House of Commons Hansard #44 of the 35th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was riding.

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Privilege

10 a.m.

The Speaker

Yesterday the hon. member for Markham-Whitchurch-Stouffville rose in the House to address the question of personal privilege which he previously raised on February 15 and subsequently withdrew. The hon. member claimed, at that time, that his ability to function as a member of Parliament had been impeded. He shared with the House a series of events relating to his academic credentials and qualifications, comments made about him by the media, as well as a threat by an anonymous telephone caller.

Let me begin my ruling by defining for the House just what constitutes parliamentary privilege. Erskine May in Parliamentary Practice , 21st Edition, page 69, defines privilege as:

-The sum of the peculiar rights enjoyed by each House collectively- and by Members of each House individually, without which they could not discharge their functions, and which exceed those possessed by other bodies or individuals. Thus privilege, though part of the law of the land, is to a certain extent an exemption from the general law. Certain rights and immunities such as freedom from arrest or freedom of speech belong primarily to individual Members of each House and exist because the House cannot perform its functions without unimpeded use of the services of its Members-.

When any of these rights and immunities is disregarded or attacked, the offence is called a breach of privilege and is punishable under the law of Parliament.

Pursuant to our practice and convention, when the Speaker rules on a matter of privilege all that is being decided is whether the facts and evidence laid before the House are, in a prima facie case, sufficient to allow the usual motion to be proposed and debated over all other business leading to a decision of the House thereon. This is clearly explained in Beauchesne 6th Edition, citation 26:

(2) A question of privilege- is a question partly of fact and partly of law-the law of contempt of Parliament-and is a matter for the House to determine. The decision of the House on a question of privilege, like every other matter which the House has to decide, can be elicited only by a question put from the Chair by the Speaker and resolved either in the affirmative or in the negative, and this question is necessarily founded on a motion made by a Member.

(3) It follows that though the Speaker can rule on a question of order, the Speaker cannot rule on a question of privilege. When a question of privilege is raised the Speaker's function is limited to deciding whether the matter is of such a character as to entitle the motion, which the Member who has raised the question desires to move, to priority over the Orders of the Day.

In other words my duty as Speaker is to decide whether the hon. member for Markham-Whitchurch-Stouffville has presented sufficient argument to convince me that debate on his situation should take precedence over all other House business, and that the House should therefore consider the matter immediately.

In coming to my decision on this matter I have reviewed the decisions of many former Speakers.

Speaker Jerome in dealing with a similar case on June 23, 1977 ruled that:

-the protection of an elected person against unwarranted or intemperate publicity, even abuses or defamatory publicity, is precisely that which is enjoyed by every citizen before our courts.

He went on to add that:

As elected people we can and do expect to be the targets of attack. When those attacks seem offensive I think it is appropriate the Hon. Member is offered the courtesy of the House to extend to his hon. colleagues an explanation of the circumstances.

He concluded that:

-when these matters do take place, if they go beyond the point of being offensive to the point of being defamatory in a legal sense, certainly members ought to and will I am sure pursue matters through the courts.

Speaker Jerome ruled there was no prima facie privilege in that instance.

A further case was raised on September 19, 1973. At that time the member for High Park-Humber Valley stated that he had received anonymous telephone calls warning him to cease raising questions on a certain subject. He suggested these calls amounted to attempts to intimidate him and prevent him from carrying out his duties as a member.

Speaker Lamoureux in ruling on the matter stated the following:

The House will appreciate there is some difficulty in finding a prima facie case of privilege in circumstances where no charge has been made and there has been no suggestion in the House of any irregularity or impropriety. There is really nothing for the House or one of its committees to consider under the heading of privilege.

He further stated:

I am sure the hon. member for High Park-Humber Valley does not suggest that his conduct should be sent to the committee for consideration or investigation by it.

-The hon. member has indicated what the facts of the situation are- I suggest that nothing at all would be gained by having a debate, either in the House or in a committee, on the matter raised by the hon. member for High Park-Humber Valley.

To return to the present case, I have carefully reviewed the statement made by the hon. member for Markam-Whitchurch-Stouffville. Threats of blackmail or intimidation of a member of Parliament should never be taken lightly. When such occurs, the very essence of free speech is undermined. Without the guarantee of freedom of speech, no member of Parliament can do his duty as is expected.

While the Chair does not in any way make light of the specifics that have been raised by the hon. member for Markham-Whitchurch-Stouffville, I cannot, however, say that he has sufficiently demonstrated that a case of intimidation exists such that his ability to function as a member of Parliament has been impeded. I cannot therefore find prima facie privilege at this time.

