House of Commons Hansard #129 of the 37th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was budget.

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1:35 p.m.

Liberal

Serge Marcil Liberal Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC

Mr. Speaker, one thing must be said. When a country is going through hard economic times, people are of course entitled to ask their government to examine its priorities.

Where must we place our priorities? Programs are examined and analyzed. What has to be kept is kept, and what is less important is cut.

This same exercise has been carried out in all provinces of Canada, as well as at the federal level. A result has been arrived at. Yes, of course, the present economic progress and wealth is the result of sacrifices by the entire population.

One thing must be said: we have put an end to 28 years of deficit. Here in this country we have had non deficit budgets for four years now. This one is the fourth, or the fifth. I find that a decision has been made, action taken, by a government—

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1:35 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)

I am sorry to interrupt the hon. member, but the hon. Leader of the Opposition now has the floor.

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1:40 p.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Canadian Alliance

Stockwell Day Canadian AllianceLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, this first decade of the 21st century has the potential to be a decade of destiny for Canada. This decade Canada still has the opportunity to be seen around the world as a most favoured nation and to live up to the words of our national anthem which stir us to be strong and free. For this to happen we need a government that is truly for the people. The Liberal government has shown that it is not. We need a government that is less concerned with perpetuating its own power and more concerned with perpetuating a future and a hope for its citizens.

I reluctantly agree with those economists who point out that the last decade of Liberal rule where perpetuation of political power was the main focus has resulted in the ship of state drifting aimlessly without direction through a decade of drift. We need a ship of state that is guided by a compass of integrity, charted by policies that are built on proven principles and steered by the hands of elected representatives who stand and speak and act on behalf of the citizens who sent them there.

That type of government can truly lead this nation into its decade of destiny. It can truly clear the way for its citizens, families and communities to become all that they hope and dream to be.

When we were growing up, we all wondered what Canada and the world would be like in the year 2000. As a matter of fact, Arthur C. Clarke with his visions of commercial space travel and intelligent talking computers gave us another date to ponder and it was the year 2001. Instead of a vision for the future, the government has given us budget 2001, a disappointment that is mired in the tired old tax and spend Liberal ideas of the past.

The budget continues the waste and the mismanagement that have plagued the government for the last eight years. In fact, someone said that if the budget were a movie, it would be called, with apologies to Arthur C. Clarke, “2001: A Waste Odyssey”. It has been an odyssey of waste. The budget shows no regrets after the unprecedented waste and mismanagement of taxpayers’ dollars that were exposed in the HRDC grant scandal and just last week in the latest and most damning auditor general's report that many of us have seen.

The budget represents another wasted opportunity, a chance to get the fundamentals of our economy right rather than focusing on the pet schemes of Liberal leadership candidates.

Waste and mismanagement have truly become the trademark of this government. The latest auditor general report, has, in our opinion, shown the present Liberal government to be the worst manager of the public finances in this country's history. That is why we all had hoped to see the government cut out waste and put its money into priority sectors. Yesterday, the Liberals clearly refused to do so.

The wasteful spending of the past few years has continued. More than that the floodgates have been opened once again for spending growth in non-priority areas, far above the rate of inflation and far above the rate of population growth. In fact, year over year spending is up by a record and an astonishing 9.3% this year. These are spending increases that we have not seen since the Prime Minister was the finance minister back in the late 1970s.

The Liberals are increasing their spending by 9.3% for this year alone, while the economy is growing at a mere 1.1%. They decided to increase spending and taxes, but they did not give one penny for health or to reduce the debt and taxes.

There is not a single dollar of spending cuts in the budget. New pet projects are being financed by spending new taxpayers’ dollars, not taking money from low and falling priorities. That is the way the Liberals should have done it. They missed a great opportunity.

The key needs for new resources for defence and security simply have not been addressed adequately. Even the shocking events of September 11 could not spur the government to provide more than just token sums for national defence. In fact once we set aside the leverage and the funding provided for Operation Apollo and a small grab bag of special anti-terrorism measures, there is absolutely nothing left for the base budget of national defence.

