House of Commons Hansard #388 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was pension.

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Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have a very important petition to present to the House.

The petitioners are bringing to the attention of the government the RCMP's recent report that the Government of India has interfered in Canada's elections and murdered, threatened and extorted Canadians on Canadian soil. The petitioners also indicate how deeply troubling they find it that foreign interference is occurring in Canada.

The petitioners also mention that they are concerned that the leader of the Conservative Party has not received his security clearance. They are calling upon the leader of the Conservative Party to get his security clearance, and take the action necessary to help stop foreign governments from interfering in Canada and targeting Canadians.

Foreign InterferencePetitionsRoutine Proceedings

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, as coincidence has it, I, too, have a petition on the very same issue.

The petitioners are asking that the leader of the Conservative Party get the security clearance, given the issue of foreign interference. What we have witnessed in Canada is everything from extortion to murder to interference in the leadership of the Conservative Party through foreign interference. We have had Conservative MPs involved in foreign interference.

What the petitioners really want to see is the leader of the Conservative Party doing the honourable thing and getting the security clearance.

Human RightsPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, I rise to present petitions on behalf of Canadians from across the country.

The first petition I have to present today is about concerns around what is going on in Turkey, Pakistan and Bahrain, where officials have committed gross violations against human rights. The petitioners are concerned about over 300,000 people who are being jailed without reason. Several international human rights groups have confirmed gross human rights violations happening in Turkey.

The petitioners are calling on Canada to closely monitor this situation and to place sanctions on 12 Turkish officials who are responsible for these atrocities. The petitioners also call on the Turkish, Pakistani and Bahraini governments to end all violations against human rights in their country.

Military ChaplaincyPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, the next petition comes from Canadians from across the country who are concerned with the attacks on religious freedom within the Canadian Armed Forces.

These Canadians support the Canadian Armed Forces chaplaincy program, and believe that our servicemen and servicewomen should retain the right to public expression of religion. For many of our men and women in uniform, the courage and conviction to risk their lives is rooted in their faith.

The petitioners call on the Liberal government to honour our Canadian traditions of public prayer and to stop undermining the rights of Canadian veterans.

Medical Assistance in DyingPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, the next petition I am presenting comes from Canadians from across the country who are concerned with the expansion of medical assistance in dying, and that Parliament is to consider the priority to ensure that supports are in place for mental health for everyone in Canada.

The petitioners also note that vulnerable Canadians must be given suicide prevention rather than suicide assistance. Folks who have signed this petition are also concerned that medical assistance in dying risks normalizing suicide as a solution for suffering from mental illness.

The petitioners call on the Government of Canada to support Bill C-314 to stop the expansion of medical assistance in dying to those with mental illness.

FirearmsPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, the next petition comes from Canadians across the country who are in support of the health and safety of Canadian firearms owners.

The petitioners recognize the importance of owning firearms, and they note that this is a part of our Canadian heritage. The petitioners also note that there is sometimes a significant impact of hearing loss caused by the use of firearms.

The petitioners are calling for the Government of Canada to recognize the use of sound moderators as hearing protection devices in Canada. The petitioners call on the government to protect legal firearm owners by the use of these devices.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

1:20 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand at this time, please.

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

Is that agreed?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

Alleged Misleading Statements by Member in Committee ReportPrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am rising with respect to the notice of a question of privilege, which I provided to you under Standing Order 48, concerning the third and final report of the Special Joint Committee on the Declaration of Emergency, which was tabled in the House of Commons earlier today.

In brief, when the member for Eglinton—Lawrence, then the minister of public safety, appeared before the committee on April 26, 2022, he made repeated assertions that the NDP-Liberal government invoked the Emergencies Act at the request of law enforcement. This now-infamous claim by the former minister, made at the committee table, went viral—

Alleged Misleading Statements by Member in Committee ReportPrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. It is always important in a question of privilege to be factually correct. The former minister would not have referred to the “NDP-Liberal government”. Therefore, I would ask that the member respect the rules around a question of privilege and stick with the facts.

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1:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I appreciate the hon. member's intervention with respect to that. I will again just remind those who are presenting questions of privilege here to be factual and, of course, as efficient as they can with the time they have before them and stick to the facts.

The hon. member for Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner.

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1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Mr. Speaker, this now infamous claim by the former minister, which was made at the committee table, went viral as police officer after police officer and official after official denied it before the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs and before the Public Order Emergency Commission. Documentary evidence further substantiated just how wrong the former minister's claim was.

