House of Commons Hansard #174 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was federal.

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Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

5:55 p.m.

Bloc

René Laurin Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, the motion by the member for Red Deer invokes the principle of respect for all parliamentarians when the time comes to decide whether or not to send an active military mission to another country.

It appears that all the opposition parties are prepared to support this motion, and the Bloc Quebecois has already said that that is what it will do. Unfortunately, the only arguments we have heard against have come from the government, the Liberal Party, which is getting ready to vote no for one reason alone. The main reason mentioned is that of wanting to retain room to manoeuvre so as to be able to act quickly.

This motion gives us an opportunity to solve a serious problem, which is that of asking Canadians and Quebeckers who are soldiers, who are members of a military force, to go overseas to defend the freedoms in which we believe, to defend democracy. We are asking them to put their lives on the line. These troops, who have partners, children, and families, are being asked to risk their lives, in most cases, to protect ours.

It seems to me it is important for these people to know that they have the support of not only a small number of people sitting at the cabinet table, but of all parliamentarians, regardless of their political stripes.

This is the principle behind the Reform Party's motion. Instead of attacking that motion, as the Liberal Party is about to do, we should support it and refer it to a committee for a more thorough review.

Sure, this is a motion which can be improved, but the only way to do so is to support it so that it can be referred to a committee which will conduct a more thorough review and which will suggest ways and solutions so that the motion, which would become a bill, would address the objections raised by the government and allow it to maintain some flexibility.

To show that this is possible, let me refer to a dissenting opinion expressed by the Bloc Quebecois in the report that followed the review of Canada's foreign policy by a joint special committee. The suggestions made by our party would help improve the motion of the Reform Party member.

We wrote, among other things, that Canada should encourage the setting up of a permanent contingent available to the UN for its peacekeeping missions abroad. We also said that there should be a limit on the number of troops in that contingent. We thought it might be reasonable to have 2,000 or 2,500 troops available to the UN for peacekeeping missions.

If Canada were in favour of the establishment of such a contingent, we would not have to come before the House every time to ask “Do we use the permanent contingent for this or that mission abroad?” No. There would be a permanent mandate from the House indicating to the UN “You can use these 2,000 or 2,500 armed service personnel people as you see fit, in peacekeeping missions anywhere in the world where freedom and democracy are being threatened'?.

Having this contingent would give the government the necessary latitude to respond to additional requests in specific cases. If there were a particular need for more than 2,000 or 2,500 Canadian military personnel, the government could then come before the House and hold a debate, in order to determine whether it had the support of the House for Canada's sending more than its regular contingent in order to resolve a problem. This would be one way of responding to the desire expressed in the motion, while at the same time allowing the government to maintain this necessary latitude.

With a permanent contingent there could be a response to need at all times, without the House having to make a decision, while specific additional requirements could be discussed in advance in the House, in order to give the Prime Minister a mandate as follows: “Mr. Prime Minister, in such and such a country on which there has just been a debate in the House, we will agree to Canada's having a supplementary contingent in addition to its permanent contingent”. The Prime Minister would then have the responsibility to decide the timing for Canada to send this additional contingent.

Then all the recognized principles would be in place, principles like making the system more democratic and involving all the members of this House in the decision to play an active role in maintaining world peace. The government would then have a perfectly legitimate right to enjoy some leeway when the time comes to make a decision.

More importantly, we want to prevent the government from having to side with the United States simply because the President of the United States picked up the phone one evening and worked out an agreement or discussed some other matter with the Prime Minister of Canada. We want to make sure that the decisions or arrangements will not be made by a select few with a hidden agenda.

When asking our military personnel to put their lives on the line to protect us, we ought to make sure that they have a mandate that has been given to them in the most democratic manner possible, involving as many people as possible. This kind of support is essential. Our troops must feel that they have the entire nation behind them, and not only the ruling party. In terms of quality of life in the military, this is certainly one way of showing respect for our troops and to let them know that they are emissaries, sent out with the unanimous consent of Parliament to protect and defend our lives. That is what this motion is all about.

If the government really wanted to uphold this principle, instead of tossing out this motion, it could support it or say that it will refer it to committee for further study and we could come back to it later, thus respecting the wishes of both the opposition and the government. It is in this spirit that we are going to support the motion and we hope that the government will give it more serious thought before rejecting it out of hand. This is a unique opportunity to improve our decision-making process when world peace is threatened.

For Canada, it would represent an opportunity to transcend the role of peacekeeper. That is our international reputation. Canadians are viewed as the best peacekeepers in the world but, with this sort of solution, we could become the architects of peace, and not just its keepers. We could create conditions favourable to peacekeeping operations, to the advent of international peace. There is a world of difference between keeping the peace and actually creating it.

I hope that the government will think about what I and my colleagues have said and that it will support the motion when it is put to a vote next Tuesday.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:05 p.m.

Reform

Bob Mills Reform Red Deer, AB

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I seek unanimous consent to close off the debate on my motion with about a two or three minute presentation.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:05 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

The time for Private Members' Business would expire at 6.15 p.m., just for clarification, and we have one more speaker at least.

