House of Commons Hansard #109 of the 35th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was farmers.

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5:45 p.m.

Reform

Jake Hoeppner Reform Lisgar—Marquette, MB

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure for me to address this bill as a politician and also as a farmer. I appreciated the comments of the last two hon. members because as a farmer I am a little hard of hearing. Finally I could understand the debate and it made my day a little

happier. I do not want to comment on the remarks. I do not know how valuable they were but I could understand them.

When the bill was first proposed to the House we were briefed on it. I found it almost unbelievable that a new government would pick up on a suggestion that more or less was put to us by the previous government under Prime Minister Kim Campbell to reorganize this department. I felt that the bill would have at least contained some improvements to make the department more efficient or in some way give the Department of Agriculture a stronger voice in the House. I do not see anything of that. That is the point I would like to raise at this time.

If I as a farmer had not reorganized every year before I put the crop in, if I had not updated my machinery or improved my seed varieties, I do not think I could have survived. If I had gone out and purchased a different machine in a different colour and it had no more performance and did not do the job any better, although I had just spent a bunch of money, my neighbours would have thought me a little queer and I am sure I would not have survived very long.

The government reminds me a little of the first self-propelled combine I owned. It had all the parts. It looked like a beautiful machine. I was so proud of that machine I was just dreaming of the day I could take it into the fields. By coincidence that machine was a faded red colour.

When I started up that machine there was noise. Boy, it really performed out in the yard. I said: "If this machine works like this in the fields I will get my crops off in half the time". However that is about where my joy ended.

When I put the combine in the field and pulled into the swath there were noises; loose chains, loose bearings, walkers banging. The worst part was that the cylinder was out of balance.

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An hon. member

It sounds like a Liberal combine.

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Reform

Jake Hoeppner Reform Lisgar—Marquette, MB

Let me get to it. I am trying to get there. This was a tremendous experience. My hair stood on end. I was furious that I had been really duped into buying this machine. When that cylinder got some straw in it, it bounced around and almost left the ground. What were the results of this? I got very little work done all day.

It reminds me of this Liberal government. I have heard noises. I have heard: "Boy, we are going to do something for agriculture". Boy, we have accomplished very little. That cylinder I see in front, which I call the cabinet for comparison, I hear one member say "cut", the other one says "spend" and the agriculture minister says: "Hold it members. Let us not do too much. We could be accused of doing something".

I was a little enthused the other night when all of a sudden I saw one of the standing committee members on that side making amendments that would make this bill of some value. He tried to balance that cylinder so it would run a little smoother. What did the majority of the members do? They shot him down, 90 per cent. The Bloc agreed and the Reform agreed. Finally we had an amendment that would have made this bill of some value.

What was the result of this? It was the same as with my combine. I got very little done. We have been two days on this bill and we still have not passed it.

It amazes me that people do not realize that when you put in a long day and only get little done the fuel tank still gets emptied. That is all we have received out of this debate so far. We have an empty fuel tank and when that happens we are going to be in big trouble.

Grain that should be in the bin is not in the bin. Grain that should be in the tank is mostly chaff and straw. It has no substance. Why do we pass bills like this when we should be talking about problems like provincial trade barriers and value added? Instead we are talking about building swimming pools and maybe adding a sports arena somewhere. We are forgetting that we may be hungry some day. Why are we even going through the motions here?

I would like to compare the tremendous amount of effort we have put into this bill to my tremendously efficient combine that went so slow that when I turned the corner I was usually lost in the dust and I could not find the next swath. People around me wondered if there was a driver in the machine. I get the same impression from this Liberal government. When we as a standing committee make suggestions to the government they just get shot down or forgotten. Ask me why.

When we told the agriculture minister to stop the back-tracking and change the car allocation system, what did the government do? This was recommended by every member on that standing committee. The government did nothing. Is the Liberal government running this by remote control? Are the railways, or the grain companies or the unions running the government? Who is running it? Sometimes I wonder.

This bill reminds me of a lot of other bills. When we should have been addressing problems what did we do? We did the same thing as that old, faded out red combine did for me. It put the grain over the walkers back on to the ground and we are going to see it sprout and be ruined.

That is what Parliament has done as far as agriculture is concerned. It makes me wonder when I see a bill which contains a clause like clause 6 which says that the agriculture minister can appoint any person to inspect any product, to control any act that he has anything to do with.

I will tell members why that bothers me. The government previous to this government and the agriculture minister tied the hands of the customs and revenue people and allowed unlicensed grain into the country. He set at risk the quality of our wheat. He set at risk the reputation that farmers had built up of growing a superior quality of grain. Not that he listened to farmers, he listened to a few individuals or self-interest groups.

