House of Commons Hansard #341 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was farmers.

Topics

The EnvironmentOral Questions

3 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Speaker, it is so interesting that the finance minister brought up hypocrisy. Last week, it was revealed that Liberal pseudo-minister Mark Carney's company Brookfield is lobbying the government for billions for a new corporate climate fund, but recently, a damning report revealed that Brookfield does not account for a whopping 92% of the greenhouse gas emissions that its investments create. That is hypocrisy.

Can the environment minister confirm that he and his NDP-Liberal partners will not help wealthy unregistered lobbyist Mark Carney get rich by giving billions in subsidies to his greenwashed company?

The EnvironmentOral Questions

3 p.m.

University—Rosedale Ontario

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland LiberalDeputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, our government is happy to get advice from Canadians across the country, but let us talk about how the Conservatives get their advice. They get advice on the cost of living from a Loblaws lobbyist. They get advice on foreign policy and Ukraine from Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson. They get advice on women's rights from misogynists and the far right. We will take no lessons from them.

Dental CareOral Questions

3 p.m.

Liberal

Patricia Lattanzio Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Mr. Speaker, more than 9,000 citizens in my riding of Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel are receiving dental care thanks to the Canadian dental care plan. This is a historic investment that benefits many Quebeckers, especially seniors, and guarantees access to the health care they need and deserve.

Can the Minister of Public Services and Procurement explain how this plan helps Quebeckers get the care they so desperately need?

Dental CareOral Questions

3 p.m.

Québec Québec

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos LiberalMinister of Public Services and Procurement

Mr. Speaker, our congratulations to the member for Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel on the remarkable success of the Canadian dental care plan in her riding, which mirrors the success of the 750,000 Canadians who have been able to receive dental care in recent months. We also offer our congratulations to the Conservative member for Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis for taking the top prize, with 18,000 seniors having received a Canadian dental care plan membership card in recent weeks.

We have no congratulations, however, for her Conservative leader, who continues to claim that the Canadian dental care plan does not exist.

Government AccountabilityOral Questions

September 23rd, 2024 / 3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, after nine years of the NDP-Liberals, taxes are up, costs are up, crime is up and time is up for this jet-setting, high-flying Prime Minister, who is off to New York City to dine with elites while doubling costs for Canadians. While he is there, maybe he can check out the $9-million condo that he got for his media buddy Tom Clark. They can share a coffee from his $5,000 coffee machine or work on their golf swings at the golf simulator paid for by Canadians. Maybe the Prime Minister can save us a couple of bucks and bunk with his buddy Tom Clark at this $9-million condo on billionaire's row.

Government AccountabilityOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Scarborough Southwest Ontario

Liberal

Bill Blair LiberalMinister of National Defence

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister of Canada undertakes very important work representing Canada at home and abroad. For example, this week in New York, he spoke at the—

Government AccountabilityOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

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Government AccountabilityOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I will invite the hon. minister to start from the top, please.

Government AccountabilityOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bill Blair Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

Mr. Speaker, the Conservatives might have been more comfortable if I had begun with a bad poem.

The Prime Minister undertakes very important work on behalf of Canada at home and abroad. For example, this week in New York, not only is he speaking at the United Nations General Assembly, but he is also leading and co-hosting the Summit of the Future, talking about key global challenges on sustainable development, international peace and security, technical innovation, digital coordination, the decarbonization of clean energy and human rights.

I do appreciate that nobody over there appears to care about any of those things, but they are important to Canadians.

Public SafetyOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Mr. Speaker, after nine years of the NDP-Liberals, taxes are up, costs are up, crime is up and now time is up. Since 2015, violent crime has surged by 50%. Shockingly, sex assaults have surged by 75%. Today, the Parole Board inexcusably granted day parole to a serial rapist who still poses a risk to drug, manipulate and coerce victims. Let that sink in. This is not keeping Canadians safe.

Who on the Liberal bench approves of this?

Public SafetyOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Beauséjour New Brunswick

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc LiberalMinister of Public Safety

Mr. Speaker, my colleague knows very well that the Parole Board, by law, operates independently of the government. Our responsibility is to ensure that the appropriate men and women serve on the Parole Board, something we have done with great seriousness.

The Conservatives know that the most important criteria in any independent decision made by this quasi-judicial tribunal is public safety. My colleague knows that very well, and he should be careful not to increase public cynicism in a way that does not serve public safety. He knows very well that is incorrect.

Foreign AffairsOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Melissa Lantsman Conservative Thornhill, ON

Mr. Speaker, the United Nations is arguing that UNRWA employees who participated in the October 7 terrorist massacre are immune from legal action. This is a day that saw seven Canadians murdered. Let me rephrase that. They are arguing that individuals who contributed to rape, murder and kidnapping are outside and above the law.

I have a simple question for the government: Does it support immunity for terrorists, yes or no?

Foreign AffairsOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

York South—Weston Ontario

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen LiberalMinister of International Development

Mr. Speaker, Canada is committed to ensuring that our humanitarian assistance aligns with Canadian values and international standards of neutrality. We take any allegations of misconduct very seriously.

Upon learning of allegations from UNRWA about some of its staff, Canada was the first country to take action and pause all additional funding pending thorough investigations by the UN Office of Internal Oversight Services and an independent review led by former French foreign minister Catherine Colonna. It is very rich for the member to talk about anything to do with the UN, because she will face down her party, which wants to quit the UN. Canada is a founding member.

Dental CareOral Questions

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

Patrick Weiler Liberal West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country, BC

Mr. Speaker, it has become abundantly clear that the Conservatives would cut the Canadian dental care plan, taking away coverage from the 2.4 million Canadians who have already enrolled in the program, with more signing up every day. That is more than 282,000 British Columbians.

