Evidence of meeting #29 for Veterans Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was going.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Patricia Morand  Occupational Therapist and Clinical Care Manager, As an Individual
Carolyn Hughes  Acting Director, Veterans Services, National Headquarters, The Royal Canadian Legion
Scott Maxwell  Executive Director, Wounded Warriors Canada
Christopher Banks  Sergeant (Retired), As an Individual
Christine Gauthier  Corporal (Retired), As an Individual
Bruce Moncur  Corporal (Retired), As an Individual

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Thank you.

If you don't mind sharing, can you expand a little on your injury? I understand how disappointed you are with the service you've been receiving right now.

5:20 p.m.

Sergeant (Retired), As an Individual

Christopher Banks

As far as my injury goes, I was in combat. As much as I took the mental health training seriously before deployment, I think everyone with lived experience will tell you that there's no amount of pretraining you can go through to just walk away from that shit—pardon my language.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

No problem, and thank you so much.

How is my time, Mr. Chair?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

You have two more minutes to go.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Is it possible for me to share my remaining time with my colleague Sean Casey?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Yes.

MP Sean Casey, please go ahead.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Wilson Miao Liberal Richmond Centre, BC

Thank you.

December 1st, 2022 / 5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Casey Liberal Charlottetown, PE

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I'll go back to you, Sergeant Banks.

If the imposition of this contract has no effect on the role of the case manager, and if I were to tell you that after this contract is rolled out—in spite of what you may have heard from various sources—case managers would still approve rehabilitation plans, still monitor and evaluate rehabilitation progress and still coordinate participants' needs, what impact would that have on your opinion of the contract?

5:20 p.m.

Sergeant (Retired), As an Individual

Christopher Banks

I was sharing anecdotally with my wife the other day that this new contract feels a whole lot like when the bar down the road is closed by the health department and opens two weeks later under new management. I do not believe the status quo is going to be good enough for veterans, and if you took my testimony at face value, I think you can see why.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Casey Liberal Charlottetown, PE

We heard in part of your testimony, certainly in the first question that you answered for Mr. Tolmie, that case managers are trying. I did take that at face value. If those case managers who are trying are now supported by having administrative tasks taken away from them in order to be able to focus on the veterans, do you think that's a good thing?

5:25 p.m.

Sergeant (Retired), As an Individual

Christopher Banks

I would disagree with the phrasing that it's “a good thing” and that it's benefiting them to take administrative processes away from them. The view might be that we're helping them by taking more things off their plates, but what you're doing is taking control away from people who actually have face-to-face interaction with the veterans, the clients, and are now being represented by people who don't care.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Thank you, Mr. Casey.

Thank you, Mr. Banks.

Mr. Desilets, you have the floor for six minutes.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Ms. Gauthier, if I'm not mistaken, you are paraplegic.

How long have you been waiting to have a platform lift at home?

5:25 p.m.

Corporal (Retired), As an Individual

Christine Gauthier

It's been five years.

Actually, this is an equipment renewal. This would be the third platform lift I've received. According to the VAC system, equipment replacement only occurs on renewals.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

You said earlier that you had to fill out the same paperwork every year. Is this an example of that?

5:25 p.m.

Corporal (Retired), As an Individual

Christine Gauthier

It's a glaring example of that.

Right now, I have to crawl up and down the stairs to get in and out of my home.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Okay. How long have you been waiting for a new platform lift?

5:25 p.m.

Corporal (Retired), As an Individual

Christine Gauthier

It's been five years.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

You haven't had a platform for five years?

5:25 p.m.

Corporal (Retired), As an Individual

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Okay.

5:25 p.m.

Corporal (Retired), As an Individual

Christine Gauthier

We submitted our initial request five years ago. In December 2020, the project was approved, but the subcontractor VAC sent to my home decided to do it in an unsuitable spot. We went back to the department and informed them that the spot they had chosen wasn't suitable. We contacted the department again to inform them that it was an unsuitable spot and that it should installed in the back instead. The Veterans Affairs occupational therapist decided to start the project over again.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

I believe you have had one or more case managers come to your home, right?

5:25 p.m.

Corporal (Retired), As an Individual

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

How long has this service been gone?