This agriculture minister is going after illegal exports of grain, for which I must commend him, but why does he not prosecute those farmers under the wheat board act? Why does he have to enlist customs and revenue when they have nothing to do with it? Customs and revenue are there to prevent imports, not exports.

This is the type of bill I will not support. That is why I think clause 6 should not be in the bill.

I see I have taken my 10 minutes or so. I always like to end on a positive note. There is hope. One of these days we will have a green machine on that side. Then as farmers we will say when we see a green machine on the fields, it runs like a deer and we will see a government that runs slick, smooth and swift and we will get things done.

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Roger Simmons Liberal Burin—St. George's, NL

Mr. Speaker, I say to the member for Lisgar-Marquette that I thought the story of the combine was absolutely fantastic. However he missed the essential point. He should have told us why the operator, to wit himself, was punishing through with that kind of machinery. Why would he not do what we are doing with this bill? The time comes to refurbish, to trade your equipment in or at least refurbish it instead of trying to punish it out in the field with very low production. That is what this bill is all about.

The member for Lisgar-Marquette said something else and I wrote it down. I will probably get it framed. I want the House to realize, all my friends to realize-

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

John Nunziata Liberal York South—Weston, ON

Friends, which friends?

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An hon. member

I'm his friend.

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6 p.m.

Liberal

Roger Simmons Liberal Burin—St. George's, NL

Are they ready for this now? Even the member for York South-Weston will appreciate this one, I am sure. The gentleman from Lisgar-Marquette said something just now that has to be absolutely historical. He sits with the group that said: "We are not politicians. We are going down there to get them politicians". He started his speech today beautifully. I commend him as a politician and as a farmer. Welcome to the real world.

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6 p.m.

Reform

Elwin Hermanson Reform Kindersley—Lloydminster, SK

An honest politician.

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Liberal

Roger Simmons Liberal Burin—St. George's, NL

Now the member for Kindersley-Lloydminster wants to qualify it. There is only one kind of politician. Either he is a politician or not a politician. He should stop apologizing for it.

If we had the time-we certainly have the audience; there is no question about that-I would tell the House about agriculture in Newfoundland. There the combines do not break down. They are all green. Roadrunners, almost.

You will be interested to know, Mr. Speaker, in the very short time I have at my disposal that in my riding alone we have quite a diversity of farm activity.

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6 p.m.

Reform

Jay Hill Reform Prince George—Peace River, BC

Better green than red.

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6 p.m.

Liberal

Roger Simmons Liberal Burin—St. George's, NL

Only yesterday I was musing with my friend here about how times have changed. This crowd came to Ottawa not to heckle. They were going to be pipsqueak quiet all the time. It is beautiful; I am feeling more at home with this crowd. I might join this crowd.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh.

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Liberal

Roger Simmons Liberal Burin—St. George's, NL

I say to my friend from Winnipeg South that the idea of being the first Reform cabinet minister of Newfoundland and having my own clothing allowance had its appeal, but I said no. I said it was a good opener but it was not enough. I asked what else they had. It is a question of time.

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6 p.m.

Reform

Jack Ramsay Reform Crowfoot, AB

At least we do not put our helmet on backwards, Roger.

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Liberal

Reg Alcock Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

At least we wear one.

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Liberal

Roger Simmons Liberal Burin—St. George's, NL

That is his sin. That is the Prime Minister's sin, I say to the gentleman from Crowfoot. Is that a terrible sin? Is that a terrible gaff? Imagine, the member for Crowfoot has gone right to the nub of the issue. Some people, no matter how many helmets they put on or which way, would not protect anything important.

We can change the name of the department and the sooner we do it the better.

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The Deputy Speaker

Is the House ready for the question?

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Some hon. members

Question.

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6 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker

The question is the following one. Mr. Robichaud for Mr. Goodale, seconded by Mr. Chan, moved that Bill C-49, an act to establish the Department of Citizenship and Immigration-

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6 p.m.

Reform

Leon Benoit Reform Vegreville, AB

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. In the din I did not hear the speaker ask for the next presenter this evening and I was prepared to give a presentation on Bill C-49.

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6:05 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker

There was a mistake in the form and I read the wrong bill. I asked if the House was ready for the question and I do not think I heard anybody say no.

Is the member indicating, and we always take a member's word on these matters, that he could not hear and generally wished to say that the House was not ready for the question?

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6:05 p.m.

Reform

Leon Benoit Reform Vegreville, AB

Yes, that is right, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Chair will always take a member's word on that. The hon. member for Vegreville.

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6:05 p.m.

Reform

Leon Benoit Reform Vegreville, AB

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that very much.

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The Deputy Speaker

It seems to me the member has already spoken in this debate. Am I not correct?