House of Commons Hansard #162 of the 35th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was budget.

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The BudgetOral Question Period

2:35 p.m.

Winnipeg South Centre Manitoba

Liberal

Lloyd Axworthy LiberalMinister of Human Resources Development and Minister of Western Economic Diversification

Mr. Speaker, I do not know how the hon. member arrived at that conclusion because what we are proposing to do is eliminate many of the old programs that were under the Canadian job strategy which no longer are relevant to the kind of situation we face.

By consolidating our existing resources into one human investment we can then sit down with the provinces, as we are doing now on issues of child care and literacy, and work out new partnerships and new arrangements with the provinces, the municipalities and private sector partners. It gives us the flexibility we need to now engage in a new generation of social programming that really fits both the reality and the changed circumstances the country finds itself in.

That is the same kind of flexibility we are achieving through the new form of Canada's social transfer. We are also achieving this by putting up a new form of funding resource in our own department so that we can undertake those kinds of partnerships I just outlined.

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:35 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Kamouraska—Rivière-Du-Loup, QC

Mr. Speaker, will the minister also admit that the human resources investment fund goes in the opposite direction of where Quebec wants to go regarding job training, since, instead of withdrawing from this sector, the federal government plans to infringe more and more on Quebec's jurisdiction?

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:35 p.m.

Winnipeg South Centre Manitoba

Liberal

Lloyd Axworthy LiberalMinister of Human Resources Development and Minister of Western Economic Diversification

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is in some strange vapour today. He is drawing a conclusion that has no basis in any kind of fact. I have just told the hon. member that creating a new kind of investment fund puts us in a position of being able to start with a clean slate to sit down with the provinces and other stakeholders and work out new partnership arrangements.

I would remind the hon. member that we have already tabled with the provinces, including the province of Quebec, offers for serious transfer responsibilities in the area of training and the province of Quebec has not responded in a positive way. Certainly other provinces have and I would issue the invitation again to sit down and we are prepared to turn over responsibility for managing institutional training. I would hope that the hon. member would use his good offices with his colleagues in Quebec to say come back to us with a good offer.

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

March 1st, 1995 / 2:40 p.m.

Reform

Jan Brown Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Canadian Heritage.

Yesterday Tony Manera, the president of the CBC, resigned because the Liberals broke their red book promise for stable multi-year funding to the CBC. Manera says that in the next three years the government plans to cut $120 million more from the CBC than the $45 million that was stated in the budget.

The minister has a secret agenda about the future of the CBC which he has failed to disclose. Why has the minister failed to provide this information to Canadians?

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Laval West Québec

Liberal

Michel Dupuy LiberalMinister of Canadian Heritage

Mr. Speaker, our colleague is out of luck. Her assistant is no better as a researcher than he was as a candidate in Ottawa-Vanier.

The information she put forward is false. The government has given a clear indication of what it will do in the budget and that is to fix the CBC budget for next year. All the rest is invention. Mr. Manera has resigned because of personal reasons.

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Reform

Jan Brown Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, with all due respect to the minister, cheap political shots against an honourable and professional candidate in an election are clearly out of order in this House.

The Department of Canadian Heritage did send a secret document to the president of the CBC confirming its plans to cut the CBC over the next three years. That includes $120 million in the cuts that the minister has failed to report.

How can the minister justify wasting more taxpayers' dollars on another review as stated in the budget plan when according to the president of the CBC the government has already made up its mind?

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Laval West Québec

Liberal

Michel Dupuy LiberalMinister of Canadian Heritage

Mr. Speaker, talking about cheap shots, let me quote the hon. member: "Mr. Manera is not staying to fight. It is an abdication of leadership which means that he is not up to the challenge of developing a blueprint for changing broadcasting".

The only figures that have been passed on by my department to Mr. Manera and the CBC are the figures of the program review. The government established one year of budget for the CBC, the next fiscal year. The other figures amount to 15 to 10 per cent for the next three years. They were contained in the program review of last August.

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Bloc

Suzanne Tremblay Bloc Rimouski—Témiscouata, QC

Mr. Speaker, my question is also for the minister of heritage.Mr. Manera agreed to become president of the CBC after the minister had assured him that there would not be any cuts to the CBC's budget.