With all reports from all three bodies now formally before the House in the present session, the House is seized with irreconcilable claims for which the air must be cleared. As we know, it is a contempt to mislead the House of Commons or any of its committees. I will therefore argue that the member for Eglinton—Lawrence deliberately misled the special joint committee, giving rise to a prima facie contempt.

The committee's third report details, in the first paragraph of the justification section of chapter 7, under “Invocation of the Emergencies Act”, the former minister's evidence to the committee on April 26, 2022, which states:

Some witnesses before the Committee cited the public safety concerns as justification for Cabinet’s decision to invoke the Emergencies Act. For instance, [the] former Minister...told the Committee that the federal government received advice “that law enforcement needed the Emergencies Act to be sure that they [would] resolve, for example, ambiguities around those who were staying close to ports of entry.” He reiterated that “we invoked the Act because it was the advice of non-partisan professional law enforcement that existing authorities were ineffective at the time to restore public safety.”

For good measure, the former minister's other comments to the committee that night include the following:

The government remained engaged with [further] enforcement throughout to ensure that they had the support and the resources they needed. However, when efforts using existing authorities proved ineffective, the advice we received was to invoke the Emergencies Act.

He went on to say, “The advice we were getting was that law enforcement needed the Emergencies Act”. He was also quoted as saying, “As we took our decision in what we could do to respond, we were following the advice of various levels of law enforcement, including the RCMP and...commissioners”.

That last quote is particularly important, bearing in mind what the committee reported, beginning at the 10th paragraph of the section on co-operation among different levels of policing found in chapter 5, “Police Response to the 'Freedom Convoy'”. It states:

There is evidence to suggest that police leadership had not exhausted all available tools to bring the protests and blockades to their conclusion when the federal government decided to invoke the Emergencies Act. At the [Public Order Emergency] Commission, a 14 February 2022 email from [then commissioner of the RCMP] Brenda Lucki to the chief of staff to [the] former Minister...states that:

This said, I am of the view that we have not yet exhausted all available tools that are already available through the existing legislation. There are [circumstances] where charges could be laid under existing authorities for various Criminal Code offences occurring right now in the context of the protest. The Ontario Provincial Emergencies Act just enacted will also help in providing additional deterrent tools to our existing toolbox.

These existing tools are considered in our existing plans and will be used in due course as necessary.

I want to pause for a moment to note three things. First, on September 22, 2022, the committee adopted a motion with a view to achieving efficiencies in its own proceedings. It states:

...deem the evidence, including testimony and documents, received by, and published on the websites of, standing committees of the House of Commons and the Public Order Emergency Commission, in relation to the February 2022 public order emergency and matters consequential to it, to have been received by this Committee and may [have been] used in its reports....

Secondly, as we know from the Rouleau commission records, the former minister's chief of staff forwarded the RCMP commissioner's message directly to the then minister. It is Rouleau commission document ssm.nsc.can.00002280.

Thirdly, former commissioner Lucki's statement about not exhausting all available tools was emboldened with red lettering to attract the attention of the minister's eye.

It is clear that the member for Eglinton—Lawrence was put on clear notice that invoking the Emergencies Act was not the RCMP's advice, in sharp contrast to what he had claimed at the committee table. Going back to the third report, picking up four paragraphs later, we read, “[then Ottawa police chief] Peter Sloly told the Committee that the [Ottawa Police Service] had a plan ready to clear downtown Ottawa, and the [Ottawa Police Service] maintained control of the plan during his tenure as chief of police.”

His tenure ended the day after the Emergencies Act was invoked. Mr. Sloly testified before the committee on October 6, 2022, and is quoted on page three of the evidence saying, “There were no explicit conversations that I had with other levels of government regarding declarations of the Emergencies Act at all three levels.” He then immediately clarified this, adding, “We did have conversations with the City of Ottawa around their emergency, but not the other two levels of government.”

Other witnesses before the special joint committee also testified that they had not requested the invocation of the Emergencies Act. The then RCMP commissioner Brenda Lucki is quoted on page 10 of the evidence for May 10, 2022, saying, “No, there was never a question of requesting the Emergencies Act.” When pressed to confirm that statement about whether she ever asked for the invocation of the act, she firmly answered, “No.”

The then emergency preparedness minister, now the Minister of National Defence, testified on June 14, 2022, at pages 22 and 23 of the evidence, that he had not heard any advice or request from the police asking for the invocation of the Emergencies Act, adding, “Quite frankly, I would have been quite surprised if the police had actually made a policy recommendation or asked for any legislative authority.”