Government Response To PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Kingston and the Islands Ontario

Liberal

Peter Milliken LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the government's response to five petitions.

Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Warren Allmand Liberal Notre-Dame-De-Grâce, QC

Madam Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the second report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Pursuant to the order of reference, on Monday, February 14, 1994, your committee has considered Bill C-8, an act to amend the Criminal Code and the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act (force), and your committee has agreed to report the bill without amendment.

Divorce ActRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Beryl Gaffney Liberal Nepean, ON

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-231, an act to amend the Divorce Act (granting of access to, or custody of, a child to a grandparent).

Madam Speaker, the motion is very simple. The bill that I am presenting today would amend the Divorce Act to grant access to grandchildren for grandparents upon divorce.

Often times in our society when families are torn apart in a divorce it is the children who are hurt the most and require someone who can help them put their world back together.

Grandparents are a prime source of the financial and emotional assistance children need during this time in their lives. The bill will remove the obstacles which sometimes arise in a divorce that prevents grandparents from offering these resources to their grandchildren.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed.)

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Warren Allmand Liberal Notre-Dame-De-Grâce, QC

Madam Speaker, I am presenting a petition signed by 100,000 Canadians. It is part of a 200,000 name petition that asks Parliament to ban the private ownership of handguns.

This petition was launched by Concordia University after four of its professors were murdered in 1992 with an easily obtained handgun.

The petition has been endorsed by 200 broadly based organizations, including the police, which come from all across Canada.

In the petition they state that the rights of society associated with the possession of handguns far outweigh any potential benefits derived from their possession.

This is a petition asking Parliament to ban the possession of handguns for private purposes.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Bloc

Pierrette Venne Bloc Saint-Hubert, QC

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am presenting a petition from all parts of Canada dealing with gun control, especially the banning of handguns for individuals.

This petition is further to the one from the hon. member for Notre-Dame-de-Grâce and is from the same source, namely Concordia University.

This petition also has 100,000 signatures and is for the same purpose, namely to ask the government to pass legislation forbidding anyone in Canadian territory to own a handgun, except for members of the Canadian Forces and peace officers in the performance of their duties.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Ted McWhinney Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Madam Speaker, on the anniversary of Greek independence, I have the honour to present a petition signed by 1,200 Canadian citizens of Greek ancestry from the Vancouver region.

They ask that the government refrain from recognizing the republic of Skopje within the former communist federal state of Yugoslavia until such time as it guarantees to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of existing states as established in the treaty of Bucharest of 1913 and the World War I and World War II peace treaties.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Kingston and the Islands Ontario

Liberal

Peter Milliken LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I would ask that all questions be allowed to stand.

Also, due to a misunderstanding the minister for heritage was unavoidably detained and arrived late for the tabling of documents and statements by ministers. I am wondering if the House would give its consent to revert to tabling of documents and then to statements by ministers to allow the minister to make a statement.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

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The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu)

Shall all questions stand?

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu)

We are returning to statements by ministers.

Parks CanadaRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Laval West Québec

Liberal

Michel Dupuy LiberalMinister of Canadian Heritage

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), I have the honour to present to the House, in both official languages, the report entitled "Guiding Principles and Operational Policies for Parks Canada".

Following the tabling of this document, I will make a ministerial statement to inform members of this House of the government's vision regarding the future of national parks and historic sites, as well as the promotion and development of our identity and national heritage.

Madam Speaker, this is a special day for all Canadians. With the tabling of the Parks Canada "Guiding Principles and Operating Policies", yet another step is taken in entrenching and securing the national heritage of Canada.

It is a rare day in any democracy when a minister can table principles and policies for a nation in the full knowledge that two other colleagues now sitting on the side opposite have participated in their formulation.

I would like to acknowledge the roles played by the Leader of the Opposition, the hon. member for Lac-Saint-Jean, and the hon. member for Sherbrooke, now the leader of the Progressive Conservative Party. To have such a consensus regarding a policy is a rare occurrence indeed.

As Canadians, we value our freedom, our clean environment, the beauty and natural wilderness and the paths of human endeavour which have brought us to where we are today. The sense of wonder and reverence we feel as we learn about past human activities that have laid the foundation of our country stimulate a profound concern for ensuring the survival of historic places, artefacts and structures.

Despite pressures on our environment and on our heritage resources Canadians should be assured that our national parks and national historic sites will be protected and well managed for future generations to enjoy. Our national parks and national historic sites will not be worn down or worn out through overuse or neglect.

