House of Commons Hansard #35 of the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chair.

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Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

Madam Chair, will the minister make it a condition that the owner-operator fleet separation will be maintained under this new Clearwater deal? The company should not be able to use this new partnership to get around the provisions that legislate owner-operator and fleet separation. Also, the inshore fleet will continue to own those licences and they will be operated as the law outlines.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, as I said, the previous government actually gutted the Fisheries Act. It was our government that put provisions back in place to make sure that we addressed owner-operator, and to make sure that we addressed the protection of fish and fish habitat for the long-term sustainability of the fishery.

We take no direction from the Conservatives when it comes to making sure that the Fisheries Act is where it needs to be. We have made sure that we are doing everything we possibly can to address fisheries in Atlantic Canada and on all coasts.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

Madam Chair, the minister is back on her talking points. Folks down east know the steps the previous government, as well as the Liberal government, took to ensure owner-operator fleet separation was first enshrined in regulation, cleaned up and then passed into law.

We are looking for clear answers on this. Are you going to ensure that this corporate deal does not gut the owner-operator fleet separation policies and that the inshore fishery will continue? Do not give us talking points that sidestep the question. Give us an answer. Fishers back home are listening and hanging on your every word because their livelihoods are at stake.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

I will remind the member that I cannot answer the question, but the minister will be able to.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, it was our government that actually enshrined owner-operator in legislation. It was our government that put owner-operator in the Fisheries Act as legislation. This is something we are committed to, and we will continue to be committed to it. Regulations are ongoing and we will make sure that this is—

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Abbotsford.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair, I am here to advocate for B.C.'s recreational angling industry, as well as for the wild salmon on the west coast that are in precipitous decline.

Between April and August of this year, the minister's department imposed unprecedented Chinook closures on the public fishery in Howe Sound. These closures have had a devastating effect on Vancouver's recreational angling industry.

Why were there closures?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

South Shore—St. Margarets Nova Scotia

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan LiberalMinister of Fisheries

Madam Chair, our government acknowledges that it has been a real challenge for B.C. with regard to Pacific salmon fishery participants, including the anglers. Conservation-based fishery management measures continue. We need to make sure that we are looking forward to future years given the poor status of the stocks. That is one of the reasons these decisions were made. We know that it is difficult, but we are continuing to work to make sure that we can grow the stocks. We are investing in—

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Abbotsford.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair, Howe Sound has historically had an extremely low encounter rate on wild Chinook stocks, and a high prevalence of marked hatchery Chinook available for anglers to keep.

Why did the minister impose a closure on Chinook fishing in Howe Sound when she knew the devastating impact it would have on the public fishery?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, the at-risk Fraser River chinook salmon stocks face a number of significant challenges. Their road to recovery requires a long-term view and close collaboration with first nations, as well as with all stakeholders in the province.

We have made significant management measures, introduced in 2019, to protect the chinook. They were difficult but they were necessary. These decisions were made to continue and strengthen these conservation measures in 2020—

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Abbotsford.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair, the minister did not quite answer the question, but I am going to move on to the mass marking of salmon.

Marking hatchery fish allows anglers to release wild salmon back into the water, but keep the plentiful hatchery salmon. I am looking at a 2001 DFO policy document entitled “A Policy for Selective Fishing in Canada's Pacific Fisheries”. Is that policy still in effect?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, as I have said a number of times tonight, the mark selective fishery is one possible option that can be explored in terms of fish retention, while reducing impacts on wild salmon. I am not adverse to a mark selective fishery. I want to make sure that as we go forward, we are doing it in the right way.

There are challenges with regard to the impacts that hatchery fish have on the wild population. We need to make sure that we have the right data. We need to make sure that we have the right measures in place to go forward with a mark selective fishery—

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Abbotsford.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair, I note the minister did not answer the question. I asked her, is that policy still in effect? I have to assume that it is. She is the minister after all.

I refer the minister to page eight of that policy, which states, “...mass marking of hatchery fish has proven to be a useful technique to distinguish harvestable enhanced salmon stocks from wild stocks destined for release.”

At the fisheries committee in June, we asked the minister why only 10% of hatchery salmon are being marked. She was unable to fully answer our question, so I will ask it again: Why is she marking only 10% of hatchery fish, when mass marking would dramatically improve sport fishing opportunities without impacting our wild salmon stocks?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, there are valid concerns that need to be thoroughly understood. For instance, the mark-selective fisheries will still encounter wild chinook. We need to make sure that the mortality of stocks of concern are accounted for as we move forward with an MSF, so that they do not adversely impact the wild stocks.

