House of Commons Hansard #184 of the 37th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chairman.

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1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Guy St-Julien Liberal Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik, QC

Mr. Speaker, I listened carefully to the comments from my colleague. I was not talking about agriculture, but about lumber. The member said the government was wimpish. Wimpish as in soft, I guess, because, in the lumber industry, we do have soft wood and hard wood, 2x4s and 4x4s.

The member of the Canadian Alliance said that public money has only been spent on other industries. Let me point out to him that the Department of Natural Resources got $720 million this year compared to $638 million last year. New ministers have just been appointed. The minister responsible is from Vancouver. Forestry is one of his main priorities. He works hard on developing forest policies. The Minister for International Trade does a good job too.

We are talking today on behalf of forest workers. That is what is important. We need to work together to come up with a new program so that Canada is not rapped on the knuckles and told it is subsidizing softwood lumber. We need a social program to help the softwood lumber industry.

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1:10 p.m.

Bloc

Gilles-A. Perron Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, to begin with, I was expecting a much more virulent outburst from my friend, the member for Abitibi--Baie-James--Nunavik.

Unfortunately, he merely read newspaper articles. He barely mentioned the problem and the solutions required, if at all. He barely touched on the problem. I am very disappointed with his attitude.

He did mention workers briefly. Yes, we agree that we must save workers' jobs. First and foremost, we must also agree to save the industries that are in a precarious situation.

We know that in Quebec alone, the industry has contracted $550 million in loans.

Does the member for Abitibi--Baie-James--Nunavik agree with the Bloc Quebecois' position that the government should be guaranteeing these loans by existing companies?

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1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Guy St-Julien Liberal Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik, QC

Mr. Speaker, I listened to the comments made by the member for Rivière-des-Mille-Îles. It is true that he is disappointed. He said that he was disappointed by my comments, but he did not mention any percentage. I thought that he was only disappointed by 1% of my comments. It would not be so bad if it is only 1% of my comments. I would still be doing pretty well.

In the end, the softwood lumber issue is one that is complex. It is easy to get lost in figures. I referred to newspaper articles and that is to be expected. It is in the news these days. The media are watching us.

In any case, with respect to the motion that I moved in the House of Commons, I had said that we needed to come up with a new program. We need to work together.

I appreciate his speech. Whatever happens, we need to be there for forestry workers in Quebec and Canada to find a new solution together with the present government.

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1:15 p.m.

Vancouver Quadra B.C.

Liberal

Stephen Owen LiberalSecretary of State (Western Economic Diversification) (Indian Affairs and Northern Development)

Mr. Speaker, let me first address the issue by reminding everyone in House and beyond what the dispute is about.

The dispute is not about subsidies to Canadian industry. It is not about dumping softwood lumber into the United States. It is not about improper or inadequate environmental sustainable logging practices.

The dispute is about protectionism. It is about protectionism in the U.S and about congressional pressure on behalf of a small number of constituencies that support the softwood lumber industry in the United States.

The dispute is not about Canada. It is about the attitude of the United States.

Let us relate that to the end of managed trade just over a year ago. We heard from members opposite that the government was not acting in a planned way to deal with the end of that managed trade. Nothing could be further from the truth. We were unified by province, by the federal government and by industry to say that we did not want to renegotiate managed trade. We wanted free trade. That was our right. The Americans were protectionists and we wanted it to end. We were together.

We did not even have a president with whom to negotiate. Until last January we did not know who it would be, nor was there a U.S. trade representative until well into March. The main point is that we were not going to negotiate a new deal. We were going to demand free trade. We went into that together.

Let us look at some of the complexities and some of the issues that have been raised in order to counter the unfair protectionist subsidies and penalties or countervails and penalties by the United States. Some say that we should link it to energy. We would lose more public and private revenues, at least an equal amount, by linking it to trade as with softwood lumber. We just lose one to gain the other. We must have the two together with free trade.

Some say that we should link it to all trade. Eighty-seven per cent of our trade is dependent on the United States. Who will be hurt? We have huge trade surpluses with the United States. Who will be hurt by trying to have an overall trade war?

Others say that we should link it to Afghanistan. We are not about to deal away our sovereignty and our issues of decisions on our own security for linking to other trade issues.

Some say that we should put in an export tax. That would be fine perhaps in a negotiated settlement where it would be an interim tax and not an admission of just replacing countervails and penalties with a permanent export tax.

