House of Commons Hansard #45 of the 35th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was nay.

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Employment InsuranceOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Chris Axworthy NDP Saskatoon—Clark's Crossing, SK

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Human Resources Development.

He will know that while in opposition he and his Liberal colleagues opposed Conservative cuts to UI that were not as deep as those they are pushing through the House today. Indeed, the minister's predecessor said the Tory cuts made Margaret Thatcher look like Mother Theresa by comparison.

As the red book committed the Liberals to restore public trust and confidence in government, would the minister tell the House how public trust and confidence in government can possibly be restored with such an about-face on UI?

Employment InsuranceOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Acadie—Bathurst New Brunswick

Liberal

Douglas Young LiberalMinister of Human Resources Development

Mr. Speaker, what is important to recognize in all of this, and I am sure the hon. member is aware of it, is that we have gone through two years of discussions and consultations across the country on the reforms to the employment insurance program. I do not think very many pieces of legislation in the history of this place have been subjected to the same kind of scrutiny.

I do want to say to my hon. colleague that one thing which has been very positive from the exercise has been the tremendous contribution made by members of Parliament who sit on committees and who attend the meetings of those committees.

Presence In GalleryOral Question Period

3 p.m.

The Speaker

I draw the attention of hon. members to the presence in the gallery of Mr. Chen Bangzhu, Minister of Internal Trade of China, and his accompanying party.

Presence In GalleryOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear.

Presence In GalleryOral Question Period

3 p.m.

The Speaker

I also wish to draw the attention of the House to the presence in our gallery of Mr. Serge Poignant, member of the Committee on cultural, family and social affairs of the National Assembly of France and MNA for Loire-Atlantique.

Presence In GalleryOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear.

Government Response To PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3 p.m.

Fundy Royal New Brunswick

Liberal

Paul Zed LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have the honour to table in both official languages the government's response to five petitions.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3 p.m.

Liberal

Ronald J. Duhamel Liberal St. Boniface, MB

Mr. Speaker, I have a petition which contains over 330 signatures from Manitoba supporting the amendment to the Canadian Human Rights Act to prohibit discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. These signatures are of people from all age groups who firmly believe that discrimination on any basis should not and cannot be tolerated.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

May 13th, 1996 / 3 p.m.

Reform

Hugh Hanrahan Reform Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Mr. Speaker, because of certification, I was unable to present this petition before the passage of Bill C-33. However, it is still my privilege to present the petition on behalf of approximately 240 individuals from Edmonton.

The petitioners would like to draw to the attention of the House that the human rights act not be amended to include the term sexual orientation, in order that no Canadians receive special rights or privileges based solely on sexual behaviour.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3 p.m.

Reform

Bob Mills Reform Red Deer, AB

Mr. Speaker, like the previous member, this petition has to do with Bill C-33 but was not certified in time.

I rise today to present to Parliament a petition signed by 484 people in my riding and from other parts of Alberta. The petitioners call upon Parliament to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act to prohibit discrimination based upon sexual orientation, that which the courts have declared to be the law.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Gurbax Malhi Liberal Bramalea—Gore—Malton, ON

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have the honour of presenting two petitions.

In the first petition the petitioners pray that Parliament not amend any act or code to include sexual orientation as a prohibited grounds of discrimination.

In the second petition the petitioners pray and request that Parliament not amend the human rights code, the Canadian Human Rights Act or the charter of rights and freedoms in any way which would tend to indicate societal approval of same sex relationships

or of homosexuality, including amending the human rights code to include in the prohibited grounds of discrimination the undefined phrase of sexual orientation.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Tony Valeri Liberal Lincoln, ON

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, it is an honour for me to present a petition on behalf of the constituents of Lincoln. The petition is signed by 410 constituents who are calling on Parliament not to amend the Constitution as requested by the Government of Newfoundland and to refer the problem of educational reform in that province back to the Government of Newfoundland for resolution by some other non-constitutional procedure.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Jean Augustine Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have some petitions.

The petitioners request that Parliament refrain from passing into law any bill extending family status or spousal benefits to same sex partners.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Reform

Sharon Hayes Reform Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to speak on behalf of a deserving but ignored group of Canadians. They call upon Parliament to consider the advisability of extending benefits or compensation to veterans of the wartime merchant navy equal to that enjoyed by veterans of Canada's World War II armed services.

This petition was signed by 75 members of the lower mainland and I am pleased to present their petition.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Reform

Dick Harris Reform Prince George—Bulkley Valley, BC

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am pleased to present petitions containing several hundred names from all across Canada.

The petitioners pray and request that Parliament proceed immediately with amendments to the Criminal Code that will ensure that the sentence given to anyone convicted of driving while impaired or causing injury or death while impaired does reflect both the severity of the crime and zero tolerance by Canada toward the crime.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bernie Collins Liberal Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Mr. Speaker, I rise on behalf of a number of petitioners from across Saskatchewan. They raise concerns about the possible increase in gasoline taxes which they believed we were prepared to include in the budget. On their behalf I do want to raise them now and I am pleased to do so.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Szabo Liberal Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have three petitions today.