We know that this is an important initiative for recreational fishers. We want to work with them to find the best ways forward, but we know that to do this work, there need to be a lot more consultations done. The department is currently conducting a pilot project with regard to the hatchery chinook in conjunction with the project exploring the applications of new stock assessments. These are all things that have to be done as we move forward. It is extremely important for recreational fishers, but we have to make sure that we protect the wild Pacific salmon stocks.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair, I do not believe the minister understands the issue. One hundred per cent of those hatchery fish are being released into the wild. Only 10% are being marked. The 90% are out there interacting with wild salmon, so there is no additional incremental impact on those wild salmon by marking 100% of them.

Again, will the minister today agree to mark 100% of the hatchery salmon that are released into the wild?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, in speaking with the sport fishers in B.C. as well as with environmental organizations, I agree how the MSF can offer potential benefits for fisheries, and I tend to agree with them. However, it is incumbent on me, as the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, to balance this with the full understanding of the issue and the potential resource requirements needed to mitigate all of the challenges and concerns.

We need to make sure that we are protecting the wild Pacific salmon, but we know that there can be a path forward with regard to a mark selective fishery and we are working diligently to try to find that path forward.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair, the time for delay is over. There can be no more procrastination.

Washington state selectively marks 100% of its hatchery salmon, providing ample opportunities for American sport fishers to catch and keep marked hatchery salmon. However, here in southern B.C., the minister has failed to implement mass marking of hatchery fish and instead shut down the whole chinook fishery.

Why will the minister not do for Canadian anglers what the Americans are doing for theirs?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, as I have said, I am not adverse to mark-selective fisheries. We just need to make sure that, as we go forward, we are doing it in the right way to make sure that we are protecting the chinook salmon.

These measures are difficult. We know the anglers want a more robust fishery. We want that for them. We are also carefully considering requests for a mark-selective fishery of chinook and mark-selective fishery opportunities. Further consultations are planned, and we seek their input on the benefits and how we can best go forward with this.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

November 24th, 2020 / 9 p.m.

Liberal

Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Madam Chair, I will be speaking for approximately seven minutes and for the remaining eight minutes I will have questions for the minister.

I am happy to be here tonight to talk about some of the important investments that this government is making in our communities when it comes to supporting our fisheries and coastal areas, especially those in my riding. In Cape Breton—Canso, the hard-working women and men who make up our fisheries support rural and coastal communities. Their catches end up on tables across Canada, providing Canadians with high-quality, sustainable seafood, year-round.

We have heard tonight that fisheries are the backbone of many of our rural communities. We understand how important it is that our ocean environment is protected in order to support healthy, productive fisheries. That is why it is critically important to make investments that will support communities in accessing shared ocean resources and spur innovation as we deal with impacts due to climate change and ocean pollution.

I would like to talk about a few of the DFO investments that are particularly important in communities across my riding of Cape Breton—Canso. I would like to start with small craft harbours.

Investments in infrastructure are critical to economic development in rural communities. That includes marine infrastructure. Here in Cape Breton—Canso, marine infrastructure is vital to so many of our small communities that rely on the ocean for their livelihoods. Our government knows this. That is why, since 2016, there has been about $484 million invested in new funding for the small craft harbours program. This is on top of the program's ongoing regular annual budget of $90 million.

This represents more than 800 projects that are instrumental in keeping commercial fishing harbours safe and accessible for the benefit of coastal communities across this great country. These investments have supported the growth of coastal communities across Canada, but we cannot stop there. We need to continue to make these critical investments that will keep rural and coastal communities resilient, especially now during these unprecedented times.

I would like to focus now just a little on the Atlantic fisheries fund. Like small craft harbours, the government is committed to promoting innovation in the fish and seafood sector. That is why in March of 2017, $325 million was invested in the Atlantic fisheries fund. This fund allows the seafood sector even more future success by supporting market entry and growth, creating jobs and of course supporting coastal communities that rely on the marine economy.

This federal-provincial joint funding program has been used to acquire state-of-the-art processing equipment, implement innovative processes for automation, improve infrastructure and other projects that will generate great opportunities for the sector. This fund has supported many projects in my riding, focusing on the expansion of operations at various seafood processing centres like Louisbourg Seafoods in Canso, allowing them to reach markets around the world and, in turn, making a substantial investment to our economy.

In addition to the investments in the Atlantic fisheries fund and small craft harbours, our government also understands the importance of investing in clean technology, which is why, in 2017, $20 million was invested directly into clean technology for the industry. This program will help protect our environment while developing sustainable fisheries. It will also accelerate the use of sustainable and more efficient tools, practices and techniques in producing and harvesting Canadian seafood. I am happy that our government will continue to promote sustainable and inclusive growth for the middle class and that we are committed to protecting our oceans and marine resources for future generations of Canadians.

I would also like to spend a little time just talking about the measures this government has taken when it comes to combatting marine plastic pollution. It is the end of 2020 and we are entering 2021. We know now, more than ever, that we need to do our part to keep our environment clean of plastics and other pollution. This is especially true for our oceans.

Canada has shown leadership on innovation in fisheries, including industry-led initiatives addressing ghost gear and, for our whales, safe gear technology. Marine litter, particular ghost fishing gear, is one of the biggest threats to our oceans. I was proud to see that earlier this year, DFO hosted the first international Gear Innovation Summit to focus on important areas of industry innovation. This summit provided an opportunity for harvesters, technical experts, non-governmental officials and government agencies to share information and learn about innovative technologies and programming aimed at the prevention, reduction and retrieval of ghost gear, and reduce the impact of fishery activities on mammals.

During 2018, at the G7 meeting in Halifax, Canada strengthened its domestic and international commitment to address marine litter by signing on to the Global Ghost Gear Initiative. As a signatory to this initiative, our government is committed to improving the health of marine ecosystems, safeguarding human health and livelihoods and protecting marine life from harm.

The new ghost gear fund is one of the many actions announced under the strategy of zero plastic waste by this government to combat plastic waste in the environment, and it supports our commitment to the ocean plastics charter. This $8.3-million investment will assist indigenous groups, fish harvesters, the aquaculture industry, non-profits and communities to take concrete actions to support ghost gear prevention, retrieval and responsible disposal.

It will also support fish harvesters to acquire new gear technologies to reduce gear loss. This fund was identified by the Global Ghost Gear Initiative as the first time a national government has dedicated a specific funding program entirely to domestic and international ghost gear prevention and mitigation strategies. It is thanks to strategies like these that our government will be able to achieve its goals announced last week, the net zero emissions by 2050.

There is always more work to be done and we know this, but Canadians can count on this government to protect our environment, whether it is on the land or in the waters. We are making real investments to ensure that our environment will remain healthy for generations to come.

I would like to take the rest of my time to ask some questions of the hon. minister.

The Department of Fisheries and Oceans does important work in every corner of my diverse riding around small craft harbours, as I just mentioned, whether it is working with harvesters in Chéticamp to support their livelihood or working with residents in L'Ardoise to explore ways to improve their community's environment. The work of this department is so critical and so greatly appreciated in my riding. Again, small craft harbours provide support to the commercial fishing industry, and we are indebted to them.

The small craft harbour program keeps the harbours that are critical to the fishing industry open and in good repair. Can the minister tell us about the work that is being done and how that has positively impacted rural communities like the ones in my riding?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:10 p.m.

South Shore—St. Margarets Nova Scotia

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan LiberalMinister of Fisheries

Madam Chair, since 2016, we have announced over $484 million in new funding for small craft harbours. This is on top of the program's ongoing regular budget of $90 million. In total, this represents more than 800 projects.

We know how important small craft harbours are to our rural coastal communities. It is the infrastructure that drives our fishing sector. We need to make sure that it is safe, that it is reliable and that it is built to withstand climate change. We are seeing a lot of small craft harbours that have been challenged because of storm surges. We need to make sure that we are building resilient infrastructure. That is one of the reasons we are making significant investments in small craft harbours.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:10 p.m.

Liberal

Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Madam Chair, I am going to pivot on the next question, which is about COVID-19.

COVID-19 continues to have a large impact on this country. As we all know in the House and around Canada, many have been hard hit, and the men and women of the seafood industry are included in that.

I remember quite well, as does the minister, that when the pandemic hit, the government moved quickly to support harvesters and all those involved in the sector. My office has heard from countless harvesters on this, especially during the past season. I wonder if the minister could tell us a little more about the impacts that the support measures announced by our government will have or have had towards harvesters.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, the government moved quickly to make sure that we were there to support fish harvesters with the fish harvester benefit and grant program. This was almost a half a billion dollar program. It was one of the largest single investments in the fisheries since the cod moratorium.

It was extremely important for us to make sure that harvesters had the access they needed to make tough business decisions on a season that saw the collapse of export markets and the closure of restaurants. We needed to make sure that fish harvesters were able to make the right decisions about whether or not they were going to fish this year.

The money that was invested definitely helped the industry. We are excited to see that there has been a good season for the harvesters this year.