House of Commons Hansard #29 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was gst.

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Liberal

Martin Cauchon Liberal Outremont, QC

Mr. Speaker, listening to my hon. colleague's remarks brought to mind this old proverb I used to hear as a child. My father would always tell me “Martin, there is none so deaf as those who will not hear”. All I can do is repeat the figures, which speak for themselves, which I quoted in my speech.

Regarding harmonization—I am repeating myself because, from what I can see, on the other side, when the figures are positive, they just will not hear them. But I am a patient man; therefore, I will repeat them.

Regarding harmonization, since 1991, sales tax revenues clearly increased, going from $5.11 billion in 1989-90 to $6.15 billion in 1991-92. And they are complaining about unfair treatment.

I get the impression that the word does not mean the same thing depending on which side of the House one sits on. We must not be using the same dictionary. In terms of involvement in economic development—

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

The hon. member for Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot.

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Bloc

Yvan Loubier Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Mr. Speaker, I heard a different proverb from my father in my youth, one about losing sight of the forest for the trees. I think that this is what our colleague, the hon. member for Outremont and minister responsible for regional development in Quebec, is doing.

I have great respect for my colleague, but I wonder how well he knows the issue of harmonizing. If he had paid any attention to the analyses we have submitted to him, he would have realized that the GST is an issue that needs to be considered globally. A global look at what the fiscal situation was before harmonization, in 1989, and after harmonization, in 1991, shows that taxation adjustments had to made to absorb the transitional costs associated with this harmonization.

The hon. member referred to an increase in revenues. I am sorry, but these revenues do not come from the federal government. They come from the taxpayers who were forced to pay more, to pay for the transition to a harmonized system, actually. This is the reality.

So, respectfully, will he admit that the suggestion made this morning by the Bloc Quebecois is totally non-partisan? It provides that the government should appoint three experts. The first one would be appointed by the federal government, the second one by the Quebec government, and the third one jointly by the first two, so as to have an objective review that would protect Quebec's interests, which so concern the member for Outremont, because there is a lot at stake here.

So, I ask. If the hon. member is protecting Quebec's interests, might it not be a good idea to make representations to his minister and to convince him?

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Liberal

Martin Cauchon Liberal Outremont, QC

Mr. Speaker, to go back to the proverb referred to by the hon. member, we must not confuse the tree with the forest.

How could I possibly say that the Bloc is not strictly motivated by political interests given that, in the matter of the GST, harmonization has proven very beneficial to Quebec. So, Bloc members are only motivated by partisan politics. It could not be any different.

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Reform

Jake Hoeppner Reform Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the hon. parliamentary secretary a question. It is nice to hear the kettle calling the pot black. The present Canadian heritage minister said in this House that everyone knows the GST is largely responsible for a flood of cross border shopping that is costing thousands of Canadian jobs.

Why is the parliamentary secretary pursuing the GST policy and killing the jobs of Canadians with a tax that places a heavy burden on our tourist industry? I think the Bloc has very legitimate cause for feeling a little hurt by the GST. That was the comment of the present heritage minister.

I would like to ask the hon. parliamentary secretary how he justifies that comment?

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Liberal

Martin Cauchon Liberal Outremont, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to point out that the harmonization of the GST by the government is based on a process which is equitable and which has been very respectful of the need and reality of the provinces.

Let us look at the situation per se regarding the province of Quebec. Harmonization not only benefits the Government of Quebec in terms of having more revenues but consider also that the Canadian government is paying a financial amount to make sure that the province of Quebec will manage or proceed with good administration of the tax per se.

I do not understand the point made by the member of the Reform Party considering the fact that across Canada the harmonization has been respectful. Harmonization has been well received by all the provinces across Canada. Even looking at Quebec we will see that its minister of finance does not speak much about the tax because he knows that harmonization is benefiting the province.

