House of Commons Hansard #251 of the 35th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was magazines.

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Liberal

Brenda Chamberlain Liberal Guelph—Wellington, ON

Mr. Speaker, Bill C-103 is a cultural policy measure designed to assist in the development of the Canadian magazine industry. It is one of many federal government's efforts to foster conditions under which Canada's artists and creators can continue to express themselves and give Canadians and the world a sense of our identity as a country, an identity which has been enhanced by the events of the past week.

By culture I mean the creators, producers and distributors of films and videos, books and magazines, as well as broadcasting,

the performing and visual arts, design and the vast array of heritage institutions across the country.

While I use the term cultural policy in the singular, Canada does not have a single policy respecting culture. Rather, a series of policy directions has been pursued by federal governments throughout time. In this sense cultural policy has been wrought by governments of the past and present based on a rationale which has remained relevant since the beginning.

The rationale for the state's involvement in the cultural sector in Canada is important to understand because it is more valid today than it was in the 1920s when it was for the very first time expressed. This rationale is made up of essentially two philosophies.

The first is that a cultural product that is work of artistic expression in any form is a good that cannot be treated in the same fashion a hammer, a nail or a widget. Why? Because a cultural product, unlike a widget or a gismo, transmits a set of values rooted in the society in which the artist who created it lives. The product of an artist's expression often acts as a mirror into which society can look for greater understanding of its sense of identity as an organized social group. It allows a society to distinguish itself from others on the planet. It defines and transmits that identity which is unique.

Canada and most other industrialized countries have actively pursued some form of cultural policy which seeks to encourage our own native cultural expression.

The number and range of magazines reflect the concerns and tastes of Canadians. All regions and most large metropolitan areas boast their own magazines. There is a Canadian periodical to serve almost every interest group, economic, professional, artistic, educational, religious or recreational.

Magazines let their readers see behind the scenes of business and politics. They increase national understanding of regional issues and translate national issues into meaningful regional terms. They exalt Canadian accomplishments, profile the great and the small, as well as Canadians who at home and abroad make a difference in our everyday lives.

The second premise on which state involvement in the cultural sector in Canada is based is that in order to produce cultural works, a domestic market of a size that will allow costs to be recouped is a requirement.

The Canadian market, split along language and regionally fragmented, has never been large enough to sustain on its own a healthy cultural industry sector. This has been made more difficult by the overwhelming presence of foreign cultural product, first British and French and then American in our domestic markets. Hence early on Canadian public policy focused on supplementing the domestic market's internal capacity to generate revenues with the financial and institutional tools required to ensure minimum choice of Canadian cultural works alongside the overwhelming presence of foreign ones.

These two premises, the intrinsic merit of a cultural product in transmitting identity and the inability of the Canadian market to generate economically viable cultural enterprises, prompted the Government of Canada to develop policy tools to assist the cultural industries.

The tax measure we have before us today updates a longstanding policy of successive governments which recognizes the unique circumstances faced by Canadian magazines.

The policy implemented in 1965 introduced two measures to assist Canadian magazines in competing for advertising revenues, revenues which are essential to the industry's survival. These measures were section 19 of the Income Tax Act and tariff code 9958. Bill C-103 maintains this policy put in place over 30 years ago.

Tariff code 9958 restricts the importation of magazines containing advertisements directed at Canadians. It authorizes Canada Customs to stop the entry into Canada of the subsequent four issues of a magazine after the publication of an issue that has been deemed split run. Before this measure was introduced virtually all foreign magazines containing advertisements directed at Canadians would have been printed in the country of origin and imported into Canada for distribution.

The publication of Sports Illustrated Canada has sent a signal that it now is possible to contravene the spirit of tariff code 9958 by means of technology which was not in existence when the code was implemented. Sports Illustrated Canada is a split run edition printed in Canada using text that is electronically transmitted from the USA. The editorial content of Sports Illustrated Canada is to a large extent the same as the content in the U.S. editions but it contains advertisements that have been specifically purchased to reach a Canadian audience.