The first one states that whereas the traditional heterosexual family is the building block upon which society is based, the petitioners request that Parliament refrain from passing into law any bill extending family status or spousal benefits to same sex partners. Further, they request that Parliament not amend the human rights code, the human rights act or the charter of rights and freedoms in any way that would tend to indicate societal approval of same sex relationships or of homosexuality, including amending the human rights code or the Canadian Human Rights Act to include in the prohibited grounds of discrimination the undefined phrase of sexual orientation.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Szabo Liberal Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Speaker, the second petition comes from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.

The petitioners would like to draw to the attention of the House that managing the family home and caring for preschool children is an honourable profession which has not been recognized for its value to our society. They also state that the Income Tax Act discriminates against traditional families who make the choice to provide care in the home for preschool children, the disabled, the chronically ill or the aged.

The petitioners therefore pray and call upon Parliament to pursue initiatives to eliminate tax discrimination against families who decide to provide care in the home for preschool children, the disabled, the chronically ill or the aged.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Szabo Liberal Mississauga South, ON

Mr. Speaker, the final petition comes from Elmira, Ontario.

The petitioners would like to bring to the attention of the House that consumption of alcoholic beverages may cause health problems or impair one's ability and specifically that fetal alcohol syndrome and other alcohol related birth defects are 100 per cent preventable by avoiding alcohol consumption during pregnancy.

The petitioners therefore pray and call upon Parliament to enact legislation to require health warning labels to be placed on the containers of all alcoholic beverages to caution expectant mothers and others of the risks associated with alcohol consumption.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

3:10 p.m.

Fundy Royal New Brunswick

Liberal

Paul Zed LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

3:10 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Kilger)

Is that agreed?

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

3:10 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-19, an act to implement the agreement on internal trade, be read the third time and passed.

Agreement On Internal Trade Implementation ActGovernment Orders

3:10 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Rocheleau Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

Mr. Speaker, I will conclude by repeating the remarks I was making concerning the establishment of a coast guard fee structure.

Before the ink has even dried on this internal trade agreement, supposedly designed to stimulate commercial activity, hence strengthening economic and trade ties between various parts of Canada, a fee structure is imposed by the coast guard for services provided by ships operating in Canadian waters, which will only create division at a time when efforts are made to effect economic unification once and for all. As a result, three main regions will be created-the western region, the central region and the maritimes-with three completely different tariffs. This in itself flies in the face of the political will expressed at the time the agreement was signed.

This goes to show how difficult it is to run this country-it is a virtually impossible task-and the lack of a cooperative spirit.

In conclusion, one can say without fear of being mistaken that the federal government is dealing a blow to Quebec, to the people living along the St. Lawrence, to all the ports along the St. Lawrence, where 85 per cent of Quebecers live, without consulting even the most influential of stakeholders, who come from the City of Montreal, for example, from the entire urban community in both Montreal and Quebec City, who made representations again last week, in addition to the private users who came to testify and the representatives of aluminum plants and logging operations.

They told the government: "Do not impede our ability to compete with foreigners". The government retreated into silence and arbitrary measures. They continued in that direction, deciding last Thursday to impose the first stage in the new fee schedule, $20 million, and in the process sacrificing the political will that was supposed to exist in this agreement.

In spite of the fact that there was no real consultation, and this was strongly criticized, the minister is relying on a study called IBI, which is in fact a survey. This study was condemned by all those who appeared before the committee. Of 49 witnesses, 37 asked for a moratorium, so that the situation can be examined to find out once and for all the economic impact of this measure on users and to make a true description of services provided to users, given that the government wants to tax them. Make no mistake about it: this is a tax. It must also be demonstrated that the Coast Guard did undergo a self-imposed streamlining exercise, as it claims to have done, given that the majority of the witnesses doubt that this is the case.

In conclusion, signing this agreement and imposing this new fee structure both confirm, yet again, this government's lack of vision.

Agreement On Internal Trade Implementation ActGovernment Orders

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Tony Valeri Liberal Lincoln, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to speak on Bill C-19, an act to implement the agreement on internal trade.

With all the issues we are faced with today, we may sometimes lose sight of how important trade is to Canada. From its very beginnings Canada has been a trading nation. It is the lifeblood of the country. The well-being of all Canadians depends on our ability to create and profit from competitive trading environments at home and abroad.

In the international arena we have been successful in negotiating and participating in a number of multilateral trading agreements. We are a founding partner in the North American Free Trade Agreement which has opened up our trading with the U.S. and Mexico.

Canada is a member of other trade organizations such as the WTO and GATT. We understand the need for formal agreements to set out rules that ensure fair trade between nations and that allow redress when a country fails to live up to the obligations it has accepted.