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Reform

Jason Kenney Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, I rise to address the motion of the Bloc Quebecois, which reads:

That this House condemn the government for blatant unfairness to Quebec in the matter of the GST—

The official opposition opposes the motion because this is a motion which only speaks to one province. What Canadians need generally is tax relief. Not for one province but for all ten provinces. Not for some Canadians but for all Canadians. We oppose special tax deals which try to create special privileges for people based on this kind of politics.

What we really oppose most of all is the kind of tax record the government has foisted upon Canadians over the past several years. It is a tax record which has resulted in stagnant economic growth, declining family income and record high levels of unemployment. I said it before and I will say it again, we are now in our 86th month straight of over 9% unemployment, or is it the 87th month. I have lost track. I have lost track after seven years of record high unemployment, the longest period of unemployment since the great depression.

I am 29. Even before I got my first real job unemployment was over 9%. My entire professional life, I and people of my age have known nothing but record high levels of unemployment. What about youth unemployment for my generation, when it reaches levels of 25% in some regions of this country, including some parts of the province of Quebec. It is 17% overall.

The government's tax record is record taxes. I would like to point out that the government promised not to raise a penny in taxes before it was elected in 1993. I remember because at the time I was involved with the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, a group of grassroots taxpayers. The group was a little bit skeptical when these Liberals came calling in October 1993 and promised after their brilliant fiscal record of the Trudeau years not to raise taxes and not to increase the debt.

We were a little skeptical. We asked the Prime Minister, as did Canadians, would the first red book involve any tax increases given the manifold promises included in it. The Prime Minister said no, there were no tax increases in this plan, except there might be a war and in the case of a war, they might have to raise taxes.

Well there was a war, it was a war on Canadian taxpayers. The government decided to raise those taxes 36 times. It decided to piggyback on the most nefarious tax grab of all, the Mulroney deindexation of the income tax brackets, something that sucks $3 billion a year out of the pockets of average Canadians. Most shamefully of all, these Liberals, the government which applauds itself as a paragon of integrity, promised, made a solemn commitment to Canadians that it would scrap, kill, abolish, eliminate, get rid of, trash the GST. Well the last time I checked, the GST was still there. Canadians are still paying it as much or more than ever. That I think is the mother of all political lies, of all political mistruths ever uttered by a politician. The government should hang its head in shame.

Mr. Speaker, I will be sharing my time with the hon. member for Portage—Lisgar in a few moments.

It is interesting that the government still claims to be in favour of the GST when recently a number of focus groups were conducted by one of the Liberal government's favourite hack polling firms. It got a bunch of Canadians together behind closed doors and asked them a bunch of questions about the GST. The government was trying to find a way out of the impossible position it found itself in by defending the Mulroney GST.

Those Canadians in those focus groups said they thought the GST was an atrocity. They thought it ought to be abolished. They said that there was no way they would let the government out of that commitment, the promise it made in the 1993 election.

What happened? The government filed the focus group tests away in some filing cabinet in the back of the finance minister's office until some enterprising taxpayer decided to find out what kind of information about the GST was being generated at the expense of taxpayers. What did the finance minister have to say when this access to information request was made to release the results of these polls and focus groups? He said that no, Canadians will not be allowed access to what they said about the GST at their expense. Not only did the Liberals lie about the GST promise, they would not even let Canadians see what Canadians advised the government to do because they knew how humiliated they would be if the facts came out.

My question to my hon. friends opposite is, what are they afraid of? Why do they not want to let Canadians see what those focus groups said? What are they trying to hide?

It is really shocking. The one thing this government still has not learned is that Canadians want to keep more of what they earn. The Liberal Party has always believed that tax dollars are moneys that the government somehow has a proprietary claim on. We in the Reform Party believe that the money people earn belongs first, foremost and finally to them and their families so that they can support themselves and their businesses and help the economy to grow.

Increasingly Canadians are beginning to realize that the top economic priority for this country is tax relief. The government said that 50% of any future surpluses would go to new spending. It did not think that a party such as ours would be able to demonstrate public support for tax relief. The government thinks people are greedy because they want to keep a little bit more of their earnings, because middle class families want to be able to take a vacation every now and then on the money they earn. The government thinks that is greedy.