Just last week the auditor general reported that defence needs $1.3 billion per year just to keep replacing and servicing its current dilapidated equipment, let alone taking on the new roles that the ongoing war on terrorism may require. The bottom line is this: for every dollar that our military so badly needed and asked for, the Liberals coughed up a measly 15 cents. The Liberals have decided that Canada will simply be a passenger on the next NATO train, just along for the ride, not pulling any freight and not carrying its weight.

The Canadian Alliance has a message for our armed forces: They did not quit fighting for our freedoms in the last century. We will not quit fighting for them in this century.

There is not enough tax relief in the budget. In fact there is an increase in job-killing payroll taxes at the very moment that the economy is going into a recession. The bottom line is that next year, hard-working Canadians will take home $150 less on their paycheques because of the mismanagement of the government. That is not acceptable.

Payroll taxes are undoubtedly the most destructive for job creation. Yet, the Liberals chose to increase these taxes by an average of over $150 per worker.

As we move forward into the new century, Canadians deserve a decade of destiny to build a competitive, knowledge based economy with sound economic fundamentals, capable of taking on the world and leading the world. We can do it, but it will take a different type of government to get us there.

Instead, we have a lethargic Liberal government. We are on a course to another decade of drift, just like the 1990s when real income stagnated, our dollar declined to record lows and our competitiveness and productivity lagged far behind that of the United States and other industrialized countries.

I want to address four areas separately: first, the continued waste and mismanagement of government spending and the misplaced spending priorities in this new, non-security spending undertaken in this budget; second, the completely inadequate response to defence and security needs, especially in the Department of National Defence, in this new budget; third, the failure to provide any tax relief, while in fact job killing payroll taxes will be going up in the teeth of the Liberal recession; and fourth, the broader failure to get the fundamentals right and lay the ground for a decade of economic destiny.

Instead, we are continuing the policies that led to this decade of drift and decline in the 1990s. I particularly want to discuss the failure of the government to define a vision for the future, the future of our most important economic relationship, and that is our continental partnership with the United States.

As I said at the outset, the overriding problem with this budget is out of control spending, out of control waste. The government has shown time and time again that it cannot manage the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars that it spends already. In fact, the auditor general's report last week exposed the government as possibly the worst money manager in Canadian history.

The Prime Minister stood up earlier and said that he was not a visionary, and we agree with that, but he said some time ago that he was a good manager. The auditor general disagrees with that. Why, then, should we believe that the government can manage the tens of billions more that it proposes to spend in this budget?

Spending in this fiscal year, at $130.5 billion, is up more than $11 billion from last year's budget. That is a 9.3% increase. The year before, without the factor of September 11, spending was $111.8 billion, so spending has increased in a mere two years by a staggering 16.7% at a time when inflation has been practically non-existent. That is unacceptable.

We have not seen these types of year to year increases, as I have said, since the Prime Minister was finance minister. As recently as the November 1999 fiscal update just over two years ago, the government was calling for only $118 billion. In budget 2000 that was increased to $121.5 billion. In the 2000 so-called mini budget, the projection jumped again to $124 billion. Today the government believes that it will be able to hold the line at $130 billion and a 9.3% increase. It has never held the line yet. Our fear is that it will not hold the line on this budget.

Regrettably, the media reports that the Prime Minister had taken over control of writing the budget himself seem to have been correct. The finance minister obviously rolled over and played dead and allowed the Prime Minister to write this budget, but just because the finance minister rolled over and played dead does not absolve him of responsibility. He is still an accomplice in this act.

Since the October 2000 finance statement, up to and including the new spending yesterday, the government is promising $10.4 billion in new spending over the next three years. This budget was supposed to be a national security budget. I want to give the government half a point for spin, because it got some of that spin out there. The problem is, this is only a token toward security: less than 40% of this huge budget and its increase goes toward national security. The government has learned a little trick. It takes its spending announcements, expands them out over five years and puts that figure up there. It makes it look like a big dollar item.