Some say that we should give subsidies to industry. We hear it today and we see it in the motion. If the U.S. is willing and anxious to put on 27.2% countervails and penalties without any justification, if we gave direct subsidies to industry without being immensely cautious about how we do it, does anyone think that they would not immediately add those on to the non-subsidies? This is a very complex issue and we need to pull these threads together.

What the government has done over the last year, with provincial, industrial and everyone else's support, although not with the opposition's support, was to go on three fronts. We have been litigating for our rights to free trade, and we will continue to do that. We are expecting, although these are long processes, to get interim rulings even within the next several months around a trade policy that is in our estimation illegal in terms of handing countervails to U.S. industry.

We are also continuing to negotiate, if we can, but we have made it very clear, and industries and provinces were with us, that we would not negotiate a bad deal. We would rather walk away from a negotiated deal than get a bad one.

We have had a policy in this country for the last several years of building a unified position. We need to hang together on that because it is immensely important. It is certainly important for my province of British Columbia, which many colleagues opposite also represent, because it carries the bulk of the impact of these unfair subsidies and penalties.

What else can we can do? Two weeks ago we saw representative Gary Miller from California come out strongly in favour of the American consumer and decry these duties. We have seen editorials in Dallas, Chicago, Detroit and Minneapolis-St. Paul over the last few weeks arguing the Canadian position, the unfairness of the American position and advocating to the American consumer. We have Home Depot and other builders and suppliers asking for our assistance. We need to build that coalition through increased advocacy, and that is what is going on.

We are looking for new markets. Last fall the federal government added $5 million to the $5 million from the government of British Columbia to promote new markets in China. We must look beyond our current partners.

The Minister of Natural Resources was in Mumbai, India last week at a Canadian forest products show to promote our forest products abroad. We must diversify our markets.

Although it has been incredibly criticized by members opposite, the Minister for International Trade is in Spain this week meeting with the European Union, our second largest trading partner in the world, to discuss greater diversification in our trade markets. Forty-five per cent of our GDP in Canada is related to international trade and we need to keep diversifying it. These are all coming together.

Yesterday in question period the Minister of Industry said that communities and employees who have been affected will be looked after. We will come together. We are looking at a broad package and these will come forward over the next few weeks.

Community Futures Development Corporations in 90 rural communities in the four western provinces bring local business people together with initiatives and small revolving repayable loans for diversified industries in those small and medium sized enterprises for value added manufacturing and for broader employee supports.

The Minister of Human Resources Development, although often decried by the other side, is making sure that those services are ready for employees as they need them. We need to make them more efficient and we need to expand them. However those supports are part of this government's policy and we will be rolling out more comprehensive programs in the next few weeks.

We did gain at least some toehold of respect in last week's decision for our free trade position in our litigation policy and our arguments before American officials. The ITC, the International Trade Commission in the U.S., has found only the potential for injury and not actual injury, and $760 million will be returned in bonds and cash deposits to Canadian industry.

This is not the end of the fight. It is only a clear indication that we have not been damaging the American industry to date. They were bogus arguments and we will take those forward to the litigation venues that we are already in. We are also in those venues at WTO and NAFTA. Panels are being established and we are making solid arguments for expedited hearings. If the U.S. has nothing to fear then let us have the decision sooner rather than later.

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1:20 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Grant McNally Canadian Alliance Dewdney—Alouette, BC

Mr. Speaker, I want to begin my comments for the parliamentary secretary by quoting back to him what he said. He said that it was not about Canada.

It is about Canada. It is about British Columbia and every province in the country. Maybe he does not want to stand up and support the workers in the industries that are being hampered by the government's lack of action.

He said that the government has been working since 1996 for some unified position on this. That is good but, in the meantime, if there were a unified position going back to 1996, we may have heard at least one possible solution to the bridging period of time that we are in now. He knows that it will be 18 months to 3 years before there is any kind of long term settlement on this issue. Surely, with all the resources of the government, it must have come up with some kind of interim measure rather than the ones that the parliamentary secretary offered.

He mentioned litigation, a unified position across the provinces and consumer advocacy but his government must be able to offer Canadians watching today more of a solution than just waiting for the trade resolutions to work themselves out. Workers who are losing their jobs across British Columbia and across the provinces need help in the interim. He must be able to give us more than what he has given us today.