Instead of claiming that Mr. Manera resigned for personal reasons, would the minister be honest enough to admit-

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh.

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

The Speaker

Dear colleagues, it must be taken for granted that questions and responses will be honest. I would therefore ask the hon. member to withdraw the expression she used.

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Suzanne Tremblay Bloc Rimouski—Témiscouata, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is not a matter of honesty.

Could the minister admit that this resignation is directly related-

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

The Speaker

I would ask the hon. member to put her question, please.

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Suzanne Tremblay Bloc Rimouski—Témiscouata, QC

Instead of claiming that Mr. Manera resigned for personal reasons, will the minister admit that this resignation is directly related to his failure to honour his commitment as heritage minister not to make further cuts to the CBC's budget?

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Laval West Québec

Liberal

Michel Dupuy LiberalMinister of Canadian Heritage

Mr. Speaker, there is a passage in the Gospel-

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Michel Dupuy Liberal Laval West, QC

-about "whited sepulchres". Only a few weeks ago, our colleague rose in this House, loudly demanding that Mr. Manera resign. Did she undergo a conversion? She is now defending him. Did she undergo a conversion and decide to defend the CBC, this great federalist, national institution?

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear.

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Suzanne Tremblay Bloc Rimouski—Témiscouata, QC

Mr. Speaker, does the heritage minister admit that he is no longer either a friend of the corporation, as he himself claimed, nor, as heritage minister, a friend of cultural organizations and the arts community, whose interests he has been unable to protect, since culture is one of the sectors hardest hit by the federal budget?

Canadian Broadcasting CorporationOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Laval West Québec

Liberal

Michel Dupuy LiberalMinister of Canadian Heritage

Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition referred to the fact that arithmetic is taught in grade school. I am surprised that a former teacher cannot do simple arithmetic and realize that if there is one sector that was not hit hard, it is the cultural sector.

I therefore categorically deny our colleague's allegations and I can reiterate that Mr. Manera did not resign because of the budget. He said so himself in writing. She is in fact questioning the good faith of the former President of the CBC.

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance.

Since Monday's fiscally responsible and fair budget we have heard speculative statements about how the budget impacts on Ontario. After four and a half years, the current premier of Ontario will soon have to do his own accounting to the people of Ontario.

Would the Minister of Finance please clarify how the budget affects Ontario, a province with 37.5 per cent of the nation's population?

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

LaSalle—Émard Québec

Liberal

Paul Martin LiberalMinister of Finance and Minister responsible for the Federal Office of Regional Development-Quebec

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the member for London West for her question because it gives me the opportunity to correct the exaggerated claims being made by the Government of Ontario.

We have gone to great lengths, we have taken great pain within the budget to make sure that it is fair and equitable and does not impact disproportionately on any single region of the country.

Ontario's share of the downsizing of the public service is in line with its share of the national population. We could go one step further. Nearly 161,000 jobs were created in Ontario last year. We are going to maintain this recovery with a good budget so we can create jobs in Ontario at the same level next year. That is why we acted the way we did.

The member has asked me to deal with the facts. Ontario's share of budgetary actions is in the same range as its current share of federal spending and it is actually less than its share of Canada's population. If Bob Rae wants to play politics, he can do it. However, he should stop playing politics with the facts because he will never get re-elected that way.

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:50 p.m.

The Speaker

May I appeal to hon. members once again? All questions put in the House are deemed to be reasonable questions. I believe that all hon. members should have the chance to hear reasonable answers. I would ask please, when questions are put to give enough time for the answer to be given.

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:50 p.m.

Reform

Grant Hill Reform Macleod, AB

Mr. Speaker, today the Prime Minister, when speaking of the budget changes said: "Social programs such as medicare will revert to meeting more basic needs as it did when it was started a half century ago".

What exactly does the Prime Minister mean by basic services?

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:50 p.m.

Hamilton East Ontario

Liberal

Sheila Copps LiberalDeputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Environment

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister means what he said this morning and what he has repeated. He intends to support and maintain a universal, accessible system of health care across the country where treatment is based not on the size of your pocket book but on the serious illness you face.