The government assumes that Canadians would be opposed to tax relief. But lo and behold, this past weekend a poll came out. Fortunately it was a public poll, one not commissioned by the government or we would not have seen it. This polls shows us that the number of Canadians who want tax relief now has tripled in the last couple of months. Now 35% of Canadians are demanding immediate tax relief. Only 9% want to spend any of the surplus as opposed to the government's priority to spend only half the surplus on useless programs and bureaucracies.

The priorities of Canadians are becoming increasingly evident. Canadians are calling for tax relief. They are calling for integrity in government. They are calling for the promise on the GST to be kept. My challenge to members opposite is to do what is right for a change. Cut spending, balance the budget so that we can scrap the GST and maybe they can salvage a little patina of their now much tarnished political credibility.

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Reform

Jim Pankiw Reform Saskatoon—Humboldt, SK

Mr. Speaker, we heard a few proverbs here a couple of minutes ago and I have one of my own. When it comes to fiscal management, this Liberal government is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

I was reading a list of ways you can tell someone is from Saskatchewan. The first thing on the list was that the manager of the Payless shoe store in Minot knows you by name. That is a humorous example of a very sad truth in reality. The reality is that the regressive tax regime of this government is forcing Canadians to shop outside their own country. If the Liberal government cannot see that reality and realize that something is wrong, then I suggest it is not just a few sandwiches short of a picnic but the whole basketful.

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An hon. member

You are going to agree with him, too.

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Reform

Jason Kenney Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, yes, I will surprise my colleagues opposite by agreeing with the hon. member.

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An hon. member

You are a few sandwiches short, too.

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Reform

Jason Kenney Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

I am a few sandwiches short as well. That is right.

The arrogance of the Liberal Party of Canada never ceases to amaze me.

I have to make a confession that I do not think I have made in this place before. It is a sad confession, but it is true. I used to be one of them.

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An hon. member

Oh, no.

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Reform

Jason Kenney Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

It is true. But I learned from my mistake and I went on the high road. I decided to no longer support the party of taxing and spending and broken promises.

I was a young Canadian concerned about no economic future. I was a young Canadian concerned about a future steeped in debt given to me by this Liberal Party. I had had it. When I finally saw a party which was willing to stand up against public borrowing and tax increases and spending my future, I decided to support that party.

All I can say to the hon. member is that too many Canadians are going to shoe stores in Minot to buy their shoes. Too many Canadians are going south of the border because of this tax burden. It is time we kept that business, those dollars and those jobs and those futures here in Canada, at home where they belong, by giving Canadians tax relief starting with the GST.

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Reform

Rob Anders Reform Calgary West, AB

Mr. Speaker, I challenge the hon. member for Calgary Southeast to talk about how many tax increases the Liberals have brought in since 1993. I dare him to mention them in the House.

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Reform

Jason Kenney Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, it is a difficult challenge but I think I am up to it.

Before I answer that very prescient question I would like to remind the hon. member that there was a government in this place between 1984 and 1993. I think it was governed by a guy by the name of Brian Mulroney, a name not very—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh.

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Reform

Jason Kenney Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

They groan. My PC friends groan whenever the name is mentioned. I can understand why. That government raised taxes 71 times in nine years. It was a shameful record that increased taxes on the middle class family by nearly $3,000 a year. It was a record that deindexed the tax bracket so that middle income earners were pushed into a higher bracket.

In response to the hon. member's question, this government has now raised taxes at last count 36 times. However after the CPP it will be 37 times. After the seniors benefit it will be 38 times. We have lost count how many times this government has raised taxes. All I know is that billions and billions of dollars representing hope and opportunity for the future has been taxed away.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

It being close to 2 o'clock, we will now proceed to Statements by Members.