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1:25 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Mr. Speaker, we do need a comprehensive package. As the trade minister said yesterday, the federal government will be there for communities and employees and packages are being put together. We have until May 23. We are not abandoning negotiations but we will not negotiate a bad deal.

We do have supports for employees through employment insurance programs. We have Community Futures Development Corporations that allow for and support diversification and value added industries in our rural communities. We have a program that was immensely effective for coastal communities where, through western diversification, $25 million was tripled at the local level to help in those value added and diversification initiatives. Those are the type of programs we are looking at.

For goodness' sake, let us not suggest that nothing has been done. There has been more aggressive action on this file by the international trade minister than on any other issue over the last year. The Prime Minister has had engagements with the president on this perhaps more than any issue, including security, over the last year.

We are standing firm with the provinces, with industry and, we hope, with members opposite to make sure we have a unified position in favour of free trade. The problem is not in Canada, it is in the U.S. because of protectionism. The consequences are being visited on us and that is why we all have to pull together to deal with them.

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1:25 p.m.

Bloc

Jocelyne Girard-Bujold Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I have listened with interest to the secretary of state's speech. He has given us the agenda of the Minister of International Trade for the last few months. I know it because I have followed it closely and so have the workers of my region.

The workers have said, “This is strange because all the provinces and all the industries had co-operated with the Minister of International trade to solve the problem”. They knew the Americans would use their power to impose protectionist measures. They also knew that the Americans had the upper hand and that, if the Minister of International Trade did not assume his responsibilities, did not act as a check and balance to the strength of the American protectionism, we would lose again in this matter. This is what has happened.

As a responsible party, the Bloc Quebecois has suggested an action plan to help industries and workers. In return, you are telling us that the government will look at the situation as it develops and might act in a few weeks. No, today we have suggested a debate—

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1:25 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)

Order, please. The hon. member must address her comments to the chair. The hon. Secretary of State for Western Economic Development.

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1:25 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member opposite for reinforcing exactly the range of initiatives the government is putting together. This is in addition to the strategy we have been pursuing for more than a year with the provinces and with industry. We have been negotiating with the U.S. not toward a bad deal, but walking away from a bad deal. We are continuing to look for opportunities. We are litigating in every possible forum as well as supporting the idea of industries going through chapter 11 under NAFTA. As well, we will make sure that our industry and the employees and communities are protected by effective litigation and the accomplishment of free trade over time.

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1:25 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Gauthier Bloc Roberval, QC

Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform you that I will share my time with the member for Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière.

It is an honour to speak to the motion moved by the Bloc Quebecois inviting the government to set up an assistance program for the softwood lumber industry, considering the terrible crisis lumber plants and forest workers of our regions are going through at this time.

If I may go beyond partisan politics, I wish to say that the opposition has shown a sense of responsibility beyond reproach in the softwood lumber issue. First, we supported the government strategy. Never, throughout the debate, has the opposition been derelict in its duty to support the government's strategy, to advise the minister and bring an extremely positive contribution to negotiations as a whole, particularly with regard to the attitudes we should have in Canada and especially in Quebec, the region the Bloc Quebecois is most interested in. We have always tried to create a solid block with the government and with the lumber industry, in order to bring the issue to a positive outcome.

This was not the case. Against our will, that of the government and of all Canadians, we have engaged in this legal saga that unfortunately will stretch out long enough to be harmful.

The opposition no longer agrees with the government in terms of the steps to be taken to support the lumber industry, and this where we have a problem. I represent a riding where this industry is the main component of our economy. In the riding of Roberval, there are small, medium and large size sawmills. The most efficient mill in eastern Canada, Barrette-Chapais, is located in the riding of Roberval.

As the member for Roberval, softwood lumber and logging are issues that I always hold near and dear because they involve hundreds of families whose daily lives depend on the logging industry, and logging depends of what we are able to sell to the United States.

When the government refuses to take responsibility for setting up an assistance program for businesses and workers, then we stop following. We stop following the Minister for International Trade when he has the gall to tell reporters and to repeat in the House that if the lumber industry is in trouble in certain regions, it is not due to the trade dispute with the United States but rather to management problems. He says that the government will certainly not use taxpayers' money to solve management problems that have nothing to do with the softwood lumber crisis.

