salmons.

12:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Trois-Rivières Port Authority

Anick Métivier

Good morning. Thank you for the question.

However, I would like you to clarify your remarks a little. You're talking about a non-financial action, right?

Will Greaves Liberal Victoria, BC

That's correct. Outside of new investments, what single action would have the biggest impact that the federal government could take for you?

12:35 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Trois-Rivières Port Authority

Anick Métivier

As we discussed earlier, when it comes to any new project, it is certainly important to ensure a quick response and processing time, as well as efficient support as a project sponsor. Some processes should be sped up a bit, without compromising the quality of environmental work. That's really where there could be an improvement.