That is misleading to the people of Canada. Here we have less than 40% of the new money going toward defence and security measures, and no money, not one cent, going to increase Canada's ailing health care system. Even though it is still $400 million short of the 1994 levels when the Liberal government started ripping the funding away from provinces for health care, the government could not in this budget find one extra dime for health care. That is unacceptable.

Sixty per cent of the new spending will go to the pet projects of an out of control Liberal cabinet. The heritage minister has been given new money for the CBC and television producers.

There is $185 million for new projects in Indian affairs. We agree with special funding for fetal alcohol syndrome, but it defies imagination that out of that $7 billion in the Indian affairs department the government could not reallocate one dime of spending to put toward fetal alcohol syndrome. It had to be new money, in the government's view.

There is $500 million for foreign aid in Africa, but no new commitment to guidelines on how it will be spent or whether or not it will go to corrupt leaders or to starving children. It is a half a billion dollar commitment with virtually no guidelines on how the money will be fired out the window.

The health minister got more money for his pet health care research foundation, but no new money to support the provinces for actually providing health care services to Canadians.

The industry minister did manage to get some money for his online initiatives, although thankfully his full-fledged, broadband boondoggle seems to have had its wings clipped. It is incredible that the government could not find one dime for an increase in health care to the provinces but eventually will commit over $100 million for high speech chat lines for Canadians who already, on their own initiative, lead the world in personal computer use and in Internet use. Already we lead the world without the help of the government. Now there is no money for health care but Canadians will be able to hit those chat lines faster and tell citizens around the world that they cannot get money for their hip replacements or for cancer research.

These misplaced priorities give us great cause for concern and disappointment in terms of the priorities of the government.

In the future, when we look back at this budget, we will see that the Liberals missed a unique opportunity to put their priorities in order. The Liberals decided to throw millions and even billions in non priority areas, while ignoring vital ones.

For example, the CBC will receive $60 million. Then there is $500 million for Africa, more than half a billion dollars for Heritage Canada, but not one penny for health and hospitals, for taxpayers, or to reduce the debt.

Worse still, if any unforeseen event happens, Canada will again have a deficit, because the Liberals chose to eliminate their cushion. The $4 billion that are usually set aside for fiscal prudence have disappeared.

As pointed out in an editorial published in today's La Presse :

And so it is that during a period of deep economic uncertainty, when such reserves would be more appropriate than ever, there are no longer any.

It is understandable that from time to time a government wants to take on new initiatives and highlight new priorities, but the government has failed abysmally and completely to follow the advice of many economic experts and the House of Commons finance committee to find new priorities from reductions in low and falling priorities.

The House of Commons finance committee recommended that the government fund its security measures and other spending priorities by reviewing existing spending and seeing where there was room for reductions. The committee called on the government to use the same test it used in the 1994-95 program review exercise to determine whether existing spending was on track.

The tests from the last program review exercise are worth mentioning. Here are some tests of government spending which the government apparently looked at six or seven years ago. It has refused to look at them since.

The government should ask these questions: Is the program a matter of genuine public interest? Is the program a legitimate and necessary role for government? Is it a federal responsibility? Could the activity be transferred to the private or voluntary sector? Can the objectives of the program be achieved more efficiently? Can we afford the program in the current fiscal framework?

Even in 1994-95 the government did not live up to any of those tests. It went through the motions of asking the questions. This time it did not even go through the motions.

The program review criteria are good ones. The government should continually reassess its program priorities to see if its spending is on the right track. The government continues to ask us for suggestions. There are some suggestions in terms of evaluating program spending. The finance committee recommended:

--that the government follow the Program Review process while maintaining a balanced budget in the face of new priority spending.

It quoted from David Paterson of the Canadian Advanced Technology Alliance. He told the committee:

Increased spending on security is essential, but we believe it can be offset by reduced spending on less important programs. New initiatives can be postponed until a budget surplus has been restored to a more adequate level.

That was sound advice. It is unfortunate that the government did not listen to its own committee.