Of course since the last policy statement in 1979 there has been a greater sense of urgency in the Canadian public on environmental, ecological and heritage matters. There has been a swell of public sentiment nationally and internationally creat-

ing an expectation of leadership in the care of the environment and preservation of natural and cultural heritage.

According to recent surveys, 90 per cent of Canadians want to have more information about our country's history. The national historic sites and related heritage programs go a long way toward filling this knowledge gap.

Each year, one-third of Canadians travel to participate in heritage activities across the country. Canada's national parks and national historic sites are cornerstones of our domestic and international tourism industry. More than 30,000 jobs are associated with Canada's national parks and historic sites. They make a contribution to our national economy in excess of one billion dollars per year.

Parks Canada, through its application of the principles and policies, will maintain the integrity of natural and cultural heritage, while ensuring that parks and sites continue to play a major role in the local, regional and national economy. It will do this by ensuring that the management decisions affecting these special places are made on sound and scientifically based knowledge.

The programs administered by Parks Canada will continue to have positive impacts on local communities. They will create jobs and assist sustainable land use and ecotourism.

Highlights of the new Parks Canada policy include:

First, an update of the Parks Canada mandate to include its responsibilities for national parks, national historic sites, historic canals, heritage railway stations, Canada's heritage rivers, marine conservation areas and federal heritage buildings;

Second, guiding principles stressing that natural and historic qualities will be maintained, that Canadians will be involved and consulted, and that an orderly framework is provided for the addition of new heritage areas; and

Third, a renewed emphasis placed upon partnership and co-operation with other levels of government, communities and the private sector.

This does not mean shifting the responsibility for preserving and creating Canada's heritage to others. Our history, traditions, and the environment require partnerships for implementation of successful heritage programs and, ultimately, a stronger leadership role for Parks Canada, nationally and internationally, that will demonstrate and advocate environmental and heritage ethics and practices.

National parks and national historic sites are symbols of the Canadian identity and make all Canadians proud. In fact, I am making this speech in what is designated as one of Canada's national historic sites. And next to the Parliament buildings is one of the ends of the Rideau Canal, one of Canada's heritage waterways, administered by Parks Canada and subject to these new policies.

On that positive note I conclude my remarks on the Parks Canada guiding principles and operating policies.

Parks CanadaRoutine Proceedings

10:25 a.m.

Bloc

Suzanne Tremblay Bloc Rimouski—Témiscouata, QC

Madam Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity, as we debate Parks Canada "Guiding Principles and Operating Policies" tabled today in this House, to reaffirm that the Bloc Quebecois will spare no effort to ensure that the beauty of Quebec's and Canada's wilderness is preserved.

The minister was so kind as to remind the people of Quebec and Canada what a key, positive role the Leader of the Opposition has played in protecting our national heritage, and I thank him for that.

But the minister is no doubt aware that the Bloc Quebecois does not intend to just stand by if the government is remiss in preserving the cultural heritage of Quebec and Canada. I am convinced that, now more than ever, he knows that the Bloc Quebecois will be every bit as vigilant with respect to natural heritage.

When the Leader of the Opposition was minister of the environment, he stated and I quote: "One of the areas in which the department is involved that I always find rewarding is the parks system. Parks Canada represents such beauty and positive things and is such a success that it is always encourages me to carry out my duties. It is one of Canada's greatest achievements, one which is recognized throughout the world. People must realize that our parks system is not only a beautiful sight for us. Other countries envy our national parks system".

In fact, Canada with its parks system is considered as a leader by conservation agencies world-wide. It is fitting for Parks Canada to be a source of inspiration for all future Canadian environmental policies.

The Bloc Quebecois will make sure that the government fulfils its commitment to implement the concept of sustainable development, as stated in the final report of the World Commission on Environment and Development, the Brundtland Report, entitled "Our Common Future".

It should be pointed out that, based on the concept of sustainable development, economic development must be compatible with the long-term preservation of unmanaged ecosystems and survival processes. In Quebec and Canada, we have known for over a century that this wilderness must be preserved, not only for its unmistakable aesthetic beauty, but also because of the causal relationship to be made between what we do in that area and the benefits to be derived in terms of the environment.

We therefore had to reconcile tourism and economic development with environmental protection. Parks must be developed to create jobs in tourism, of course, but never at the expense of future generations.

