House of Commons Hansard #360 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Madam Speaker, I think that was the point I was trying to make. For the member for Waterloo to somehow intimate that I was saying the Speaker was biased is not correct.

I will answer the question the member raised that I think is important. I do not understand why we cannot do both of the things the member suggested: table the documents and go to committee. That is pretty simple, but it is only the Liberals who are standing in the way of moving it to committee right now.

My recommendation is for the member for Waterloo to go to caucus on Wednesday to say that the Liberals are losing this battle and to ask them to just cave and table the documents.

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An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I do want to remind the hon. member for Waterloo that she had an opportunity to ask a question. If she has anything else to add, she needs to wait until the appropriate time.

The hon. member for Edmonton West.

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Madam Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague from Calgary Signal Hill for his talk today. Just last Wednesday, we were studying this issue in public accounts. We actually had someone from the Privy Council Office tell us that they would not honour the order of the House of Commons until they received permission from one of the board's directors of the green slush fund, who had been convicted of violating the conflict of interest law.

What does it say about the government that the Privy Council Office is seeking permission from someone who violated our laws before they will honour the orders of Parliament?

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4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Madam Speaker, I am not sure that there is much that I could add to that, but nothing that comes out of this particular government, or testimony at committees about dealing with this particular government, surprises any of us anymore. It is a corrupt government. It is a government on its last leg. It is time for an election. There are 58 days before Christmas.

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4:40 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Kitchener Centre, Mental Health and Addictions; the hon. member for Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, Correctional Service of Canada; the hon. member for Spadina—Fort York, Democratic Institutions.

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4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Madam Speaker, I rise to speak on the subamendment arising from the Speaker's ruling in finding a prima facie question of privilege following the failure of the Liberal government to abide by a clear and unambiguous order of the House that was passed on June 10 by a majority of members. In fact, all members representing all of the opposition parties collectively voted in support of the motion that led to the order.

The order is very straightforward. It simply calls upon the Liberals to turn over all documents under their control with respect to Sustainable Development Technology Canada, better known as the Prime Minister's billion-dollar green slush fund, to the Parliamentary law clerk so that the Parliamentary law clerk can then hand over those documents to the RCMP. The order provided that the documents were to be handed over unredacted, and it should be noted that the RCMP has confirmed that it is investigating conflicts, corruption and potential criminality at this billion-dollar green slush fund during the time that the former minister of industry Navdeep Bains and the current minister of industry oversaw that slush fund.

I want to emphasize that the order of the House is not merely a request. It is not optional. It is not for the government to pick and choose which parts of the order it abides by and which parts it does not abide by. It is an order of the House that goes to the heart of parliamentary supremacy and the privileges of all members in the House. It is an order that has constitutional weight.

In that regard, I would draw attention to section 18 of the Constitution Act 1867, which states, “The privileges, immunities, and powers to be held, enjoyed, and exercised by the Senate and by the House of Commons, and by the members thereof respectively, shall be such as are from time to time defined by Act of the Parliament of Canada”. Among those privileges is the power of the House to call for persons, papers and records. Those powers are not in any way limited pursuant to the Standing Orders or any act or resolution passed by the House.

According to Bosc and Gagnon, at page 984, “The result is a broad, absolute power that on the surface appears to be without restriction. There is no limit on the types of papers likely to be requested; the only prerequisite is that the papers exist in hard copy or electronic format, and that they are located in Canada.” That was reaffirmed by the parliamentary law clerk when he testified at the public accounts committee last Tuesday. He said, as quoted in the blues, with respect to the production order, “the power of the House to compel the production of documents is a constitutional power that is a parliamentary privilege. It supersedes ordinary law”. The parliamentary law clerk further observed that the privileges of the House, including the power to order the production of papers, records and persons, fall within the ability of this House of Parliament to exercise its core functions. Among those core functions is the ability to investigate and to hold the government to account.

That is precisely the basis of the production order, to see that Parliament can get to the bottom of the conflict, mismanagement and corruption with respect to the green slush fund and that those documents are turned over to the RCMP so it can pursue a criminal investigation and lay charges where appropriate.

As I noted, the order was passed on June 10. The government had 30 days to turn over the documents. It has not come close to complying with the order. It has turned over some documents, but they are redacted. When the representative from the Prime Minister's department, the PCO, came before the public accounts committee, the bases upon which she asserted the redactions had been made were the Privacy Act, the Access to Information Act, solicitor-client privilege and cabinet confidence. Of course, that is completely unacceptable because, as the law clerk noted, the production order supersedes all of those things. The parliamentary law clerk was clear. The order supersedes ordinary law, so it will prevail over the Access to Information Act, the Privacy Act and, for example, solicitor-client privilege.

Notwithstanding that, representing, again, the Prime Minister's department, the witness made it very clear that the government has no intention of abiding by the order of the House. The position of the government is to thumb its nose at Parliament. While thousands of documents have been redacted, tens of thousands of other pages of documents have been completely withheld. For example, the Department of Justice at present is withholding 11,000 pages of documents relating to SDTC. The justice department is hiding documents from the House that were ordered to be produced to the House and turned over to the RCMP.

The government is in complete contempt. It begs this question: Why have the Liberals gone to such lengths to obstruct and literally paralyze this place to hide documents relating to the billion-dollar green slush fund? Having taken a fairly close look at what happened under the green slush fund, I think the answer is that it is really bad. That was confirmed by the explosive report of the Auditor General that led to this House adopting the motion that led to the production order the government has obstructed, three and a half months after the date it was due to turn over the documents. In that regard, the current Minister of Industry, as well as former Liberal minister of industry Navdeep Bains, have a lot to answer for.

The Auditor General wrote that as much as 400 million taxpayer dollars may have gone out the door improperly at the green slush fund. The current minister would have Canadians believe that SDTC, or the green slush fund, was an arm's-length foundation; that he and his officials really had nothing to do with it; and that when the whistle-blower came forward, he took action. However, that is not close to accurate with respect to what happened.

The minister and his department had a responsibility to provide appropriate oversight of what was happening at SDTC, and the Auditor General concluded that such oversight was completely lacking. Indeed, the Auditor General found that $59 million went out the door of the green slush fund to ineligible projects. Putting aside the conflicts and the corruption that took place at SDTC, $59 million went out the door to ineligible projects. That is gross mismanagement.

With respect to the responsibility of the minister and his department for oversight, the Auditor General was scathing in her conclusions. There are entire sections on the failure of this minister and the previous Liberal minister. For instance, one heading on page 21 of the Auditor General's report says, “The department did not sufficiently assess whether the foundation complied with the contribution agreements”. The department did not sufficiently assess that. We are talking about a billion taxpayer dollars. The minister and his predecessor were not providing sufficient oversight. Another heading in the Auditor General's report says, “The department did not sufficiently assess and monitor the foundation and its use of public funds”.

That happened under this minister, and the previous minister, and he has a lot to answer for, about why there was that total and complete lack of oversight. He cannot run away from it. He cannot say it was just some arm's-length foundation. Yes, board members at SDTC bear responsibility, but ultimate responsibility rests with the current minister and his predecessor, Navdeep Bains.

In addition to mismanagement, there were many conflicts of interest. There were instances of board members sitting in and deliberating on board meetings, and then voting to approve funding for projects that was then funnelled into companies they had interests in.

One such board member was the Liberal hand-picked chair Annette Verschuren, who moved two motions to funnel money out the door under the guise of providing so-called COVID relief payments: $38.5 million went out the door that the Auditor General said should not have. Again, it was staggering mismanagement. However, $220,000 of that went into her company NRStor, a company in which she was the majority shareholder, founder and CEO. This was a total and blatant conflict of interest.

Then there was the Minister of Environment's pal Andrée-Lise Méthot. The Minister of the Environment was a lobbyist for Méthot's venture capital firm, Cycle Capital, lobbying the government almost 50 times prior to his election to this place. Méthot sat and voted to funnel $650,000 to companies she had interests in, as part of those COVID relief payments. Not only that, but she has admitted at committee that several of her companies received millions and millions of dollars from the green slush fund while she sat on the board.

She was defiant in her testimony that she had recused herself and therefore, somehow, that was okay. However, when I asked her to explain if she had read the Canada Foundation for Sustainable Development Technology Act, and more specifically section 12, which states that “no director shall profit or gain any income or acquire any property from the Foundation or its activities”, she threatened to walk out of committee today, thumbing her nose at a parliamentary committee because that is precisely what she did. She violated the act when millions of dollars went into companies she had interests in. Whether she recused herself or not, the letter of the law in the SDTC act is clear. That was another matter flagged by the Auditor General in her report.

We have mismanagement to the tune of $59 million, we have millions of dollars that members funnelled into their companies that they had interests in and there are incidents worth millions more where members technically recused themselves but money went into companies they had interests in, in contravention of the SDTC act.

It begs the question: Through it all, where was the current minister and where was his predecessor Navdeep Bains? At each and every one of the meetings during which those votes took place and money went out the door improperly or in conflicts of interest or in contravention of the SDTC act, the minister had a representative, the assistant deputy minister.

One of two things is possible in the case of Navdeep Bains and the current minister: they were completely asleep at the switch, or they turned a blind eye and were complicit in the mismanagement, conflict and corruption at SDTC. I have to say that I think the second scenario is the more likely scenario.

I and other members of the public accounts committee have questioned how it is that Navdeep Bains tapped Annette Verschuren on the shoulder to serve as chair of the green slush fund. Navdeep Bains claimed he appointed her pursuant to an independent merit-based process, but as it turns out, Navdeep Bains rigged the process by bypassing a short list provided by a selection committee and hand-picking Verschuren. Notwithstanding that he knew she had a conflict of interest, insofar as her company NRStor was receiving $12 million from the green slush fund at the time, Navdeep Bains appointed her anyway. When he came to committee, instead of answering basic questions, he obstructed the committee so much that the committee came very close to holding him in contempt. If he does not show up by this Wednesday, it is almost certain he will be held in contempt. It speaks to a government, a current minister and a former minister who seem to be doing everything they can to not answer questions, to obstruct and to not be transparent. They have a lot to answer for.

In the meantime, we are going to continue to insist, in the face of what is a massive scandal, that the government for once show some respect for this institution, show some respect for the taxpayers and show some commitment to seeing that there is accountability, including if there was criminal wrongdoing. The way the government can start in that regard, for the first time in nine years, is to turn over the documents now.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the member says “show some respect for this institution”. The motion the Conservative Party brought to the House at the instruction of the Speaker was that we should pass this issue over to the procedure and House affairs committee. The Conservatives have put up 100-plus speakers on the issue and they are consistently filibustering—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I do not remember acknowledging anybody else to rise to speak. I would ask members to please be respectful.

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

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5 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, the Conservatives are consistently filibustering the interests of Canadians. The leader of the Conservative Party was the parliamentary secretary to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, the only prime minister to ever be held in contempt of Parliament, not only in Canada but the entire Commonwealth. We can see through this current leader of the Conservative Party, and the behaviour that we witnessed for the last three weeks, that he is the one who ultimately needs to be held accountable for his actions of contempt of Parliament, in my opinion.

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5 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Madam Speaker, the parliamentary secretary refers to the standstill over the Afghan detainee documents, and there was ultimately a solution in the face of that impasse dealing with a matter that dealt with serious national security matters in an active war zone, by the way. Prime Minister Stephen Harper called an election, and do members know what Canadians did? They re-elected Stephen Harper, delivering a strong, stable Conservative majority government. Do members know what they did to the Liberals? They reduced them to 34 seats. I suspect that the member knows that is where the Liberals are headed whenever the Prime Minister calls an election.

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5 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Madam Speaker, I would say that there are probably a few people in the House who are further away in their politics than myself and the member. However, we do share common ground when it comes to demanding transparency and accountability from this government.

I find it highly suspicious that the member's colleagues would like to rewrite history and pretend that somehow, while we were at committee, I was not holding this government to account. I would like the hon. member to stand up and do the honourable thing and just perhaps reconfirm that, at every instance along the way, the NDP voted for the demand of documents. In fact, I am not sure there has ever been a motion in a committee that I have been at where I have not supported a demand for documents. So, just for the welfare of many of the backbenchers who do not know the file and who are learning it for the first time, could the member please just clarify the facts of the matter?

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5 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Madam Speaker, while I would have plenty of criticism for the member's party on many matters in terms of supporting this government, I will concede that he has worked co-operatively on committee, along with the Bloc, on this particular matter.

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5 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Madam Speaker, when my hon. colleague said that it must be something really bad, it got me to thinking. I had a constituent who came, very meekly, about something he wanted to get off his chest. He was a consultant and successful in obtaining a multi-million dollar grant from the government. It was his job to read through the contract, and in reading through the contract, part of the requirement was that 20% of the grant had to go to a business that the government specified for unspecified services. Now, my constituent smelled something very bad, and for all he knew, that business that was getting the 20% cut could be sending it back to the government. He actually said he wanted nothing to do with the grant after all the work that he did to get it.

My question to my colleague is: Is it possible that some of this really bad stuff that the Liberals do not want us to see has to do with kickbacks to the government, or maybe the minister himself?

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5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Madam Speaker, using the language used by the member for Hamilton Centre, what I do find highly suspicious is that a committee ordered that the government turn over all documents and emails between former minister Bains, the PMO, the Department of Industry and the PCO with respect to the appointment of the conflict-ridden chair, Annette Verschuren, and surprise, not a single communication, not a single email can be found. We are talking about a government appointment hand-picked by the minister involving overseeing $1 billion in taxpayer money. It simply, on its face, does not pass the smell test. It is all the more suspicious given what we learned last week, which is that an IT official within this government was working to destroy emails to cover up the government's $60-million arrive scam.

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5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, as the Conservatives have continued to play this game, I have raised many other issues. I will pose a question to the member opposite. There is a need for all leaders of the House to recognize the value of getting a security clearance, and concern has been raised about why the Conservative Party leader has chosen not to get a security clearance.

Is there something in the Conservative leader's past that he is concerned would disqualify him from getting a security clearance? Does he believe that Canadians have a right to know?

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5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Madam Speaker, this is a bit rich given that the Prime Minister was repeatedly briefed about Beijing's interference and turned a blind eye to it. He was briefed that one of his candidates was compromised by interference in one of the nomination campaigns, and as Madam Justice Hogue concluded, he ignored it out of electoral concern for himself. There we have it from Madam Justice Hogue: The Prime Minister put politics ahead of national security and addressing foreign interference.

With respect to the Leader of the Opposition, he will take the same briefing the Washington Post and the Prime Minister received, but what he will not do is allow the Prime Minister to play games by being the arbiter of what information he can see and then determine whether he upholds his oath to secrecy. He is not going to participate in the Prime Minister's circus.

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5:05 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Madam Speaker, I am going to take advantage of my colleague's speech to ask him the same question I asked one of his Conservative colleagues earlier, although I received no answer.

I think that this is something I am going to have to emphasize over the next few days and weeks. I was very pleased to find out that 240,622 Quebeckers have used the new dental care program and are getting their dentists' bills paid thanks to the NDP's work in the House.

If my colleague's party were to come to power following the next election, will these 240,000 people receive assurances and a guarantee that this dental care program will still be available to them?

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5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Madam Speaker, all I can say is that the sooner we have a carbon tax election to get rid of the corrupt government, propped up by the NDP, the better off this country will be.

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5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Marc Dalton Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Madam Speaker, I have great, breaking news: Site C dam has just opened up in British Columbia, which is very important for the production of hydroelectricity. It was pushed forward by the party I was in when we were in power and also by the leader of the B.C. Conservative Party, John Rustad. Despite the fact that the NDP and the Greens pushed back very hard against it, people like Bill Bennett and many others pushed it forward.

Could the member share his thoughts about this and the fact that Conservatives believe in creating good jobs, in clean electricity and in keeping the lights on for people rather than keeping them in darkness?

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5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Madam Speaker, I agree with the member that it is very good news, despite the NDP and the Greens.

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5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

Madam Speaker, it is an honour to speak today to this important motion. Sometimes it gets lost in this place when we are talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars or a billion-dollar green slush fund. What does it all mean? I was thinking about that as I was driving to the airport this morning. I passed a Tim Hortons that had trucks lined up there. Construction workers were on their way to work hard all day, as well as a nurse who was commuting to the hospital to take on a shift in very hard circumstances. I drove by the many farms that line my riding of Fundy Royal. The farmers were up and at it.

This is a government that is all too happy to tax the hard-working Canadians who make this country what it is and make everything work. It taxes them when they earn income, it taxes them when they save and it taxes them when they spend. We can imagine how irate it makes overtaxed Canadians when they hear about this kind of waste, this kind of mismanagement and this kind of absolute corruption from the government.

Canadians are fed up after nine years of the Liberal government's corruption and, indeed, obstruction. This debate today is evidence of that. At the core of the issue being debated today is the hundreds of millions of dollars that was funnelled to connected Liberals on the board of Sustainable Development Technology Canada, SDTC. It has now become known as the Liberals' billion-dollar green slush fund. That is because the government turned the SDTC into a slush fund for Liberal insiders. There is no surprise there. During an investigation, the Auditor General was not given full access to documents in order to assess the full scope of corruption that had been taking place. In June, the House voted to call on the government to provide all relevant documents directly to the RCMP. That made abundant sense, but now the government is defying the will of this House. It is refusing to hand over documents after the public learned of hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars that ended up lining the pockets of Liberal-appointed board members. However, it gets even worse. Canadians did not know about the corruption that was taking place, but the Liberal government had been aware of the board's unethical practices for years. The government let it continue, regardless.

Canadians deserve accountability from their government. That is why this debate today is so important.

SDTC was established in 2001 as a federally funded non-profit and for many years it carried out its mandate of helping Canadian companies develop and deploy sustainable technologies, so how did we get here? How are we in the mess that we are in today? When did the corruption and conflicts start to take root? It will be no surprise to anyone in this chamber that they started to take root under the Liberal government.

In 2018, the minister responsible for SDTC was former Liberal industry minister Navdeep Bains. He was not happy with the chair of the board at the time because the chair was publicly expressing concerns with government legislation. As we know, with a Liberal government, if there is one thing it cannot tolerate, it is any criticism of its actions. We all know that the Liberal government does not take criticism well at all. We know, first and foremost, that the Prime Minister does not take criticism very well. That was fully evidenced this week as well. Thus, in 2019, the former industry minister began appointing new executives to the board of SDTC, despite the fact that many of these new executives had conflicts of interest. Therein is the root of the challenges that we are facing here now and exposing for Canadians. The minister went so far as to appoint a new chair of the board of directors who was already receiving SDTC funding through one of her companies.

To be clear, I will say that SDTC had never had a chair with interest in companies that had been receiving funding until this point. However, the minister proceeded with this appointment despite being fully aware of this serious conflict of interest. We now have a chair of the board tasked with overseeing the very same funds her company was receiving. We do not need a degree in ethics to see that this is not right. The Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council Office were even warned of the risk associated with appointing a conflicted chair; however, no action was taken.

The whole scandal is a sad reflection of what Canadians have come to expect from the Prime Minister. We all know that he will do whatever suits him and his friends, regardless of right or wrong. We have seen this time and time again. I do not want to rehash all these things, but they are pretty instructive. Whether it is taking vacations on a billionaire's island, violating ethics; pressuring the Attorney General to look the other way when SNC-Lavalin was facing prosecution and, indeed, firing ministers just for doing their job; or trying to funnel hundreds of millions of dollars to the WE Charity, despite conflicts of interest involving his own family, the entitled Prime Minister has a track record of these kinds of actions.

Greed, corruption and obstruction have become not just a pattern for the Prime Minister; rather, they have become his playbook. As with any government, it is up to the Prime Minister to lead by example and to set the tone for his ministers as to how they should be expected to conduct themselves. The Liberals' green slush fund is just one example of how ministers have followed the Prime Minister's lead when it comes to disregarding rules around ethics and conflicts of interest.

In addition to appointing a chair of the board with an existing conflict of interest, former minister Bains appointed two board members who would go on to engage in behaviour in breach of the Conflict of Interest Act. They approved funding to companies in which they held ownership stakes.

Canadians, the hard-working taxpayers that I mentioned at the start of my speech, know that we cannot have a situation where individuals are awarding contracts and funding to their own companies. This is so basic. It should go without saying, but we cannot take these kinds of things for granted with the current government. It is not rocket science. The board members' behaviour was obviously unethical and even contravened long-standing rules against conflicts of interest.

The Liberals did not intervene to stop the corruption. Instead, they allowed SDTC to enter into a five-year, $1-billion agreement with the Department of Innovation, Science and Economic Development. It was around this time that the Prime Minister appointed a new industry minister, who still holds this role today. As his predecessor did, he would allow the SDTC to continue its unethical practices.

Two years ago, whistle-blowers started to raise their concerns internally. The Privy Council Office, the top bureaucrats in the country who were tasked with assisting the Prime Minister and his cabinet, were briefed on the funnelling of taxpayer dollars to board members' own companies. It is so unfortunate, as is often the case with the government, that we have whistle-blowers putting their own careers on the line in order to expose the government's wrongdoings instead of having ministerial accountability.

Despite being well-informed of the misappropriation of funds and breaches of conflicts of interest, the Liberals still allowed the corruption to continue. In fact, it was not until September 2023 that SDTC's funding was finally suspended, nearly a full year after whistle-blowers first raised the alarm of possible corruption.

After years of the Liberals knowing exactly how board members were lining their own pockets, why did they decide to suspend SDTC's funding now? What had changed? Why, after all that time, was some action taken? It was not the unethical practices of the board, the hundreds of millions of dollars that went into their own companies or the disregard of conflicts of interest rules that ended up forcing the Liberals to suspend SDTC's funding. Rather, it was the fact that the whistle-blowers made their allegations public.

After inaction from the government over months made it clear that nothing was going to change, the whistle-blowers had to go public. That is the only reason any action was taken. Shortly after SDTC's funding was suspended, the Auditor General announced that she would be conducting an audit of SDTC to support parliamentarians in the oversight of government activities and the stewardship of public funds.

While the Auditor General conducted this audit, Conservatives in the House of Commons worked to better understand the full scope of corruption that had been allowed to take place under the Liberal government and the amount of taxpayer dollars that were being misappropriated.

In February, after months of allegations of corruption, Canadians learned that multiple board members were under ethics investigations. In one case, we learned that a board member was placed under an ethics investigation for funnelling $400,000 through SDTC to a company that he owns. Another case was uncovered in which a former board member admitted to funnelling funds to a firm that they had a stake in. Another member of the board funnelled money to not one, not two, not three, but four companies that they had ownership stakes in.

Conservatives exposed the fact that the CEO and at least two directors used the fund to direct money to their own firms. The Liberal-appointed chair, a friend of the Prime Minister, confirmed that she used SDTC to give her own company more than $200,000 in grant money. After nine years under the Prime Minister, his government's policies have left Canadians with less money, while Liberal-appointed board members of his billion-dollar green slush fund took taxpayer' dollars to line their own pockets.

While Liberals are making off like bandits, everyday Canadians are struggling. We need only to look around us in all the communities we represent. Food bank usage has increased every year that the Prime Minister has been in office. Members should think about what I just said. I know we throw this information out, but what a terrible track record for the Prime Minister. For the nine consecutive years that he has been Prime Minister, food bank usage has increased every single year. That is absolutely appalling.

Two million Canadians are now visiting food banks every month. According to Food Banks Canada, food bank visits have gone up 90% since 2019. The cost of housing has doubled under the Prime Minister, and tent cities are popping up everywhere. In communities where tent cities were never a thing, they are everywhere. This was unthinkable just a few years ago, and it is now the norm across the country. In New Brunswick, in the riding I represent, and right across the country, we have tent cities in every city and in many communities throughout our great country.

Why is this? Why is this happening under the government? Is it some great coincidence? No, Canadians know that this is a direct result of the oppressive actions that the government has been taking against taxpayers. As one example, the Liberal carbon tax has jacked up the cost of everything from home heating to gas and groceries; this makes a real difference in people's ability to make ends meet.

Every Canadian who goes grocery shopping would tell us that they have seen a remarkable increase in the cost of food. I know the Prime Minister would probably like to explain it as some kind of international phenomenon. The fact of the matter is that food prices have risen 36% faster here in Canada than in the U.S. over the last four years. What is the difference? It is the government's greedy carbon tax, which takes from those who are the least able to afford it.

Reckless spending under the government saw inflation reach a 40-year high. According to Statistics Canada, this country is currently faced with the biggest gap between rich and poor in our recorded history. While Canadians worried about how they would pay their bills, feed their kids and keep a roof over their head, Liberals worried about protecting their friends on the board of SDTC.

For months, Conservatives have been peeling back the shocking layers of corruption concerning the Liberals' billion-dollar green slush fund. In an effort to stop more damaging information from coming out, the Liberals and NDP members on the ethics committee tried to prevent a whistle-blower from sharing their testimony at committee. Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars had been misappropriated, yet the NDP-Liberal coalition wanted to silence the whistle-blower, who had originally unveiled evidence of corruption and who courageously came forward with serious allegations while testifying at committee.

In June 2024, the Auditor General of Canada released her scathing report. After the Auditor General's analysis of how SDTC had been conducting its business became public, the industry minister abolished the organization and transferred its funds to National Research Council Canada. This action by the industry minister is in stark contrast to how Liberals had previously approached the corruption going on, which was to do nothing and say nothing. After years of complacency, what was in the Auditor General's report that was so bad that the government was finally forced to act?

First, the Auditor General found that SDTC had demonstrated significant lapses in governance and in stewardship of public funds. This was not just a serious allegation; it was backed up by volumes of evidence. Of the SDTC projects examined by the Auditor General, she found that nearly 20% of the funding went to companies that were ineligible to receive it. The projects did not meet the government's own criteria for funds but were approved anyway. The ineligible projects received over $58 million of hard-working taxpayers' money.

The Auditor General was given a sample of 226 transactions to examine for the purpose of the audit, and 82% of the transactions were conflicted. This was not a one-off. It was not just a slight deviation from the norm; 82% had conflicts. The price tag of the conflicted transactions totalled $330 million.

The Auditor General's investigation uncovered $390 million in funding that was awarded to projects that were either ineligible to receive funding or were awarded to projects in which board members were conflicted. This is not just a scandal of epic proportions; this is pure, unbridled corruption.

Following the release of the Auditor General's report, the House passed a motion calling on the government, SDTC and the Auditor General to send all documents related to the Liberals' billion-dollar green slush fund directly to the RCMP. Instead of abiding by the will of the House, federal departments either outright refused the order or turned over documents that were heavily redacted, citing provisions of the Privacy Act or the Access to Information Act.

The problem is that neither the Privacy Act nor the Access to Information Act permits federal departments to redact documents that have been specifically requested by the House. The House has the absolute and unfettered ability to order the production of documents, which is not limited by statute. These are powers enshrined in the Constitution Act, 1867 and the Parliament of Canada Act.

The government's reaction to the motion as passed by the House has been absolutely unacceptable. In fact, the government's response went so far as to breach the privileges of the House. The Conservative House leader raised these concerns as a question of privilege last month, and the Speaker agreed to look into the facts of the case that Conservatives had laid out.

After examining the events that had transpired, the Speaker ruled that the privileges of the House had in fact been breached. The Speaker's ruling on the question of privilege has led us to the debate we are having today. The debate is about more than just respect for Parliament; it is also about respect for democracy and about accountability to taxpayers and our constituents, who send us here to Ottawa to work on their behalf.

The government is doing everything it can to withhold the documents, so it begs the question of what the Liberals are trying to hide. They are willing to sacrifice their entire legislative agenda rather than simply comply with the will of Parliament and hand the documents over to the RCMP.

The Liberals must have weighed the pros and cons of the situation and decided it was more important to withhold the documents than it was to do the work their constituents elected them to do. The Liberals have no one to blame but themselves. They can choose to respect the Speaker's ruling and the will of the House, or they can continue to obstruct the work of Parliament.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the lack of respect for the House of Commons is actually being administered by the Conservative Party of Canada and the leader of the Conservative Party. I am not going to play the game they play of consistently spreading misinformation. The motion should have been voted on, and it should have gone to committee. That is what the Speaker is saying.

I am going to go back to the issue of foreign interference and the terrible rationale that the Conservatives use.

It is interesting, in regard to the leader of the Conservative Party and his dealings with the issue of foreign interference. Here is what iPolitics says, and I love the headline: “[Leader]'s approach to national security is ‘complete nonsense,’ says expert.... Wesley Wark, who has advised Liberal and Conservative governments on national security, said [the] Tory Leader...is ‘playing with Canadians’ by refusing to get a top-level security clearance and receive classified briefings on foreign interference.”

This is a serious issue. Can the member give any indication whatsoever of what it is about the background of the current leader of the Conservative Party that might not allow him to get the security clearance? Is the fear that there is something about his history, his background, that would not allow him to get—

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Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Fundy Royal has the floor.