ImmigrationStatements By Members

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Parrish Liberal Mississauga Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I heartily commend the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration on her introduction of employment authorization for the spouses of temporary skilled workers in Canada. Spouses and common law partners of skilled workers in professional, technical and skilled trades will now be able to work provided they meet immigration requirements concerning security, criminality and health.

In a global society where Canada is in international competition for skilled workers, allowing spouses to work will give Canadian firms a tremendous recruiting advantage. What is more, the spousal employment authorization program will have a positive effect on the lives of women and families.

The program recognizes the important contribution of spouses, still mostly women, to the corporate as well as the household economy. The program reinforces the government's throne speech priorities of fostering a competitive business environment, creating new jobs and building a higher quality of life for all Canadians.

National SecurityStatements By Members

1:55 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Rick Casson Canadian Alliance Lethbridge, AB

Mr. Speaker, as we prepare to leave this place to return to our homes and families for the festive season, let us not forget about those who will be standing on guard for Canadians.

Especially this year after the events of September 11, three months ago today, we need to show and demonstrate our support for men and women in uniform; our police forces, firefighters, military, customs and immigration officers, all those who will be on duty in Canada and around the world so we can enjoy time with our families and friends.

I was a firefighter for 17 years in my other life. I know the spirit and dedication that exists within the hearts of those who serve and protect. I also know the horror of lives lost and injured, of families torn apart and of homes and businesses destroyed. I know the toll that this takes on the lives of those who choose to stand to protect their fellow citizens.

This holiday season when we are enjoying being with our friends and our families and we raise our glasses, let us remember to toast these brave men and women.

Sima SamarStatements By Members

December 11th, 2001 / 2 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to stand today to congratulate Dr. Sima Samar on receiving the John Humphrey Freedom Award granted by Rights and Democracy of Montreal. Dr. Samar has contributed tremendously through her efforts to strengthen the human rights of women and girls in Afghanistan and in refugee camps along the northern border of Pakistan.

From the time the Taliban took over in 1996 Dr. Samar operated schools for girls and offered health services throughout Afghanistan that were otherwise unavailable, often risking her life by defying the ruling Taliban. Likewise Dr. Samar has been appointed deputy prime minister and minister responsible for women's affairs in the power sharing council that will run the transitional government in Afghanistan.

As part of her Canadian tour Unifem welcomes Dr. Samar to Ottawa tomorrow where she is speaking at the Chateau Laurier at noon. I encourage all members to attend this wonderful event to hear firsthand the plight of the women in Afghanistan and to establish what we as Canadians can do to help.

The BudgetStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Robert Bertrand Liberal Pontiac—Gatineau—Labelle, QC

Mr. Speaker, the budget presented yesterday by the Minister of Finance is characterized by its balance.

Thanks to the efforts of all Canadians, and the prudent financial management of their government, Canada is in a good position to cope with the slowdown being experienced by the world economy.

Since we became the government, we have put public finances on a healthy footing. We have put an end to 28 years of deficit, and created a budget surplus four years in a row. The resulting savings have enabled us to invest $2.5 billion in other initiatives.

The 2001 budget contains a $7.7 billion investment in national security in Canada, as well as measures to bolster our economy and maintain tax cuts. Additional tax credits for health were also included.

With this budget, the Government of Canada once again is showing that it can be trusted. There is a safe and prosperous future in store for Canadians.

Winter OlympicsStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Sophia Leung Liberal Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Mr. Speaker, the Vancouver-Whistler 2010 Olympic bid has received the financial support in the government's budget and a further pledge of support when the bid is successful.

For many months the members of the B.C. federal Liberal caucus have supported the work of the Olympic bid committee to secure the 2010 Winter Olympics in British Columbia. I congratulate the members of the bid committee and the volunteers who have worked so hard to highlight the tremendous benefits of Vancouver and Whistler to host the 2010 Winter Olympics.

I hope all members of the House will join British Columbians in supporting the Vancouver-Whistler 2010 Olympic bid.

AgricultureStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Howard Hilstrom Canadian Alliance Selkirk—Interlake, MB

Mr. Speaker, yesterday's budget offers no new hope for Canada's farming community and is seriously out of balance. The Liberals have repeated their failure to deliver meaningful programs for farm families and the Minister of Finance has once again ignored agriculture.

Yesterday was an opportunity for the Liberals to outline the details of their vision for the future of farming. Sadly the budget gives no details on how the government intends to move producers beyond crisis management.

Farmers across the country who continue to face disastrously low world commodity prices now have to contend with the impact of this year's national drought. There is no question that these producers need adequate emergency assistance for short term survival. Yet the Liberals offered no prospect that any new help is forthcoming. Farm families deserve better.

The federal government's priorities must change. Wasteful spending must stop and dollars be reallocated to critical areas like agriculture. The Liberal government failed to adjust its misplaced priorities in the budget.

National SecurityStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Tony Tirabassi Liberal Niagara Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to pay tribute to some true heroes. These are the people who since September 11 have worked tirelessly and skillfully for the Canadian public service to co-ordinate Canada's response to the attacks.

Thousands of public servants were honoured yesterday with certificates of recognition for their dedication and exemplary performance in the wake of terrorist attacks. The ceremony was part of the annual head of the public service awards. They were presented by Mel Cappe, the Clerk of the Privy Council.

The recipients came from all parts of the public service: customs guards, RCMP, diplomats, receptionists, policy makers and military personnel who shifted their attention to the priority of national security. Their efforts became part of the largest mobilization of government departments and agencies in the public service since the end of the second world war.

Their commitment and diligence have been essential in ensuring the safety and security of Canadians. We thank them for their exceptional efforts.

“Hugs for peace” ProjectStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Bloc

Benoît Sauvageau Bloc Repentigny, QC

Mr. Speaker, recently a number of schools in the des Affluents school district have been involved in an activity connected to the tragic events of September 11.

This project, which was the idea of the religious studies coordinator, was designed to raise the children's awareness and give them a way of expressing themselves. All participants had a chance to express their emotions and to make a symbolic gesture showing how important peace and freedom was to them.

The “hugs for peace” project was made up of three phases: a brief discussion of the September 11 events, a hug or handshake between pupils and staff, and a drawing or letter to be sent to the Prime Minister expressing their reasons for wanting to live in a better world.

The participants hope to raise the awareness of MPs, and the Prime Minister in particular, by sending in over 7,000 letters and drawings. I and my colleague from Terrebonne--Blainville wish to congratulate everyone involved in this project.

National SecurityStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Comuzzi Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

Mr. Speaker, today on behalf of the House and on behalf of all Canadians we extend a very warm welcome to Governor Tom Ridge, director of homeland security for the United States of America.

President Bush created this office and appointed Mr. Ridge to that position. His responsibility will be to co-ordinate the security of the United States against all terrorist activities, and this is Governor Ridge's first visit to Canada. The budget yesterday clearly illustrates Canada's commitment to work with Governor Ridge in this important undertaking.

I would be remiss if I did not say that this was just an ongoing venture with the United States. Canada and the United States have worked very closely together since after the second world war with the Distant Early Warning line and working together with NORAD. This new undertaking is just another step in securing safety for the citizens of all of North America.

We welcome very warmly to Ottawa and to Canada Governor Tom Ridge.

Aboriginal AffairsStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Maurice Vellacott Canadian Alliance Saskatoon—Wanuskewin, SK

Mr. Speaker, there is no limit on the ways the Liberal government has failed aboriginal people. One of its more creative ways is by failing to monitor prescription drug use among aboriginals, and the result has been drug addiction and death.

Let no one say that this problem has taken us by surprise. We have known about it since 1997 when the auditor general explained it in detail. Let no one say that the solution is a mystery. Hard data prove that sharing information on drug use among doctors and pharmacists reduces the abuse of the system, but sadly let no one say that the Liberals are serious about fixing the problem.