Does the Chair have it correctly that the hon. member for Red Deer would like to have the time extended to 6.18 p.m. to allow no more than three minutes for the member who moved the motion to sum up?

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:05 p.m.

Reform

Bob Mills Reform Red Deer, AB

Mr. Speaker, that is correct.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

Robert Bertrand Liberal Pontiac—Gatineau—Labelle, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would simply like to clarify something. If I understand correctly, we have only one speaker, which will take us to 6.15 p.m.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:05 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

Yes, approximately.

No later than 6.20 p.m.

The House has heard the suggestion of the hon. member. Is that agreed?

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:10 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

We will go to the hon. member for Churchill for seven minutes and then to the hon. member for Red Deer for three minutes.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:10 p.m.

NDP

Rick Laliberte NDP Churchill River, SK

Mr. Speaker, I extend my support and speak in favour of the private member's motion that has been brought forward by the hon. member for Red Deer.

The motion speaks to our democratic right as members of parliament who represent the constituents of the country. All 301 duly elected members of the House represent Canada.

My first experience was the debate on the deployment of troops to the Persian Gulf. As a young member of parliament coming to the House I was not struck by the immense responsibility I had as an individual in voting to deploy our young men and women to a war zone.

Entering a war zone is a very unique situation. A lot of us have never experienced it. We have never taken up arms. We have never sacrificed our lives or have been ready to take somebody else's life. These are the issues we are talking about.

The hon. member has highlighted active military mission. That is a confrontation where anybody's life could be taken at any time. Other missions are not active military missions. Cleaning up the storm struck regions of South America or an ice storm or a snow storm are not active military missions but can be done world-wide.

I take this responsibility further and share with members a vision of Canada that I have been generously sharing for the last while. I refer to the unity, the symbolism and the design of this democratic structure. The House was designed so that both sides were two sword lengths apart. The symbolism of war designed the architecture of this room. There is no unity in this room. We are designed to fight, the government and the opposition. Even the words are antagonistic and protagonistic.

We have a budget to renovate this room over the next 15 years. Why do we not renovate the library? The building is a circular one. We could take the books off the shelves and store them in a safe place on the Hill. If we cleared out that room we would have a circular room in which to make decisions in a non-partisan way on sending our men and women to war. We could shed our political stripes. As a member representing the people of Churchill River I could cast my vote on whether to send troops to an active military front. It would be not as a New Democrat, a Reform member or a Liberal member. We could shed that at the door. A crucial issue of calling our men and women to war should be done in a united Canadian way.

Our system of government was adopted from Britain. A symbol of the circle has been held sacred by the aboriginal people for generations on the land that we occupy now. Why can we not adopt a symbol of that unity to unify the country to collectively make a conscious decision when we send members of armed forces to active military missions?

Other decisions could be made in that room. I want to draw attention to one.

The new millennium is coming. Our young men and women, our children and the generations to come, for the youth who might take their rightful place here, let us design structures of governance that involve them without any strings or preconditions attached. We must make decisions in that way.

My support for the motion comes from our making decisions as members of parliament to send our people to war. Let us envision ourselves in our places of decision making and maybe that is a rightful place.

By using the wooden mace yesterday we acknowledged that this place burned down and only the library was left standing. It persevered a test on the Hill. For that strength of collective unity in this country, let us consider it.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:15 p.m.

Reform

Bob Mills Reform Red Deer, AB

Mr. Speaker, I think all of us were certainly touched by the comments of the member for Churchill River.

It is fitting to end the debate on that tone when we are talking about the lives of Canadian men and women and active military missions. We should not mix it up. We are all proud of our forces. We should not mix up the ice storms and various other disasters.

We are talking about going to war and we are saying that the Canadian parliament should decide that. We owe that to our troops. We owe that to the morale of our troops. We should let them know that 301 of us are behind them when they go on a mission like this. That is the purpose of this motion. To change it in any other way is simply wrong and misleading.

We support peacekeeping missions. We support peacemaking missions. We believe that our troops do exceptionally well at them. We are simply asking that when lives are being threatened, bring it to the House so we can debate it here.

I go back to the foreign affairs minister and remind members across the way that prior to 1993, as the foreign affairs critic, he made the point over and over again that the previous government did not bring the decision to parliament when we decided to send troops into war. He condemned the government for that. I have read those speeches over and over again. I thought he meant it.

Again, last week when the Prime Minister said we were sending troops to Kosovo, our foreign affairs minister contradicted him by saying “No, we should go to parliament”. I still believe he has that mission.

I hope that on Tuesday when we vote I at least see the foreign affairs minister stand on what he has said so many times and as recently as last week.

Military Missions Beyond The Boundaries Of CanadaPrivate Members' Business

6:15 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

It being 6.19 p.m., pursuant to order made earlier today, all questions necessary to dispose of Motion No. 380 are deemed to have been put and the recorded division deemed demanded and deferred until Tuesday, February 9, 1999 at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

It being 6.19 p.m., this House stands adjourned until tomorrow at 10 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).

(The House adjourned at 6.20 p.m.)