Even Statistics Canada admits, in a recently released bulletin, that the lumber production in Quebec is at its lowest level in ten years. I am not making it up. This is not happening because management problems in sawmills have all surfaced this year. One does not have to be a psychic or an economist to understand that.

Lumber production is limited to a strict minimum, and logging is even more limited. I want to take this opportunity to set all partisanship aside and to tell the minister about the situation as the member for Roberval. I was in my riding last weekend and I was there last week too. I went to Démo Forêt 2000, in Dolbeau-Mistassini, in the riding of Roberval, and the whole forest industry from my riding was there.

One has to see the tragedy that hundreds of workers are going through, logging machine owners and truck owners with payments of $3,000, $4,000 or $5,000 a month, people who normally earn their living honestly by transporting tree-length wood from the northern area of Lake St. John down to our sawmills. One has to see these people who, for the most part, have not worked at all since last spring.

It is not because the plant they transport lumber for is not operating anymore, but because it is working at a slower pace, since stocks are being depleted and the owners of big plants are saying “I cannot carry on forestry operations, I am dipping into my reserve. Because of the softwood lumber crisis, I will soon be running into a problem. I cannot pay the duties and produce in the same way”.

The drama is underway in the riding of Roberval. I would like to tell the minister, an MP from an urban riding, who must still have the sensitivity, as Minister for International Trade, of an MP from a rural riding or a forestry region and understand that the human and economic dramas unfolding at the moment are directly linked to the conflict with the United States. The drama has been taking place in our families for several months already. Small logging companies in the riding of Roberval are just about all at a standstill, or nearly.

On Sunday afternoon in my riding, I met the owner of a small sawmill employing 50 people in a community where there is no other employment. She told me “I stopped activity, as I usually do in the winter, but I have started again, and I am going as slowly as possible. I expect to stop soon. I cannot imagine paying 27% in taxes. My profit margin is nowhere near that amount. I will not survive. I hope the government will give us some help”.

Is it not the responsibility of the government, after waging the softwood lumber war, to help business? I give it credit for the softwood lumber war, and it must continue to fight it. What I am saying is not partisan, however, the government and its ministers also have to assume responsibility and realize that a serious drama is unfolding. The government has the means to help the industry.

As it is the victim of a trade war, the Bloc Quebecois has shown its creative side. We have tabled a recovery plan. We decided that, if the government supported the big companies with loan guarantees enabling them to absorb the cost of the American surtax, we would succeed in helping the big companies.

There are two or three ways the government could provide assistance to small businesses. We are talking about diversification and an assistance fund for small businesses. The government must provide guarantees to support small plants, to give them hope in the future, to make the banks trust them, because banks have come to realize that there is a crisis in the softwood lumber industry due to our trade war with the U.S. The government must help the workers. I can only think of the families, the heads of the families who will have to rely on an EI program which does not provide benefits for all that long—nobody can argue with that—has very high eligibility criteria and ignores older workers.

The government must set up a massive, well-targeted program for each of its client groups. It is our duty to support regional economies. The government not only has the duty, but it has the means. What a great opportunity. We have the means. The government has the means to provide assistance to the regions, the small businesses, the big corporations, families and small businesspeople who are having trouble making ends meet. It is its responsibility.

Our responsibility is to suggest ways to go about it. We have done that, but, just like the industry and the workers, we will never agree with the minister when he has the gall to say “There is no crisis in the softwood lumber industry. There are only management problems, and our regular programs will be enough”.

What we have here is an exceptional situation. I urge the government to take exceptional measures to support our regional economies; otherwise, things will turn ugly in the next few months in regions like Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean and the riding of Roberval. I will not be able to just stand there and watch.

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1:35 p.m.

Edmonton Southeast Alberta

Liberal

David Kilgour LiberalSecretary of State (Asia-Pacific)

Mr. Speaker, I really appreciated the speech made by the hon. member, but I wonder if he could be a little more specific.

It goes without saying that there is a crisis in the softwood lumber industry. Could the hon. member give us some figures that apply, for example, to his own riding? Could he give us figures for the province of Quebec? In his opinion, how many people are now out of work? What can he suggest in terms of specific programs? Finally, does he support a tax on softwood lumber exports?

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1:35 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Gauthier Bloc Roberval, QC

Mr. Speaker, I think that I can detect, through the questions of the secretary of state, a degree of openness and a desire to answer the pressing plea that I made.