While we have long accepted the need to have rules of order and to have mechanisms to settle trade disputes on the international front, until recently we did not come to grips with the need to establish a framework to govern trade between provinces and territories within Canada.

We have that framework now in the agreement on internal trade. This bill, by making necessary and appropriate legislative changes within the federal jurisdiction, will enable the federal government to meet its obligations under the agreement and do its part to ensure the agreement is fully implemented.

The agreement on internal trade was signed by the Prime Minister and all other first ministers in July 1994. The agreement

is a made in Canada agreement to govern trade between provinces and territories and to open the domestic market to the freer flow of goods, services, people and capital.

The agreement provides a comprehensive set of rules that requires the reduction of existing ones and which prohibits the erection of new trade barriers. The agreement also sets out specific obligations in ten economic sectors.

It makes undertakings to streamline and harmonize regulations and standards between provinces and territories and has put in place a formal mechanism to resolve domestic trade disputes.

One of the most important points is that the agreement on internal trade, which Bill C-19 implements at the federal level, contains a formal commitment from all its parties, that is, from all 10 provinces and the territories as well as the federal government.

The commitment is to continue the process of trade liberalization within Canada within the framework of the agreement.

The need for this agreement has been well documented. We are all aware of examples of restricted trade practices or regulations which discriminate against certain businesses and labour groups.

These measures range from outright restrictions to bidding on government contracts to regulations affecting the mobility of labour or professionals between provinces, to differing standards for food or beverage products from one jurisdiction to the other.

We need to reduce these barriers through interprovincial trade in goods and services and to remove restrictions on the movement of people and capital within the domestic marketplace. The problems the agreement on internal trade is designed to address were built up over a long period.

Since Confederation there has developed in Canada a tangle of measures both well intentioned and deliberately protectionist which have prohibited interprovincial trade and restricted the free flow of persons, goods and services and capital between provinces.

Our government and all governments in Canada have come under strong pressures from the business community to change the scenario and to deal with the problems associated with internal barriers to trade and with the conflicting regulations on cross border flows of people and capital.

We have had representations from many leading business groups such as the Chamber of Commerce, the Canadian Federation of Independent Business, the Canadian Construction Association and the Canadian Manufacturers' Association, to name a few.

It is important to point out this is not just big business speaking out. Small and medium size enterprises also feel the negative consequences of barriers to trade between provinces and territories. The criticism and pressure is not just that of isolated interest groups; it has come for sound economic reasons.

These barriers put Canadians and Canadian businesses at a comparative disadvantage by restricting the size of the domestic marketplace, the ability to develop competitive skills as well as abilities that allow Canadian businesses to compete globally.

In a time of increasing global competition and more open markets in other parts of the world this can have the additional negative impact of putting Canadian businesses at a disadvantage to international competitors even in our own marketplace. It is no wonder that a recent survey by the Canadian Chamber of Commerce found that 67 per cent of Canadian businesses thought governments were not moving fast enough to eliminate internal trade barriers and impediments.

There is a cost to labour and to consumers. Overall it has been estimated that barriers to trade within Canada cost Canadians in the order of $7 billion annually in direct jobs and income loss. This problem has a direct impact on all parts of Canada and on all elements of society.

Governments have become the subject of pressure from the internal market issue. The reason is that it is quite simply wrong for any Canadian government for whatever local politically expedient reason to discriminate against Canadians because of where they live or work, because of where they learned or developed their skills and first had them recognized, because of where they bank or do business or because of where they sell or manufacture their goods and services.

The economic cost to Canada is high. Internal barriers and impediments tear at our national fabric. It is a cause for which governments must bear responsibility. We in the House can do something to help correct the situation by passing this bill. Internal trade is not just a federal government issue. It ranks high on the agenda of all of the provinces.

When the provincial and territorial leaders met at the annual premiers conference in St. John's, Newfoundland they renewed their commitment to the objective of reducing barriers to the free movement of persons, goods, services and investment in Canada. This agreement belongs to all of its parties. Its implementation is the responsibility of all of its parties, not just that of the federal government.

In order to address some misunderstandings of parts of the bill and to make manifest the intentions of the government, the Minister of Industry introduced amendments that made clear the exact scope for federal action under the agreement's dispute settlement procedures.

The legislation before us now is the result of a long process of negotiation and consultation that has involved Canadians of different political persuasions and with different regional perspectives. Even with these different perspectives and priorities the result has been agreement on the basic rules and framework for ongoing intergovernmental co-operation on domestic trade and other economic issues. The agreement on internal trade has give us that framework. Bill C-19 meets the obligations of the federal government to implement that agreement.

We must turn the page on what divides us and work toward economic solutions for Canadians. Together we can better meet the challenges and bring changes that are necessary. That is why this bill is important to all Canadians. That is why I support passage of this legislation through the House.