As you know, there is still a lot to do. The national park network must be completed. Canada's 39 ecoregions attest to its riches and diversity. It would therefore be advisable to establish a park representing every ecoregion.

We will improve and extend the national park network and pay particular attention to the protection of the Arctic environment. As you know, some planned park sites in the Arctic had to be given up because of mining concessions. We must take environmental repercussions into account every time a government project or program is undertaken.

Thousands of jobs are tied to the preservation of this natural heritage. We must also ensure that these sites are impeccably managed, that expenditures are justified, and that includes official residences, of course.

Finally, we emphasize the minister's commitment regarding partnership and co-operation with other levels of government. As he probably knows, Quebec did not get its fair share of national parks. The government must step up its efforts to give Quebec its fair share while respecting its prerogatives and priorities.

The government must resolve all jurisdictional conflicts by co-operating with Quebec, the other provinces and the territories, particularly by taking into account the concerns of local communities. It must seek the direct involvement of Natives when it is needed.

In closing, regarding Parks Canada's updated mandate, may I remind you that the Bloc Quebecois is happy that the mandate has been updated and that the ten guidelines on protecting our historic and natural heritage are being tabled today. We will, of course, examine this document carefully.

Finally, let us recall that this work was undertaken at the Department of the Environment under the leadership of the Opposition Leader when he was minister. He put his stamp of quality on it. His successor only has to follow in his footsteps.

Parks CanadaRoutine Proceedings

10:30 a.m.

Reform

Sharon Hayes Reform Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Madam Speaker, I too would like to congratulate the hon. Minister of Canadian Heritage on his presentation of the Parks Canada guiding principles and operating policies. It is a result of a much needed process. We agree that with the stress on the preservation of the natural and cultural heritage and the care of our environment, it is now of all times crucial to Canada to have fresh insight into our identity and our vision as a country. This indeed will be inspired by a fresh appreciation of our lands and the recognition of the importance of exploring and developing, renewing and conserving our natural resources and the physical environment.

Any discussion of the management and preservation of our natural heritage though leads us to the complex relationship of the healthy environment and the human activity that must go around that relationship. Federal leadership is necessary in the integration of the economic, the human and the environmental factors.

I suggest three considerations should be kept in mind: First, the development of the ideas and the directions of this proposal must be a balanced approach with equal weight in any decision given to the economic, the social and the technical considerations. Second, the operational and management decisions of any mandate should be based on sound management philosophies, structures, procedures and planning. Third, the very great importance of communication and partnership with any mandate with all provincial governments equally, with private industry, with educational institutions and the public itself to maximize the benefits to all of these.

Parks Canada now has a mandate that should be an example of environmental stewardship and of economic stewardship both nationally and internationally because as we seek to serve all Canadian taxpayers, we need wise management. Those Canadians are wage earners and consumers, therefore we need consideration for jobs and resource management. Those Canadians are citizens of a proud country that has been blessed with a rich heritage and with amazing beauty.

Parks CanadaRoutine Proceedings

10:35 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu)

I wish to inform the House that pursuant to Standing Order 33(2)(b), because of the ministerial statement Government Orders will be extended by 14 minutes.

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

March 24th, 1994 / 10:35 a.m.

Beauséjour New Brunswick

Liberal

Fernand Robichaud LiberalSecretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs)

moved:

That in relation to Bill C-18, an Act to suspend the operation of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of the second reading stage of the bill and, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for government business on the allotted day of the second reading consideration of the said bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and in turn every question necessary for the disposal of the second reading stage of the bill shall be put forthwith and successively without further debate or amendment.

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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Reform

Elwin Hermanson Reform Kindersley—Lloydminster, SK

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. to make a request of the Chair and to make a comment.

This House has been recognized as being one without precedent by the fact that there are two new parties and 200 new members in this House. In light of time allocation being imposed upon this House, the reputation of all members is at stake.

The vote on second reading of Bill C-18, an act to suspend the operation of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, is being restricted and, therefore, it will reflect-

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu)

I am sorry. I do not feel that is a point of order.

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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Reform

Elwin Hermanson Reform Kindersley—Lloydminster, SK

Madam Speaker, I was in the process of trying to lay some foundation for a request I would like to make to the Chair. Do I not have-

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu)

I am afraid you were in the process of debate, sir. Would you please get to your point.

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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Some hon. members

Put the question.

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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The Acting Speaker (Mrs. Maheu)

A motion has been moved and I am obliged to put the question to the House. This is not a debatable motion.

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Suspension Act, 1994Government Orders

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Some hon. members

No.