Hough Haven FarmsStatements By Members

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

Larry McCormick Liberal Hastings—Frontenac—Lennox And Addington, ON

Mr. Speaker, for four years two brothers, Robert and Duncan Hough, have worked 10 acres of their family farm for the Foodgrains Bank. Today it is a privilege to recognize the family who operates Hough Haven Farms.

Each year the Houghs have been raising corn and donating the proceeds to the Foodgrains Bank. In turn, the dollars and grains are directed toward food related projects in the developing world.

The Hough family first got involved in the Foodgrains Bank when Andy Palmer of the Napanee Rotary Club approached them seeking support. For four years Hough Haven Farms has been generously donating land and labour. Others are also involved. For example, this year Bradshaw Feed, O'Neill Feed and Tri-County Agri-Mart donated seed and fertilizer. Supporting the Foodgrains Bank is truly a co-operative effort.

Farmers and their suppliers are making a big difference by sharing the Canadian harvest with those in need around the world.

I am very proud to stand in the House today to recognize the humanitarians who are making these important contributions.

CancerStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Reform

Paul Forseth Reform New Westminster—Coquitlam—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, prostate cancer kills more men in Canada than any cancer except lung cancer. The treatment of the 20,000 men who are expected to be diagnosed with prostate cancer in Canada this year will cost our health care system approximately $300 million.

The medical community considers prostate cancer as the male equivalent of breast cancer. Their incidence and mortality rates are very similar. Both diseases are very serious and are analogous as both are hormonal.

The government promotes itself on gender equity. Perhaps it is time to rethink its definition of equal. Before allocating any money for medical research, I urge the government to base its decisions on scientific, measurable and transparent criteria. Fairness across the board is the only way.

Riding Of LaurentidesStatements By Members

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Bloc

Monique Guay Bloc Laurentides, QC

Mr. Speaker, the riding of Laurentides has been heavily affected by the policies of the federal government.

Whether in its inaction and lack of interest in the Mirabel airport question, or in its controversial move of the employment centre from Saint-Jérôme to Saint-Antoine-des-Laurentides, the government has turned a deaf ear to demands from various socio-economic groups in my riding.

While the Bloc Quebecois members have been working like mad along with provincial and municipal elected representatives to make Quebec a prosperous nation, the federal government is, through its policies, thumbing its nose at the wishes of the community and flouting the basic principles of responsible government.

When I see the federal government acting in this way, it seems to me more essential than ever to make Quebec a sovereign country and to do so as soon as possible.

National Veterans WeekStatements By Members

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Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Mr. Speaker, this is National Veterans Week and Canada's native people as well as black Canadians, Japanese Canadians and French Canadians all gave up their lives as true Canadians in support of our country's quest to ensure that the fundamental principles of human rights would be respected and valued throughout the world. Too often their contribution, if acknowledged at all, is done so by addendum, by afterthought.

Black military heritage in Canada is still generally unknown and unwritten. The fact that approximately 600 black soldiers served in a segregated, non-combatant, labour battalion during World War I is one of the best kept secrets in Canadian military history, as is the service of several thousand blacks in World War II.

Nearly 150,000 French Canadians enrolled in the Canadian Armed Forces between 1939 and 1945. Japanese Canadians were turned away during the first world war—

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The Speaker

The hon. member for Ottawa West.

Alice TaylorStatements By Members

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Liberal

Marlene Catterall Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is a privilege for me to pay tribute to Alice Taylor of Ottawa, a longtime friend.

Mrs. Taylor celebrated her 100th birthday last Friday. She is Canada's 1997 Silver Cross mother, the only person ever to have been honoured to represent the motherhood of Canada twice.

Mrs. Taylor is visiting Parliament today and on Monday will be presented by the Speaker with a copy of the page from the Book of Remembrance commemorating the death of her son, Richard, who died following an attack on his tank during the march from Normandy to Falaise.

Mrs. Taylor represents all Canadian mothers who lost loved ones to the war. But she also represents all the homefront heroes who preserved a country of civility and love for our troops to come home to. She also represents a century in which this country moved from colonial status to a proud place on the world stage due in large part to the—