Tariff Code 9958 is not applicable to Sports Illustrated Canada because it is printed in Canada rather than being imported. This case illustrated the limitations of Canada's existing policy instruments designed to support the Canadian magazine industry.

Consequently a task force on the Canadian magazine industry was set up to examine the problem of split run editions and to recommend new ways to promote Canada's policy objectives for the magazine industry.

Concerning amendments to the Excise Tax Act, the task force issued its final report in March 1994. Its main recommendation was that an excise tax be imposed on split run editions of periodicals.

The tax is designed to encourage original editorial content in magazines containing advertisement directed primarily at Canadians. It will impose a tax of 80 per cent of the value of all of the

advertisements contained in split run editions of magazines circulating in Canada.

This measure encourages Canadian advertisers to place advertisements in magazines which have original content. It underscores the government's longstanding policy objectives in a manner which is consistent with our international trade obligations.

Section 19 of the Income Tax Act allows deductions for advertising directed at the Canadian market, only if the advertising is placed in Canadian issues of Canadian owned and Canadian controlled magazines.

The amendment to the Income Tax Act will add an anti-avoidance rule to section 19. The purpose of the anti-avoidance rule is to ensure that newspapers and periodicals which profess to be Canadian are in fact controlled by Canadians.

In conclusion, the government is concerned with creating policies conducive to the growth of the cultural sector. Readers are essential for magazines to prosper. So too are the other major clients of a magazine, the businesses and organizations which advertise their products and services.

Access to Canadian advertising dollars is critical to ensure the economic viability and continued existence of the Canadian magazine industry. Advertising revenues support the cost of the editorial content and make it possible for the publisher to provide the magazine at rates the reader can afford. Therefore, we must not allow split run editions to siphon off Canadian advertising dollars. We must ensure the passage of Bill C-103.

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Liberal

Don Boudria Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to have the opportunity this afternoon to speak on Bill C-103. I believe I will be one of the last speakers on the bill.

This is a symbolic time to be dealing with Bill C-103.

In fact, the bill we are debating this afternoon deals with Canadian culture and ways of preserving it. I know that some members opposite-and I am directing my remarks to Reformers in particular today-have it that certain Canadian cultural industries for example do not need any additional protection.

I have spoken about this before in the House, both generally and more specifically. At a Canada-U.S. interparliamentary group meeting, a United States congressman indicated that the motion picture industry in Hollywood and elsewhere was a bit upset with Canadians because we had what they believed to be rather restrictive policies in that sector.

I believe it was the former hon. member for Annapolis Valley-Hants, Patrick Nowlan, who responded to the congressman. He said: "How would you feel if in your country 97 per cent of all the films were produced in another country and you could watch television for a day or movies for a whole weekend and never once see a scene from your country? How long would you put up with it?" The congressman said: "I guess you have a point".

The measures we were using at that time were in reference to another cultural industry, but they made the same point which is the fact that immediately to the south of us is a cultural giant. It is not a matter of our saying that our cultural industries, magazine publishers and so on are not competitive. It has absolutely nothing to do with that. It has to do with being overwhelmed by the giant to the south of us.

My hon. colleague from the riding of Halton-Peel is an artist who has participated as an actor and performer in a number of productions. I do not say this disrespectfully, but the member for Halton-Peel surely knows a lot more about these kinds of issues than do many members of the Reform Party across the way. I am sure he would agree on the importance of protecting Canada's cultural industries.

I think there is something else, in the sense that some members of the Reform Party tend to give the impression that the cultural industry belongs exclusively to a kind of elite instead of belonging to everyone in our society. That is totally wrong. These people are trying to convey that idea, and I think that it does not reflect the Canadian reality.

Poetry, magazines, television programs, and music-how can I forget music-are all part of the Canadian culture, and in each of these areas there is a Canadian cultural industry, or at least a potential industry.

Today, we are debating this issue of periodicals, magazines published or produced in another country, electronically transmitted to Canada and duplicated in Canada in an attempt to circumvent Canadian legislation. Reformers say that cultural industries can do like other Canadian industries and operate without anything to protect them in case they have to compete with foreign products.