I should point out to the hon. member that the figures that we have were provided to us by very reliable sources, namely the lumber manufacturers' association and Statistics Canada. There is also a number of other useful sources. All told, we are talking about 35,000 direct jobs in plants and in the forest, for Quebec alone.

My region is hit, but I do not know to what degree. According to the most recent figures available on unemployment in urban centres, Jonquière/Chicoutimi, or the Ville Saguenay area, is the urban centre where the unemployment rate is the highest in the country. This is related to the softwood lumber issue, because there are many workers in that sector in the whole Saguenay region.

I do not have official figures for the riding of Roberval. However, I have travelled around the riding over the past two weeks and there are almost no plants operating at full capacity, if we consider that those operating almost at capacity have, for the most part, cut back their logging operations. It has to be understood that a whole process is involved, and so when a crisis hits one end of it, the first thing to be cut is production, logging, harvesting and so on, and the plants try to gradually reduce their supplies of wood.

So, already at this point, there is not a single plant in Roberval that has not cut either logging operations or shifts or simply sent workers home or not resumed operations when it normally would.

So we have a terrible situation and I am going to give you an example. In my riding, we have a company that deals with logging trucks, and it has the highest sales in eastern Canada, in the riding of Roberval. I was told it had essentially stopped selling trucks, because logs are no longer being transported. So the market is flooded with logging trucks for sale, logging machinery, harvesters and all sorts of related equipment.

Even a layman can see that this is a terrible tragedy. When one meets with these workers, there is no need to provide them with statistics. When the cry comes from the heart and we are told that there are 15 of them who have not worked at all for six months because of the slowdown in operations, and that they do not expect to work again this year because the sawmills have been hit by the softwood lumber crisis, statistics are irrelevant. Clearly, this is a tragedy.

As for the specific measures, the Bloc Quebecois has tabled a solid document, which I invite the secretary of state to examine.

We are prepared to co-operate, to sit down with them, to supply figures, to contribute. But first, the government must send a signal to the industry—a signal of hope—and say, “Yes, we admit that there is a problem, and we are going to do something to help the industry and workers”.

Once that is done, and party lines are set aside, we can work together and come up with something that will protect people. That is our objective on this side, and I am sure that, in the end, it could be the objective of the secretary of state or of some of the members across the way. All they have to do is get the government on board.

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1:40 p.m.

Bloc

Antoine Dubé Bloc Lévis-Et-Chutes-De-La-Chaudière, QC

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for Roberval has just given an excellent speech concerning the regions in his riding in particular.

I shall complete the member for Roberval's response to the question from the secretary of state—whom I thank for asking it—as to what exactly the situation is in Quebec.

For Quebec, this means 250 plants that create work, 35,000 direct jobs in plants or in the forest, 250 municipalities affected, 100% of job creation in 135 towns or villages, and $4 billion injected into the economy. Let us keep in mind that Quebec is the second ranking province affected by the problem, accounting nonetheless for 25% of Canadian production. The expanse of forest In Quebec is bigger than a number of countries, covering 646,000 square kilometers.

In the year 2000, Quebec's softwood lumber production totalled in excess of 17 million board feet. In 2000, Quebec's hardwood lumber production was 1,335,000 board feet. Out of Quebec's total softwood lumber exports, 54.5% goes to the United States, as does 41.9% of its hardwood lumber exports. Exports to the other provinces account for 42.9%. That is the situation.

I am from the Chaudière-Appalaches region, which is opposite Quebec City, across the river, and extends as far as Beauce. It includes Beauce, Lotbinière, Bellechasse, Montmagny and Lévis. This region has 2,000 forest workers and 6,000 plant workers, producing one billion dollars worth of exports to the United States annually. One billion is far from peanuts.

The Secretary of State wondered what exactly the Bloc was proposing. Of course, for the major companies—and there are some big businesses in this field—this would be an extension of what Canada Export and Development could do. It used to be EDC, the Export Development Corporation. It could provide loan guarantees to these major companies. In my region, however, it is mainly the small companies that are affected. Most of them are not registered with this federal agency.

So what we want is to see the companies gain a little time. It could be up to six months. The Bloc is asking for six months of special assistance to the small and medium business sector, until the legal or intergovernmental squabble is over, the discussions that are going on with the United States.