They refuse to make the statutory changes necessary to allow information sharing on prescription drug use. Instead the Liberals expect addicts to volunteer their consent to have their drug information shared, but addicts who are double doctoring of course will not consent to getting caught.

Is this the best that the Liberals offer to aboriginal people? Surely first nations individuals deserve much better. Lorraine Stonechild in the parliamentary committee said “We can't keep letting first nations people die over this carelessness of the government. All information should be shared so it doesn't continue. I'm asking, please make these changes soon. I don't want to see any more people die”.

The BudgetStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Liberal

Gary Pillitteri Liberal Niagara Falls, ON

Mr. Speaker, the budget released yesterday shows the prudence and wisdom of the government in managing the fiscal affairs of Canada. In this time of economic downturn and international insecurity the government is able to provide for economic and personal security for Canadians because of its sound economic policies.

The budget has provided the resources necessary to combat the threat of terrorism. New spending on security will come to $7.7 billion. This includes $2.2 billion for airline security and $1.2 billion for border security.

We have provided a stimulus package to the economy that includes $2 billion for new infrastructure spending and $1.1 billion over the next three years for research and training. The government has kept its commitment to the $100 billion reduction of personal taxes which includes a $17 billion reduction this year and $20 billion next year.

The budget is the right budget at the right time and it was made possible by the sound policies of the government.

Sandy BeardyStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

NDP

Bev Desjarlais NDP Churchill, MB

Mr. Speaker, on December 3 of this year first nations in Canada lost a great man, Sandy Beardy of Pemicikamak Cree Nation, Cross Lake, Manitoba.

Sandy led an accomplished life dedicated to the vision of preservation and recognition of aboriginal rights and the right of self-government. His unwavering commitment to follow those principles earned him respect as a traditional elder. His strength was gained through his faith that transcends both Christian and traditional spirituality.

Sandy served Pemicikamak Cree Nation as a chief and a councillor. He received the order of the buffalo hunt for outstanding leadership and pioneering qualities and co-operation during his term as chief. He was an adviser to the northern flood agreement negotiations and subsequent implementation initiatives and appeared before a committee of the House on related issues.

He participated at Meech Lake, was spiritual council to National Grand Chief Ovide Mercredi and was an elder with Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak, the Assembly of First Nations and Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. His valued input and insight will be greatly missed.

Sandy was an aboriginal veteran who proudly served Canada. He spoke passionately of the dedication of first nation soldiers and the need for recognition of these sacrifices.

The BudgetStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

Bloc

Jocelyne Girard-Bujold Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Speaker, during the last election campaign, Liberals strutted about making all kinds of promises. To hear them tell it, their election would have meant billions of dollars for the regions of Quebec. One year later, the Minister of Finance's budget confirms what we already knew: Liberal talk is just that, talk.

Nothing for seasonal workers. Nothing for young people in the regions. Nothing to jump start the economy in the regions. Nothing to help regional carriers. Nothing for health transfers.

Nothing in the immediate future for infrastructure essential for development in the regions. There may be help in 18 months, but that would be through a useless fund that is difficult to justify.

In fact, the only measure that will affect the regions directly is the new airline security tax, which will serve as another hindrance to regional air carriers.

In fact, the Minister of Finance's budget has led us to conclude that the regions of Quebec have never been further away from Ottawa.

Infrastructure ProgramStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

Serge Marcil Liberal Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC

Mr. Speaker, allow me to speak once again today about an important matter for Quebec and for the greater Montreal area, the matter of highway 30.

Quebec Liberal caucus members can be proud of the fact that through their hard work and solidarity, they managed to make significant progress towards fulfilling their election commitment made one year ago, to build the bridges and 14 kilometers of highway to allow for the completion of highway 30.

The $2 billion infrastructure fund announced by our colleague, the Minister of Finance, is news that all of the Montérégie can greet with much enthusiasm.

My colleagues from the Quebec caucus and myself are particularly proud to have been heard. In one year, the Government of Canada has done more for highway 30 than the PQ government in power in Quebec has done in seven years.

My Quebec colleagues join with me in asking the government of Quebec to do its part immediately and to start its work, as set out in the transport plan, as soon as possible. It is time that the government of Quebec make good, in concrete terms, on its promises.

The EconomyStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

Progressive Conservative

Elsie Wayne Progressive Conservative Saint John, NB

Mr. Speaker,

T'was the night before Christmas and all through this place, Only the Minister of Finance sat with a smile on his face. The critics were reading their questions with flair, About the new budget and who it would spare. The Liberals were snug all tight in their benches, While the opposition dug deeper, down in their trenches. The minister's speech filled with language so dense, Did not do nearly enough for our national defence. So I in my sweater, stood up from my chair, And as loud as I could, shouted: “That is not fair!” But all of the money was already spent, What else to expect from this government? So while I'm here standing, shaking my fist, I know that ol' Santa is checking his list. He knows who's been good and knows who's been bad. And still using the Sea Kings makes him real mad! So for this year like last--try as he might, The minister won't get the chair to his right.

I wish everyone Merry Christmas.

Health CareStatements By Members

2:15 p.m.

Liberal

Steve Mahoney Liberal Mississauga West, ON

Mr. Speaker, one year ago Mike Harris and the other premiers signed the health accord with the federal government allocating $23 billion in new health care funding. They said that it was a good deal then but now it is not enough.

The province of Ontario has seen increases in federal transfers over the last five years from 22% of their total program spending to 27% today.

The provincial finance minister thinks we should use the deferred small business tax instalments to fund health care. Tory logic, deferred money is new money. This is an initiative to help small business with their cashflow, not to allow for an increase to the Harris Tories.

They just do not get it. In 2001-02, federal transfers are providing $1.1 billion of the $1.2 billion increase in Ontario health care spending. The provincial health minister threatens to take drug money away from seniors, while at the same time giving tax cuts while in deficit and issuing $200 rebate cheques. Then they cry poor. Canadians know better.

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Canadian Alliance

Stockwell Day Canadian AllianceLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, last week's auditor general's report pointed out that the Liberals were probably the worst money managers in Canadian history. However, there was a slight glimmer of hope. The auditor general said that there was a pool of $16 billion in which to find waste and reduce spending.

However, in the budget yesterday, not one word was said about reducing waste, not one dime of waste reduced. Why not?

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

LaSalle—Émard Québec

Liberal

Paul Martin LiberalMinister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, what is important in a budget is the way in fact it is received by the public. I would simply like to read one quote.

The Canadian Chamber of Commerce said:

By avoiding a budget deficit and yet allocating new resources for security and for Canada--U.S. border management, the federal government today provided a budget that is right for the times.

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Canadian Alliance

Stockwell Day Canadian AllianceLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, let us see what the people had to say. Nancy Hughes Anthony, who is the head of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce, said:

The government should have done more to set priorities...but instead they chose to increase the size of spending....

That is what the people are saying.

Why was there not one dime going to the national debt? We had hopes that we might see the debt retired in our lifetime. Now we see the debt piling up on the shoulders of our children and the debt payment program has been eliminated. Why not one dime to paying down the debt?

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

LaSalle—Émard Québec

Liberal

Paul Martin LiberalMinister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition quotes Nancy Hughes Anthony. Allow me to give the full quote:

Canadian business can endorse large parts of this budget because it avoids a deficit while addressing security and border management problems. This budget recognizes that a functioning and efficient border with the United States is vital to the well-being of the Canadian economy.

The Canadian Chamber of Commerce endorsed the budget.

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Canadian Alliance

Stockwell Day Canadian AllianceLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, Nancy is a star today because he did not finish her quote. She stated:

What we see is a lack of discipline in spending, which could lead the country back into deficit.

That is what she said. He should have finished the quote.

Why, when the auditor general said that we needed $1.3 billion this year for our national defence, has the government barely found $200 million? Other than for Operation Apollo, it is underfunding our armed forces and yet it can find $560 million for the Sheila culture cops but nothing for national defence--

The BudgetOral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

The Speaker

The hon. Minister of Finance.