On October 27, 2022, former Ottawa mayor Jim Watson confirmed, at page 14 of the evidence, that he had not sought any emergency declarations. On November 3, 2022, Ontario police commissioner, Tom Carrique, confirmed, at page 17 of the evidence, “I can tell you that I am telling you the absolute truth, sir. At no point did I provide or request that the Emergencies Act be invoked.” He then added, “I did not provide any advice of that nature, nor am I aware of anyone from my legal team providing such advice.”

Those statements alone show there was irreconcilable evidence before the committee, which has now been reported to the House, but the concern just does not stop there. In parallel to the special joint committee's work, our procedure and House affairs committee was conducting its own study of security arrangements on or near Parliament Hill, hearing from a number of pertinent policing and security witnesses who appeared in the aftermath of the former minister's famous claim.

The evidence that it heard was reported to the House in that committee's 19th report, tabled on December 14, 2022. Firstly, on page 13, we read the former minister's own take:

During the appearance by [the then minister of public services and procurement and the then minister of public safety], some members of the Committee asked questions about the invocation of the Emergencies Act. In particular, it was asked which police agency asked for the Emergencies Act to be invoked?

In response, [the member for Eglinton—Lawrence] stated that

there was a very strong consensus among law enforcement that the Emergencies Act was necessary as stipulated in the letter from the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police....

Turning to page 23 of the 19th report, we see, “When asked about the invocation of the Emergencies Act by the federal government, [the then Ottawa interim police chief, Steve] Bell stated the [Ottawa Police Service] had had conversations with its partners and political ministries, but did not directly request that the Act be invoked.” Former chief Bell later testified before the special joint committee on November 3, 2022, at page 2 of the evidence, that, “No, we never made a direct request for the invocation of the act.”

Later in that same meeting, on page 9, he confirmed, “That's correct. There was no direct request made from the Ottawa Police Service.”

Now, let us go back to the procedure and house affairs committee's 19th report on page 26. It says, “Asked whether the [Police Service of Gatineau] was able to manage the disruptions in Gatineau caused by the Freedom Convoy, [Service Director] Mr. [Luc] Beaudoin indicated that it was able to do so, in particular thanks to the collaboration of its partners and the coordination centre.”

Moving to page 29, we learn this:

When asked if the [Parliamentary Protective Service] had requested the invocation of the Emergencies Act in February 2022, [then acting service director, Superintendent] Mr. [Larry] Brookson answered no. He noted that there was no benefit whatsoever in the invocation of the Emergencies Act for PPS, because it is not a policing organization, so it received no additional powers through the Act.

I would pause here to add that former Superintendent Brookson confirmed this evidence for the special joint committee during his appearance there on September 29, 2022, on page 10, of the evidence.

Mr. Sloly, the former Ottawa police chief, had also appeared before the procedure and House affairs committee, which reported on page 37, “that he did not ask the federal government to invoke the Emergencies Act. He was not aware of anyone making that request in the [Ottawa Police Service].”

The then Ottawa City manager, Steve Kanellakos, was also a witness, and in the 19th report, on page 48, it states, “Mr. Kanellakos was asked by the Committee whether the [Ottawa Police Service] had requested the invocation of the Emergencies Act. In response, he stated that he was not aware of any such request.”

Mr. Kanellakos, in his opening statement to the special joint committee on October 27, 2022, on page three of the evidence, also said, “To my knowledge, the city never requested the invocation of the act.”

Next, let us turn to the report of the Public Order Emergency Commission, which was tabled in the House on February 17, 2023, sessional paper 8530-441-17.

First, on page 115 of volume 1, Commissioner Rouleau wrote:

A question that arose during the Commission’s hearings was whether Cabinet was advised of Commissioner Lucki’s view that not all existing tools had yet been exhausted in Ottawa. She had expressed this view to [the former minister's] chief of staff less than an hour before the Cabinet meeting began, but this was not passed on to Cabinet.

Later, the commissioner expanded on this on page 92 of volume 3. He said:

A question that arose during the Commission’s hearings was whether Cabinet was advised of Commissioner Lucki’s view that not all existing tools had yet been exhausted in Ottawa. Less than an hour before the Cabinet meeting began, Commissioner Lucki responded to an email request from [the former] Minister['s]...Chief of Staff, Mike Jones, for a list of emergency measures that might assist law enforcement in bringing the protests under control. Commissioner Lucki suggested a number of tools but added that in her view, all of the tools available through existing legislation had not yet been exhausted. She noted that there were instances where charges could be laid under the Criminal Code, and that [Ottawa]’s recent declaration of emergency would also help in providing additional tools.

Mr. Jones forwarded Commissioner Lucki’s email to [the former minister] and Deputy Minister [Robert] Stewart half an hour before the Cabinet meeting began. The comment about the sufficiency of existing tools was not incorporated into the speaking notes that Commissioner Lucki sent to [the former] Minister...and the [then national security intelligence adviser to the Prime Minister, Jody Thomas] a few minutes before the start of the meeting.

In addition to these three reports, the former minister testified to the special joint committee, which is also contradicted by the government's response to Order Paper Question No. 613, signed by the then minister's parliamentary secretary. Through this written question, the government was asked, “With regard to the government’s invocation of the Emergencies Act earlier this year: did any police force make a request for the Act to be invoked, and, if so, what are the specific details of any such requests, including which police forces submitted a request, and on what date each such request was received by the government?”

The then parliamentary secretary's response danced around the heart of the question, but she nevertheless answered, “the RCMP did not request for the act to be invoked”. She reiterated, “With regard to the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police did not make a request for the act to be invoked.”

All in all, the former minister's claim to the special joint committee, found in its report that is now before the House, has been flatly contradicted by all other evidence on the question before the House.

House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, at page 81, provides a list of established grounds for contempt, including “deliberately attempting to mislead the House or a committee (by way of statement, evidence, or petition)”. This point is reiterated at page 112.

For its part, the United Kingdom House of Commons Committee of Privileges has also recently considered the matter of a minister misleading Parliament. That committee's fifth report, tabled in June 2023, notes at paragraph 6 that “misleading intentionally or recklessly, refusing to answer legitimate questions, or failing to correct misleading statements, impedes or frustrates the functioning of the House and is a contempt.”

The importance of accurate information being provided to Parliament has been underscored in a number of rulings in this House, including by your predecessor, Mr. Speaker, on March 3, 2014, at page 3430 of the Debates, which states:

This incident highlights the primordial importance of accuracy and truthfulness in our deliberations. All members bear a responsibility, individually and collectively, to select the words they use very carefully and to be ever mindful of the serious consequences that can result when this responsibility is forgotten.

The United Kingdom's privileges committee, meanwhile, explained, at paragraph 8 of its fourth report, tabled in March 2023, the following:

The expectation is that when the House hears from Ministers, what it hears is the truth as far as the Minister knows it. The House considers legislation and scrutinises government activity on the basis that what it is told is accurate. Parliament expects and requires proactive candour and transparency. This is what is necessary for the House to do its job properly. If a Minister makes an inadvertent error they are expected to correct it at the earliest opportunity. Mistakes inevitably happen and corrections are made routinely. There are, every year, roughly 100 corrections per year by Ministers who have inadvertently misled the House. The more important the issue, the more seriously the House will take any question of misleading.

There is a well-established test for determining whether deliberately misleading information has been provided, which, for example, the Speaker explained in his February 15 ruling, at page 21158 of the Debates:

It must be proven that the statement was misleading; it must be established that, when making a statement, the member knew it to be incorrect; and finally, it must be demonstrated that the member intended to mislead the House.

In the circumstances, I would respectfully submit that all three branches of this test can be made out.

First, the overwhelming body of evidence, in fact, basically every source of evidence other than the former minister himself, which I have already quoted, contradicts the former minister. There can be no reasonable conclusion other than the fact that his statement to the committee was misleading.

Second, the email from the then RCMP commissioner to the former minister's chief of staff, who in turn forwarded it to his boss, makes it quite clear that the former minister was on notice of the actual opinion of the country's top cop. In the face of it, how could he plausibly claim that law enforcement actually made the request?

Third, the context of the former minister's comment, in trying to manage concerns regarding an extraordinary assertion of legal powers by the federal cabinet in response to a protest against its policies, is one that goes to explain the likely intention behind it: to syndicate the responsibilities for such a controversial decision onto the shoulders of non-political institutions like the police and away from the political actors who actually took the decision.

In any event, intention is not something that, I would respectfully submit, requires, at this stage, ironclad proof, like a confession. Indeed, the procedure and House affairs committee, at paragraph 15 of its 50th report, presented in March 2002, explicitly acknowledges that intention may well be a matter for committee investigation:

As [then clerk of the House] Mr. Corbett explained to the Committee, it is not uncommon for inaccurate statements to be made in the course of debate or Question Period in the House. The issue is whether the statements were made deliberately, with the intent of misleading the House or its Members. In the case where a Member later admits to having knowingly provided false information—as in the Profumo case—the issue of intent is clear. In the absence of such an admission, however, it rests with the Committee to examine all of the circumstances and determine whether the evidence demonstrates an intention to mislead.

The procedure and House affairs committee continued in the same vein at paragraph 39 of the same report, noting that, at times, inferences must be drawn to establish intent:

Intent is always a difficult element to establish, in the absence of an admission or confession. It is necessary to carefully review the context surrounding the incident involved, and to attempt to draw inferences based on the nature of the circumstances. Any findings must, however, be grounded on facts and have an evidentiary basis.

At Westminster, meanwhile, the privileges committee, in its fourth report, wrote at paragraph 6:

If a statement was misleading, we will consider whether that was inadvertent, reckless or intentional. If we conclude it was in any way reckless or intentional we will consider what sanction to recommend to the House. It will be for the House to decide whether to accept or reject our conclusions and recommendations.

It might also be worth noting here the related footnote, footnote 4, of that report:

We emphasise that the Committee is not a court of law, it is a select committee of Parliament, and its processes are parliamentary rather than forensic. The Committee will adopt plain-English definitions of key concepts as used in a parliamentary context.

Parliamentary Privilege in Canada, second edition, at page 234, explains that “before the House will be permitted by the Speaker to embark on a debate in such circumstances...[it must be demonstrated] that a Member of the House of Commons was intentionally misled or an admission of facts that leads naturally to the conclusion that a Member was intentionally misled”. The long list of contradictory evidence would, I suggest, lead naturally to the very strong inference, if not the conclusion, that the special joint committee was intentionally misled.

Next, I wish to address another matter concerning this question of privilege, namely the requirement to rise in a timely manner. On first blush, raising a concern about something that was said over 31 months ago would not be considered timely. However, since it happened in a committee, the clock only started from the moment the third report was tabled in the House, which was this morning. It would have been premature to have raised this concern any sooner.

As Mr. Speaker Regan said on September 27, 2016, at page 5175 of the Debates:

the Speaker cannot pass judgment on matters that are not properly before the House. The authority of the Speaker is limited to studying evidence before the House, such as statements made in the House or matters detailed in reports from committees, and not evidence gleaned from other sources.

Mr. Speaker, your immediate predecessor held on May 11, 2021, at page 7023 of the Debates, “There is no precedent where the Chair has used testimony from a committee without there being a report on the subject.”

This rationale was more fully elaborated on by Speaker Milliken, on February 10, 2011, at page 8030, in a comment quite relevant to the present case, given that the former minister's wild claim became a matter of considerable discussion on the floor of the House:

...the Chair was limited in its ability to act on the full range of that review since much of the proceedings referred to in member's submissions were never officially placed in the hands of the House. The parliamentary secretary to the government House leader was not mistaken in his assertion that any and all statements made in committee, even when those have been repeated verbatim in the House, remain the business of the committee until such time as it elects to report them officially to the House.

...It may sound overly technical but the reality is that when adjudicating cases of this kind, the Chair is obliged to reference material fully and properly before the House.

However, now the information is fully and squarely before the House, in the form of the third report, the procedure and House affairs committee's 19th report and the Rouleau commission's report, as well as the Order Paper question response I quoted. We are now faced with the concern expressed by the Speaker on March 3, 2014, at page 3430 of the Debates:

At the same time, the fact remains that the House continues to be seized of completely contradictory statements. This is a difficult position in which to leave members, who must be able to depend on the integrity of the information with which they are provided to perform their parliamentary duties.

In that case, the Chair found a prima facie case of privilege, just as Speaker Milliken did on February 1, 2002, at page 8581 of the Debates, when he said:

The authorities are consistent about the need for clarity in our proceedings and about the need to ensure the integrity of the information provided by the government to the House. Furthermore, in this case, as hon. members have pointed out, integrity of information is of paramount importance since it directly concerns the rules of engagement for Canadian troops involved in the conflict in Afghanistan, a principle that goes to the very heart of Canada's participation in the war against terrorism.

...in deciding on alleged questions of privilege, it is relatively infrequent for the Chair to find prima facie privilege; it is much more likely that the Speaker will characterize the situation as “a dispute as to facts”. But in the case before us, there appears to be in my opinion no dispute as to the facts. I believe that both the minister and other hon. members recognize that two versions of events have been presented to the House.

...On the basis of the arguments presented by hon. members and in view of the gravity of the matter, I have concluded that the situation before us where the House is left with two versions of events is one that merits further consideration by an appropriate committee, if only to clear the air.

The same motivation, to clear the air, also inspired another prima facie finding by the Chair, on March 9, 2011, as well as the 2014 case I cited.

While the present circumstances do not relate to Canadian participation in conflict abroad, they do relate to the justification for the invocation of the Emergencies Act, a decision that allowed cabinet to legislate without regard to the authority of Parliament or to the usual constitutional divisions of power. A decision of this magnitude must be supported with clarity and integrity of information, just as Speaker Milliken had insisted concerning the deployment of JTF 2 soldiers in Afghanistan.

Mr. Speaker, I would submit that the necessary thresholds have been made out here, allowing for you to make a prima facie finding. To allow for the air to be fully and properly cleared, I intend to propose referring the matter to the procedure and House affairs committee so that we might get a definitive report on the issue.

In conclusion, Parliament deserves to receive clear and definitive answers to questions. It must be entitled to the truth. On a matter about sidelining Parliament's own legislative and constitutional authority, the stakes are even higher. That is why I urge you to find a prima facie case of privilege in relation to the member for Eglinton—Lawrence in his testimony to the Special Joint Committee on the Declaration of Emergency, for which I am prepared to move an appropriate motion.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, we will have to review the matter in terms of the way it was presented and possibly come back to the House. It might take me an hour or so to respond to it in great depth, but I will do my best to try to get back to the House, if there is a need to, in the not-too-distant future.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, the NDP also reserves the right to intervene, but I am rising to respond to what was a frivolous question of privilege raised by the Conservative member for Thornhill a few days ago.

I wanted to start by referencing the fact that, when we look at prima facie cases of privilege on obstruction, in every case that has been adjudicated by the House, the question of privilege was raised the same day or the subsequent day. I am thinking of the member for Milton in 2017, the member for Toronto—Danforth in 2015, the member for Skeena—Bulkley Valley in 2015, the member for Acadie—Bathurst in 2014, the member for Winnipeg Centre in 2012, the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development in 2011 and the member for Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord in 2004.

In the case of the frivolous question of privilege from the member for Thornhill, she waited four days before she rose in the House. She rose in the House to obstruct the member for Burnaby South, who was speaking on the NDP opposition day.

The reality is that this type of weaponizing of a question of privilege is yet another example of how Conservatives are disregarding the Standing Orders we have that clearly govern our activities. The member for Thornhill added to the frivolous question of privilege by raising a whole range of false allegations that have subsequently been repudiated by the member for Edmonton Strathcona, the member for Winnipeg Centre and the member for Hamilton Centre. Given this fact, I think it is very clear that this was a weaponizing of a question of privilege and, yet again, a frivolous question of privilege from the member for Thornhill. She has certainly done this before.

I wanted to raise two citations from our procedural bible, which is what governs our activities in the House. First, I will reference Speaker Milliken's decision from November 5, 2009. At that time, Speaker Milliken had occasion to rule on a strikingly similar incident and referenced a number of other incidents where there were false allegations of a member having knowledge of or being complicit in a disturbance in the galleries. In all of those cases, Speaker Milliken promptly ruled that it was not a question of privilege. This is another example of that. In the case of the member for Thornhill, the fact that she sat on it for four days very clearly shows that it was not a question of privilege that is bona fide.

The member for South Shore—St. Margarets rose to say that he had to postpone a meeting, and that was his justification in this hour-long weaponization of a question of privilege, which was solely designed to block the member for Burnaby South from speaking on the NDP opposition day. I wanted to reference, again, House of Commons Procedure and Practice, which states the following:

In order to find a prima facie breach of privilege, the Speaker must be satisfied that there is evidence to support the Member’s claim that he or she has been impeded in the performance of his or her parliamentary functions and that the matter is directly related to a proceeding in Parliament.

The fact that a stakeholder postponed a meeting is not directly related to proceedings in Parliament.

I contrast that, of course, with how the Conservatives acted when we had the takeover of downtown Ottawa, with 600 businesses closed, seniors not being able to get access to groceries and people with disabilities not being able to access their medications. It was a complete calamity. We saw businesses that flew a pride flag being vandalized, with windows broken. The Happy Goat Coffee Company on Elgin Street, for example, was vandalized by convoy extremists. Despite the fact that we had to move through every day with the obstruction, intimidation, insults and jeers that were thrown at members of Parliament, at no point did Conservatives want to entertain any sort of question of privilege there.

That is a case where there were severe restrictions on parliamentary activity. The case of the member for Thornhill is simply ludicrous. The fact is that sat on it for four days, and she is trying to weaponize a question of privilege. This should be treated as what it very clearly is. After she threw false allegations, she did not respond in any material, factual way in terms of what actually transpired.

We have heard from the member for Winnipeg Centre, the member for Edmonton Strathcona and the member for Hamilton Centre. Each member has repudiated the false allegations that were made that day.

This weaponizing of a question of privilege, raised days after the fact, was solely intended to block the member for Burnaby South from speaking with respect to the NDP's opposition day. This touched on GST relief and making the relief permanent with respect to essential goods, including home heating, cellphone bills and Internet bills, all of which are family essentials. Conservatives opposed this; however, instead of speaking against it in the House, which would have been the honest and honourable thing to do, Conservatives created obstruction that day. They obstructed the member for Burnaby South's ability to intervene, and they raised a series of speeches, none of which touched on the question of privilege in any meaningful way.

I submit to you, Mr. Speaker, that this was a frivolous question of privilege. It should not have been entertained in the first place. The false allegations have been completely repudiated. What that would leave you with, Mr. Speaker, is a rejection of the member for Thornhill's raising of a frivolous matter yet again, which she has done to try to weaponize a question of privilege.

I would implore my Conservative colleagues to start respecting the orders and procedures that govern us, as well as the values and traditions that govern us in this place, and to stop making a mockery of the House of Commons.

Access to Parliamentary PrecinctPrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I thank the hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby for his intervention on this question of privilege.

Lyme DiseaseStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise to highlight the relentless efforts of Canada's only non-profit organization focused on advancing Lyme disease research. Located in Vaughan, this is the G. Magnotta Foundation.

It is a deeply personal cause to the founder and president, my dear friend, Rossana Magnotta. After losing her beloved husband, Gabe, to Lyme disease, she has rallied our community to raise awareness, fund research and improve Lyme disease testing and treatment for all Canadians.

Just a few weeks ago, the G. Magnotta Foundation renewed its commitment to Lyme disease research with a $2-million gift over the next two years to the G. Magnotta lab at the University of Guelph. Along with dozens of friends and neighbours, on September 18, I joined Rossana and the lab director, Dr. Melanie Wills, at the annual Vaughan Walk for Lyme to show our community's hope and resolve to combat this terrible disease.

Embodying the G. Magnotta lab's mantra, “Driven by passion. Fueled by philanthropy”, the unmatched generosity of Vaughan residents is once again a beacon of hope for a healthier future for all. I thank Rossana and the entire team of the G. Magnotta Foundation for their leadership.

ChristmasStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Conservative

Fraser Tolmie Conservative Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan, SK

Mr. Speaker, in 1994, my mother visited me when I was living and studying in England. We toured Canterbury Cathedral, where she wrote out a prayer request. The prayer has stayed with me from that moment on; it was “Salvation for my family.” The true gift of salvation came when a baby was born in a manger in Bethlehem over 2,000 years ago. It is a gift if we acknowledge who that baby was, who he came to be and what he did on the cross for us. His name was Jesus, Emmanuel, God is with us.

Christmas will not be the same without mom and dad this year, having lost them both in October, but they lived lives of faith and knew Christ. I know hope still remains. The reminder of the gift of salvation comes every Christmas. I want to wish everyone who hears my voice a very merry Christmas and a very happy Scottish Hogmanay. May God bless everyone, and may everyone have a merry Christmas. No one is alone.

Community Organizations in MiltonStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is a real privilege to highlight two incredible organizations in Milton that are making a profound difference in our community.

I would like to acknowledge the Special Friends Network and its inspiring dream kitchen initiative. By partnering with the Halton Down Syndrome Association, chef Brandon Bousfield and team are creating opportunities for those with special needs to develop employable skills, build confidence and create lasting friendships. With help from the Optimist Club of Milton, they are delivering some of the meals they create to people who need a bit of help over these holidays.

I also want to commend the Tiger Jeet Singh Foundation on its 16th Miracle on Main event. It was amazing. It included a toy and food drive, and it is a true testament to the spirit of giving and celebration. It is very heartwarming to see local families, businesses and volunteers all come together to ensure that every family in Milton, and across Halton region, has a really enjoyable Christmas holiday season.

Both organizations embody the true meaning of community, compassion, generosity and care. I am so proud to support the work they do. I am so grateful to everyone in Milton for building a brighter place for everyone.

I am really looking forward to seeing everybody this year. Merry Christmas and happy holidays.

Sawmill's New Facilities in Lac-Saint-JeanStatements by Members

December 12th, 2024 / 2 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, on December 4, my beautiful riding of Lac-Saint-Jean celebrated the official inauguration of the Bois Francs Bio Serra's new facilities. The company will change its name to Mono Serra Group Scierie.

With an investment of nearly $25 million at a time when the forestry industry is facing numerous challenges, I am both proud and optimistic to see such a project come to life in the municipality of Sainte-Monique. It is a relief for the mayor, for the workers and for the community as a whole.

The company, which is acquiring modern equipment and facilities, will be able to optimize its use of wood fibre, increase its productivity and develop new products. I would be remiss if I did not congratulate Mr. Lifraine, Mr. Lemay, Mr. Laberge and the entire Mono Serra team on their vision. With this project, Mono Serra has truly found the key to success. Congratulations to the whole team.

OrléansStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Marie-France Lalonde Liberal Orléans, ON

Mr. Speaker, as 2024 comes to an end, I want to extend my warmest wishes to everyone in the House and to the people of Orléans.

As the representative of the most beautiful riding in Canada, I want to take this opportunity to express my heartfelt gratitude to each and every one of the residents of Orléans. Their unwavering support, leadership and dedication to our community has made a profound impact. Together, we have built a strong and vibrant community that I am proud to represent.

I hope this time of year brings peace and joy to all and that everyone will enjoy spending time together with their loved ones.

I also wish everyone a fantastic start to 2025, a year of new opportunities, dreams realized and continued success. I wish a merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanza and happy new year to Orléans.

Public SafetyStatements by Members

2:05 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Mr. Speaker, after nine years, the Liberal government has unleashed crime and chaos from coast to coast to coast. Nationwide, violent crime has skyrocketed by 50% since the Prime Minister took office, while violent gun crime has increased by 116%, and they are using weapons that were smuggled over our insecure border.

Let us look at the numbers closer to home. In Saskatoon, crime has absolutely exploded, and it is the result of the decisions made by the out-of-touch NDP-Liberal government. Violent crime is out of control. For youth, it is up over 113% since 2019 alone, and assaults and robberies saw the largest increase. Already, 2024 is the worst year on record for Saskatoon in the number of murders, and the year is not over yet. The NDP-Liberal coalition does not care at all about victims. Only common-sense Conservatives would bring home safe streets by securing our border and giving jail not bail to violent, repeat offenders.

Ray StortiniStatements by Members

2:05 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Sheehan Liberal Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Mr. Speaker, today I rise to pay tribute to the Hon. Ray Stortini, who recently passed away. Ray became one of the first judges of Italian descent appointed to the bench in Ontario. He was a champion for fair representation and legal aid.

Ray was proud of his Italian heritage and west end upbringing in the Sault. He shared his traditions, stories and experience by documenting them and publishing several books. He was a force outside of the courtroom, actively volunteering on many community boards, including the soup kitchen, Ken Brown Recovery Home, Algoma University, the YMCA, Children's Aid Society, Algoma Public Health and the St. Joseph Island Lions Club.

Ray was a family man and a dedicated husband who was always there for his wife, four children, 12 grandchildren and two great-grandchildren. Ray's motto was, “Leave the woodpile higher than you found it.” He was truly a northern Ontario great.

I want to thank Ray for his lifetime of service. He will always be remembered.

Public SafetyStatements by Members

2:05 p.m.

Liberal

Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, in Brampton, safety is a major concern. Community safety must be our top priority. Doug Ford's government should make it their priority as well. Instead, they have been blaming the federal government for their failure. The Government of Ontario needs to get its act together. According to a CBC investigative report, since 2020, 56% of charges in Ontario were “withdrawn, stayed, dismissed or discharged before a decision at trial”.

We have passed tougher bail laws, created new offences and tougher penalties. We also gave the Government of Ontario $121 million to help prevent gun and gang violence. It is time for the province of Ontario to take action, stop playing blame games and provide money for policing and the justice system.

FinanceStatements by Members

2:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bernard Généreux Conservative Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Mr. Speaker, still today, after nine years under this Prime Minister, Canadians once again have to suffer the consequences of this Liberal government's lack of leadership.

The Prime Minister is having a fiscal spat with his Minister of Finance over the budget, which will certainly exceed the $40-billion deficit mark, a limit she herself promised. Endless broken Liberal promises are becoming the hallmark of the Liberals. The Prime Minister is imposing inflationary policies and then gets mad at his minister when she, surprise surprise, is unable to manage Canada's economy.

Who is going to replace the Minister of Finance once the Prime Minister fires her? It is none other than Mark Carney, an unelected individual responsible for the carbon tax, who has already penalized Canadians with this inflationary and irresponsible tax.

The solution is simple: They should just stop. They should stop spending, stop increasing taxes, stop the inflation and stop the deficit.

It is not complicated. They should just stop.