What is needed is a program which could cover up to 50% of the salaries of affected employees. Without this, what will happen? People will have to receive EI benefits. Which would the government prefer? Keep people working, or let them go on EI? We know what will happen. People will go on EI, with all that this means in terms of loss of dignity for those workers affected.

These are the sorts of measures we are proposing. The Bloc Quebecois has put forward a plan, which would take the form of special assistance for at least six months, until the situation becomes clearer. It would cost about $500 or $600 million for all of Canada. As the hon. member for Roberval just said, there is a surplus right now. The government can afford to do something about this crisis.

I would like to add a special note here. In my riding, there are two companies which are directly affected by the softwood lumber dispute. One of them went bankrupt on Friday. These people are going through this situation this week. I need hardly say that I will be trying to find a solution. However, how does one convince a banker to delay payment schedules?

I am going to mention a specific example. I called someone who had to extend a loan or extend his room to manoeuvre.

The person to whom I spoke, whom I will not name here, told me “Yes, Mr. Dubé, you say that you think that there will be a federal assistance program. I have just read the newspaper and the Minister for International Trade said 'Oh, but the difficulties are not just because of the problems of U.S. countervailing duties. It is a natural restructuring phenomenon'”.

The previous day, I had tried to reach this person. Finally, on Thursday, I read in the newspapers what the minister said. “Do not get excited. There is no problem. It is a problem, but there is no real loss of jobs”. In contrast, the Canadian Manufacturers' Association said “Already, 1,800 jobs have been lost and, in the weeks to come, as the duties take effect—which will be May 23—this number will rise much higher”.

Yesterday, I was in my riding and I know that this situation is having an impact on those not directly affected, such as people who work in hardware stores, those who sell lumber, and those who sell it after it is processed, even if only to immediate clients. Even for these folks, it is traumatic.

We see this with banking institutions. I am not talking about large banking institutions, but about those in ridings. They are worried because if a particular caisse populaire makes a loan to a company and it is not paid back, shareholders will be affected.

I quoted figures earlier. There is more than just the 35,000 or 38,000 jobs in Quebec to be considered. The multiplier effect all this has on the economy must be considered. I consulted no economist this morning, but I know there is a multiplier effect of at least four. This is the way it has to been seen. It involves other jobs.

It can also lead to bankruptcies. The bankruptcy of one small business can result in four or five others. In the final month before declaring bankruptcy, the owner alone may be aware of the facts. He is afraid, so he does not pay his latest bills. When he does not pay these bills, others are affected.

In short, Mr. Speaker, I know that you understand the situation very well, because there are people in your riding working in this area. The crisis is much more serious than it first appears. Given the present figures, even though spring has arrived, this sort of thing snowballs and creates an even more serious psychological climate in the lumber sales sector.

Therefore, I congratulate my colleague from Joliette for introducing a motion on behalf of the Bloc Quebecois on this opposition day in order to debate the situation. I thank the Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific for his concern over this matter; although international development is his focus, it does not prevent him from being very aware, according to his question, of the concerns of the people in his riding, his region and even people in Quebec or British Columbia.

We have a full blown crisis, a real catastrophe. We must all drop partisanship and appeal to everyone so that an assistance program may be set up quickly and as a priority to enable these people not only to save their companies but also to save jobs and prevent the very serious consequences this could have on regional economy.

In this regard, I wanted to join with the other Bloc members to speak to this debate. I note a sensitivity and a receptiveness, as in the case of the last speaker. I tell myself that on days like today, it is worth speaking in parliament, because people listen and want to act. If they do so, I encourage them to do it quickly.

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1:50 p.m.

Edmonton Southeast Alberta

Liberal

David Kilgour LiberalSecretary of State (Asia-Pacific)

Mr. Speaker, could the hon. member tell us whether or not he supports a tax on softwood lumber exports? Has he had time to think about this? Does he feel that there are other means that are more effective than a tax on softwood lumber exports?

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1:50 p.m.

Bloc

Antoine Dubé Bloc Lévis-Et-Chutes-De-La-Chaudière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I almost regret having said nice things about the hon. member, because now he is asking me a difficult question. I must admit that I did not look at the issue from this perspective.

The hon. member is talking about a tax. I hope he does not mean a corporate tax because, in addition to countervailing duties, these companies would indirectly have to add something themselves. I hope this is not what he means.

As for a tax, I would not go so far as to say what someone once told me. Not knowing what to reply, that person blurted out an answer, but the next day it turned out that the answer was completely false. Honestly, I would rather leave that question to the hon. member for Joliette. He is a well-known economist and a former economics teacher. I would not want to answer on his behalf. He will guide us.

However, something must be done quickly. Taxes are usually announced in a budget speech. We must not wait until April of next year for the Minister of Finance to announce some measure to help companies, because the government must provide that help now.

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1:55 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Jim Abbott Canadian Alliance Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Speaker, I was very interested in the member's comments about the situation in Quebec. Of course we have very much a mirror image in British Columbia.

I would like him to consider a proposition. I believe that this entire problem with respect to the U.S. getting away with bringing these unfair and uncalled for punitive penalties against the people in our respective constituencies is a direct result of the Liberals just completely ignoring this effort. There was a five year period of time when there was peace as far as this issue was concerned, because we were on a quota system. I contend that within this period of time, and in the last two years in particular, the government had a serious responsibility in regard to the million people in Canada who work in the forest industry, a responsibility to make American users of our excellent products aware of what their companies were attempting to do.

Let me repeat that a million people work in the forest industry. I put a tremendous amount of responsibility at the feet of this government for not doing what it should have been doing prior to the expiry of the softwood lumber agreement. Officials should have been in the United States making Home Depot, all its users and all the contractors aware of this situation so that we would not be faced with this. I wonder if the member agrees with me.

SupplyGovernment Orders

1:55 p.m.

Bloc

Antoine Dubé Bloc Lévis-Et-Chutes-De-La-Chaudière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I certainly agree with the hon. member. However, he is asking us to blame the government. But, unless I am mistaken, what the hon. member for Joliette is looking for with his motion—and we can lay the blame on the culprit later on—is a quick solution. We need a solution to a problem that confronts us now.

The hon. member is absolutely right. Other measures should have been taken over the past five years. Instead of just waiting until the end of the five year agreement, the government should have begun sooner. Now that we are faced with the problem, I join my voice to that of the hon. member for Joliette and those of my Bloc Quebecois colleagues in asking for a specific assistance program for that industry, and not some global program that would include other initiatives, with the result that we would never know if it will work or not.

We must make a decision on special measures now. We must do it quickly and make it a priority for this industry.

National Nursing WeekStatements By Members

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

Jeannot Castonguay Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Mr. Speaker, every May, during National Nursing Week, we highlight and celebrate the contribution made by nurses throughout the year.

Registered nurses have a long tradition of caring for families as well as the knowledge and skills required to make a difference in the health care sector.

This year the theme of National Nursing Week is “Nurses Always There For You: Caring for Families”.

Every family is structured differently and has different roles. In all settings, there is a close relationship of trust between nursing professionals and individual family members, as well as with the family as a whole.

These relationships allow nurses to act as strong advocates in determining the best public policies for family health.

We have a responsibility to work with all citizens to promote health, prevent illness and provide health care treatments and rehabilitation. I encourage everyone to be inspired by professional pride and to participate actively in National Nursing Week.

Correctional Service of CanadaStatements By Members

1:55 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Kevin Sorenson Canadian Alliance Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, investigative journalist Michael Harris has produced facts, figures and quotes in his rather scathing indictment of our correctional system.

The solicitor general and the commissioner of Correctional Service of Canada's only response to these alarming revelations is to malign the author of the powerful book Con Game . Dismissing the book as “full of half truths and outrageous statements”, the solicitor general is turning a blind eye to scary realities within Canada's prisons, realities that are resulting in death and serious harm to individuals both inside and outside prison walls.

I implore the solicitor general to immediately call for a royal commission to either dispel or prove the many disturbing allegations that convincingly demonstrate that our prisons are “awash with drugs and alcohol, violent and frighteningly unaccountable” behaviour because they are places “where the criminal is king.”

Health ResearchStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to bring to the attention of the House the creation of three new research chairs in transplantation.

This joint announcement was made by the President of the CanadianInstitutes of Health Research, Dr. Alan Bernstein, and the CEO of Wyeth-Ayers Canada Inc., Mr. Aldo Baumgartner.

Dr. Norma Kneteman, of the University of Alberta, will conduct research with the aim of reducing the toxicity of immunosuppressive therapies and develop prevention models for recurring hepatitis C, the leading indication for a liver transplant.

Dr. James Shapiro, also from the University of Alberta, and Director of the “Edmonton Protocol” Team, will conduct research in pancreatic islet transplantation that could ultimately reduce or eliminate the need for people with type 1 diabetes to take insulin.

The University of Toronto's Dr. Li Zhang will investigate the mechanisms involved in donor-specific transplant tolerance.

This demonstrates the importance of research at the national level, thanks to the constant co-operation between universities and the pharmaceutical industry.

TD Canada Trust ScholarshipStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Nancy Karetak-Lindell Liberal Nunavut, NU

Mr. Speaker, today Sean Doherty of Iqaluit, Nunavut received a 2002 TD Canada Trust Scholarship for Outstanding Community Leadership.

Sean organizes and teaches swimming for disadvantaged children in Iqaluit. These Loonie Lessons let the children have fun in a safe environment while teaching them listening and interpersonal skills. Sean is also president of the student council at Inuksuk High School, volunteers on a phone help line, sits on a youth court advisory panel, and represented his high school and Nunavut at the Canadian Youth Against Impaired Driving Conference. Sean plans to pursue a medical career, returning ultimately to Nunavut to practice medicine.

I proudly ask my colleagues to join me in congratulating Sean and wishing him success in his future plans. I want to thank Sean, Mutna.

Youth WeekStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Oak Ridges, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to announce before the House today that the week of May 5 to 11 is youth week in Markham.

Markham Youth Week, organized by the Markham mayor's youth task force and local area youth councils, is in conjunction with International Youth Week which originated in 1995 and has rapidly grown to its present international status.

Youth week encourages collaboration on many levels: between young people of various backgrounds, community groups, and between young and old. Youth week will promote the opportunity to become part of building stronger and more sustainable communities. Various events will take place throughout the community to bring the youth of Markham and the surrounding areas together. I take this opportunity to commend their efforts.

With initiatives such as this we will promote and develop a generation of aware, competent and responsible leaders prepared to address the social and environmental issues that challenge us today, toward a brighter and healthier future.

NorwayStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Jim Abbott Canadian Alliance Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Alliance would like to welcome King Harald V and Queen Sonja of Norway for their first official visit to Canada.

Norwegians were the first western explorers to reach Canada. They were courageous fellow combatants during the war. As fellow northerners we share deep cultural roots with Norwegians and we face many of the same problems. We have much to learn from Norway about issues like aquaculture and offshore oil. Our relationship can only prosper from closer economic ties.

I wish in particular to thank Norwegians for their contribution to the growth and development of western Canada. Thousands of them moved west to find new opportunities in the early part of the last century. They suffered many hardships homesteading on the prairies, carving out the land for all Canadians to enjoy.

We hope the royals will be able to come again soon for a longer stay that will enable them to travel and meet people of Norwegian heritage in all parts of Canada including my assistant whose grandparents, named Moxness, came from Trondheim, Norway.

I say velkommen til Canada.

Cystic Fibrosis MonthStatements By Members

May 7th, 2002 / 2 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to remind my colleagues and all Canadians that May has been declared Cystic Fibrosis Month.

Cystic fibrosis is a deadly genetic disease affecting primarily the respiratory and digestive systems, with the most devastating damage taking place in the lungs. Approximately 1 in every 2,500 children born in Canada has the disease and yet there is no known cure.

The cystic fibrosis foundation has made substantial progress over the past 40 years. In 1960 the median age of survival for a child with the disease was just four years. Today the median age of survival has increased to over 30 years. I congratulate the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation for its achievements.

I ask members to please join me in extending our best wishes for a successful Cystic Fibrosis Month to patients, their caregivers and those who are searching for a cure.

National Nursing WeekStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga—Maisonneuve, QC

Mr. Speaker, every year, National Nursing Week offers us an opportunity to draw attention to the essential contribution made by nurses to health care and to the wellbeing of the population.

Nurses have a long tradition of caring for families, and they have the necessary knowledge and skill to make a difference. Their theme this year, moreover, is, “Always There for You: Caring for Families”.

Nurses constantly promote better public policies for family health, in order to promote health, prevent illness and provide the entire population with quality treatment, care and rehabilitation services.

Let us all take an active part, with pride, in National Nursing Week.