I see it this way. The members of the Reform Party are looking at the cultural industries as if we were strictly discussing a commercial product, in other words, whether or not someone can produce a hammer in Canada cheaper than in the United States. That is not the issue. South of the border there is such immense potential for news and for drawing advertising. There is absolutely no parallel in Canada. The economy of scale in those kinds of industries operate

very differently from what they do in other areas of human endeavour.

Members across the way just will not hear that kind of a proposition. They should because if ever there was a time in the history of this country where we should all rally around those instruments of Canadian culture that could bind us together, surely it is today. Surely today of all days we should be reminding ourselves of the necessity for keeping those instruments which enhance, highlight and make people aware of that which makes us different from other nations and which makes us Canadian.

It could be books. We have a number of very good Canadian authors. There are a number of very good publishing houses in Canada, many of them small. As a colleague reminded us a while ago, some of these small publishing companies have been assisted by what is commonly referred to as the postal subsidy. It has assisted small publishing companies in putting out very excellent works by Canadian authors. What is wrong with that? Why will members of the Reform Party not see that those things are important and especially important today of all days? They do not understand any of that.

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Reform

Jack Ramsay Reform Crowfoot, AB

We are not socialist.

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Liberal

Don Boudria Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have been called many things but not often have I been called a socialist. Reform Party cultural gurus across the way are now accusing me of being a socialist. I find it a little ironic, particularly in view of what has been said by Reform Party members in the past about Canadian cultural industries and how they should be promoted by the Government of Canada.

I have the little green book of the Reform Party. I am trying feverishly to find a page which refers to the Canadian cultural industries. Perhaps I will a little later.

Some people in the Reform Party are now saying that promoting Canadian culture is somehow tantamount to socialism, and they are repeating it now. I do not think it is a particularly nice thing to say about their leader. He said the same thing not long ago. I have it in the little green book. I will defend the leader of the Reform Party against those vicious attacks from the backbenchers any time. His backbenchers need to be reminded to be more respectful of the hon. member from Calgary, the leader of that party. The leader of the Reform Party needs all the help he can get. Shall we say he is in a pretty tough spot.

I would like this House to know that today, we should all support cultural initiatives, any initiative designed to promote Canadian culture. The Canadian book and magazine publishing industry is certainly one that deserves the support of this House.

Other countries are not at all shy about supporting their cultural industries. Anyone who has ever visited France and who has seen the amount of effort put into promoting and preserving heritage sites, promoting culture, promoting art and so on, would know a tremendous sector of that nation lives from that alone. That is not true of that country alone, although in terms of western societies it is probably the country with more in the way of art and promoting those fields of human endeavour than any other.

We could take other examples. I am told the largest museum in the world is in Russia, in St. Petersburg I believe. That country has a very different kind of regime, one opposite to the country I was talking about previously, but it also saw fit to protect some of its cultural goods and property.

The Smithsonian Institute is another example of that, certainly not located in a socialist country. It is located in a country that is very different.

I want to end with the following immortal words: "The Reform Party supports the responsibility of the state to promote, preserve and enhance the national culture. The state may assist and should encourage ethnic culture to integrate into the national culture". I do not know if I agree with that part but in any case that is the quotation from no less than the leader of the Reform Party, who has just been accused of being a socialist by his own backbenchers.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

Is the House ready for the question?

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Some hon. members

Question.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

The question is on Motion No. 4. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Some hon. members

No.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

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Some hon. members

Yea.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

All those opposed will please say nay.

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Some hon. members

Nay.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

In my opinion the nays have it.

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Some hon. members

On division.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

Motion No. 4 is negatived on division.

(Motion No. 4 negatived.)

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Western Arctic Northwest Territories

Liberal

Ethel Blondin-Andrew Liberalfor the Minister of Finance

moved that the bill, as amended, be concurred in.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Some hon. members

No.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

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Some hon. members

Yea.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

All those opposed will please say nay.

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Some hon. members

Nay.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

In my opinion the yeas have it.

And more than five members having risen: