House of Commons Hansard #437 of the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was petition.

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Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

7:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Mr. Speaker, I respect the hon. member's question. Certainly any act that advocates on behalf of victims is noble. Any act that would put the well-being of women and children first and foremost is absolutely to be commended.

However, there are allowances made within this bill that would in fact allow people off with very small fines or penalties after committing extremely heinous crimes. I would also like to add that if the member opposite and his colleagues are interested in the well-being of victims, it probably would have been a good idea to consult with them in the creation of this bill. That was not adequately done.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

7:55 p.m.

NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault NDP Sherbrooke, QC

Mr. Speaker, I too was surprised to hear my colleague talk about heckling, because she is part of the Conservative caucus, which does most of the heckling in the House. Every day, during question period, that is the caucus that makes the most noise. I am surprised to hear her say that there is too much noise in the House. I would like to know whether the Conservative Party has a new, no-heckling policy for debates in the House, including question period.

My question is actually very specific. I know it is not directly related to the bill, but since the member raised the issue of heckling in the House, I would like to know whether the Conservative Party intends to introduce a no-heckling policy during question period.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

7:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Mr. Speaker, Conservatives have always had a policy of standing up for victims and placing them as our first priority. We have always had a policy of advocating for Canadians who live everyday lives. We have always had a policy of making sure that our justice system is strengthened and that the most vulnerable among us are advocated for. We will continue that legacy when we form government in October.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

7:55 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Mr. Speaker, we looked at this bill for dozens of hours at the justice committee, and I think I was looking at a different bill than the one the member was referring to. I would like to point out two inaccuracies in her comments.

First, terrorism and genocide offences were not hybridized under this bill.

Second, and more important, offences are not given lesser penalties under this bill. There are many offences that were already hybridized in Canada before this bill. All that hybridization does is allow the Crown to choose between an indictable and a summary type of offence. Under indictable offences, which they were before, the maximum sentence was five, seven or 10 years, but the minimum sentence could have been a fine. Therefore, there is no difference in minimum sentences and there is also the possibility of looking at the facts of the case and prosecuting it as a summary offence.

I would like to ask if the member was aware, before she gave her remarks, that terrorism and genocide offences were not hybridized under this bill?

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

7:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Mr. Speaker, certainly when this bill was first brought forward, terrorism and genocide were included within hybridization. However, due to pressure that was applied by the Conservative members in this House as well as by members of the Canadian public, the Liberals did walk those two back, so I will give them credit for that.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Speaker, Cody Legebokoff is Canada's youngest serial killer. He heinously killed four young women in my riding. He just started serving his time, but recently he was transferred to medium security. I want to ask our hon. colleague what she feels about the current government's lack of priority for victims' rights. Cody Legebokoff should be behind bars—

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

I am sorry; I have to allow the hon. member for Lethbridge 30 seconds to respond.

Order. I ask the hon. member for Cariboo—Prince George and others, and the member for St. Catharines—

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

Order. Order. That is enough. I am looking at who is talking right now. The member for Cariboo—Prince George has to stop.

Order. We do not need those gestures by the member for St. Catharines.

I am going to ask the hon. member for Lethbridge to respond in 30 seconds.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Mr. Speaker, I think the bottom line is this: Those who find themselves elected in this place find themselves in a very honoured position and have every responsibility to stand up for the rights of victims first and foremost. Bill C-75 fails to do that.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

Order. It being 8 p.m., pursuant to order made earlier today, it is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith every question necessary to dispose of the amendments tabled by the Senate to Bill C-75 now before the House.

Order. What I am hearing is over here. Order. I have spoken to both members, and I expect them both to be silent and keep their hands down for a while.

The question is as follows—

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

Okay, I am going to ask the hon. member for Cariboo—Prince George to go outside for a while and take a little break until he can calm down, until he can be in here without reacting to what he is hearing.

The question is on the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

No.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

Some hon. members

Yea.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

All those opposed will please say nay.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

Some hon. members

Nay.

Motion in relation to Senate amendmentsCriminal CodeGovernment Orders

8 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

In my opinion the yeas have it.

And five or more members having risen:

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Vote #1379

Criminal CodeGovernment Orders

8:40 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

I declare the motion carried.

The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-100, An Act to implement the Agreement between Canada, the United States of America and the United Mexican States, be read the second time and referred to a committee, and of the amendment.

Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement Implementation ActGovernment Orders

8:45 p.m.

The Speaker Geoff Regan

The hon. member for Nanaimo—Ladysmith has four minutes remaining in his speech.

Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement Implementation ActGovernment Orders

8:45 p.m.

Green

Paul Manly Green Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to stand again to speak to the new NAFTA. I appreciate the Liberal Party giving me some time to speak about this.

When I left off, I was talking about investor-state dispute settlement and my appreciation that this part of NAFTA was removed. I know it will take three years for it to be completely removed and that some corporations will still be able to use that provision against Canadian laws and policies that get in the way of their profits.

I think it is time to get rid of investor-state provisions in all our trade agreements. It is undemocratic, and it undermines our sovereignty. As we have seen in many cases, such as in Bilcon v. Canada, three arbitration lawyers, whose only interest is keeping the system going, sit in a room and make decisions on our environmental assessment process.

In Bilcon v. Canada, there was a proposed quarry at Digby Neck. The community came out and experts came out and talked about the problems with the quarry. It was an area where the endangered North Atlantic right whales had their calving grounds. There was tourism for whale watching. There was lobster fishing. The community did not want the quarry. When the environmental assessment review panel ruled against Bilcon, after years of environmental assessments, Bilcon was able to take the dispute to a NAFTA panel. Bilcon wanted $470 million. It walked away with $7 million. That is outrageous. Using these kinds of processes to challenge our laws and policies is antithetical to democracy.

Investor-state provisions are being used in developing countries to force through extraction projects or to make developing countries pay through the nose.

A good example of this is Crystallex, a Canadian mining development company. It challenged Venezuela using investor-state provisions after Venezuela decided, on behalf of its indigenous population, that the Crystallex mine would not be in the interest of the indigenous population. It was a threat to the environment. Tenor Capital paid for the arbitration lawyers and invested $30 million. Crystallex ended up getting $1.2 billion in a settlement in this investor-state dispute, and Tenor Capital walked away with a 1,000% return, or $300 million. It is obscene.

I could give members example after example of these kinds of situations. I am glad this is out of NAFTA.

I am also glad to see that the proportionality clause is gone. Under this clause, we had to continue to export the same amount of energy to the United States, on average, as we had in the previous three years.

However, as I was saying earlier, there are a few things that disappoint me about the new NAFTA.

First is the extension of biological patents for pharmaceutical drugs. This is important for products like insulin and for people who have Crohn's disease. People are already struggling with the cost of pharmaceutical drugs. We need drug costs to come down. We must have a national pharmacare program rather than more money for big pharma.

Second is article 22, the carve-out for the Trans Mountain expansion. It looks to me as though it will continue to be a state-owned corporation, which is concerning.

Third is having bovine growth hormone in the American milk and dairy products we will import.

I am thankful for the opportunity to speak to the bill.

Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement Implementation ActGovernment Orders

8:50 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I am very proud of the fact that we have had a government in the last three and a half years that has recognized the true value of trade. The trade agreement between Canada and Mexico further supports the fact that Canada is a trading nation. Having these trade agreements helps facilitate and secure markets. That helps Canada's middle class and those aspiring to become a part of it. It helps drive our economy. We are looking for new trade with new nations and with our best friends to the south.

Would the Green Party be in a position at some point in time where it would support a trade agreement or would it be more inclined to take the same approach to trade as the New Democrats?