Will the Minister of Citizens' Services please update the House on the work being done by the government?

Dental CareOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Burnaby North—Seymour B.C.

Liberal

Terry Beech LiberalMinister of Citizens’ Services

Mr. Speaker, my friend from British Columbia is correct that 2.4 million Canadians currently have their membership cards. Over 750,000 Canadians have care, and we are all hearing the good stories of the change that this is making in individuals' lives. It is making life more affordable.

While Canada is in a position to have the lowest deficit and the best economic forecasted growth, we are investing in making life more affordable with dental care, with child care, with pharmacare, by building more houses, by attacking climate change and by making sure that we take measures to make Canadians' lives better. We will continue to do that.

Fisheries and OceansOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

NDP

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

Mr. Speaker, this summer, the fisheries minister announced that she was closing both the Pachena and Carmanah lighthouses. These lighthouses sit between the West Coast Trail, which sees thousands of hikers per year, and the graveyard of the Pacific, a famously treacherous stretch of water.

Automating these lighthouses simply will not suffice. This decision puts lives at risk and was made without consulting first nations, labour, mariners and local communities. Will the Liberals pause this plan, do the proper consultation and invest in keeping coastal people safe?

Fisheries and OceansOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Cape Breton—Canso Nova Scotia

Liberal

Mike Kelloway LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Fisheries

Mr. Speaker, we are aware of the cultural and historical significance of the lighthouses along the West Coast Trail. After an engineering investigation and assessment this year, the Canadian Coast Guard determined that the locations were no longer suitable for the Canadian Coast Guard personnel to operate safely. The safety and well-being of Canadian Coast Guard personnel is our top priority, and we will continue to ensure that the aids to navigation in these areas remain functional to continue to protect mariners and coastal communities.

Persons with DisabilitiesOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Green

Mike Morrice Green Kitchener Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, four years ago to the day, the government promised a new Canada disability benefit modelled after the guaranteed income supplement. The GIS supports millions of people with a maximum amount of over $1,000 a month. The CDB is slated to deliver a maximum of just $200, and that is to the select few who can qualify for the disability tax credit. Consultations on regulations for the benefit close today.

Will the government listen to the disability community and deliver a Canada disability benefit aligned with its promise four years ago?

Persons with DisabilitiesOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Brampton West Ontario

Liberal

Kamal Khera LiberalMinister of Diversity

Mr. Speaker, we are absolutely committed to making sure we are delivering on the Canada disability benefit. We are stepping up and making sure that more than 600,000 Canadians with disabilities will get the Canada disability benefit. This is what happens when we all work together to deliver for Canadians, and we are absolutely committed to making sure we get it through the finish line.

Notice of MotionWays and MeansOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

University—Rosedale Ontario

Liberal

Chrystia Freeland LiberalDeputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, the government is committed to fairness for every generation and to investing in Canadians. Therefore, pursuant to Standing Order 83(1), I would like to table, in both official languages, a notice of ways and means motion, which contains our plan to make our tax system and our economy fairer for everyone.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), I ask that an order of the day be designated for consideration of this ways and means motion.

Civic-Mindedness and Respect in the House of CommonsOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Salaberry—Suroît, QC

Mr. Speaker, there have been discussions among the parties, and if you seek it, I believe you will find unanimous consent to adopt the following motion:

That the House reiterate that elected officials are invested with the trust of the people and have a responsibility to the office they hold;

That the House reaffirm that violence and threats have no place in Parliament; and

That the House urge all its members to behave with civic-mindedness and respect towards their colleagues, in order to allow a truly constructive debate, in the interests of democracy and the common good.

Civic-Mindedness and Respect in the House of CommonsOral Questions

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay.

It is agreed.

The House has heard the terms of the motion. All those opposed to the motion will please say nay.

(Motion agreed to)

Foreign Interference and Alleged Reputational Harm to Members of Parliament—Speaker's RulingPrivilegeOral Questions

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I am now ready to rule on the question of privilege raised on June 18, 2024, by the member for Vancouver East concerning foreign interference and alleged reputational harm to members of Parliament, as a result of the publication of a report by the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, also known as NSICOP. The report, tabled in the House on June 3, 2024, discussed the threat of foreign interference in Canada's democratic processes and institutions.

In her intervention, the member quoted several extracts of the report supporting the idea that members of Parliament might have, wittingly or semi-wittingly, assisted foreign state actors in undermining Canada's democratic processes and institutions. The fact that the report failed to disclose these members' identities raised questions and cast a pall over the entire House. As evidence to this, the member reported that on the street in front of Parliament, individuals were, “shouting, questioning and jeering [at the members of Parliament] about who the traitors may be.”

She added that the unsubstantiated suspicions were damaging to members' reputations individually and to the House collectively. She concluded by arguing that these suspicions diminished members' and the House's effectiveness and impeded their ability to carry out their parliamentary duties.

According to a long-standing practice, certain conditions must be met for the Speaker to find a prima facie question of privilege. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, page 142 states:

...the Speaker must be convinced that a prima facie case of breach of privilege has been made and, second, the matter must be raised at the earliest opportunity. If the Speaker feels that these two conditions have been met, the Speaker informs the House that, in his or her opinion, the matter is entitled to take precedence over the notices of motions and Orders of the Day standing on the Order Paper.

My predecessors have on occasion rejected questions of privilege on the sole basis that they were not raised in a timely manner. As members can discern, the inherent logic behind this rule is straightforward. It presupposes that if a question of privilege is so important as to require it to take precedence over all other matters of the House, the member raising it presumably would have taken their first opportunity to bring it to the attention of the Speaker.

On May 29, 2008, Speaker Milliken, at page 6277 of the Debates, indicated that:

It is true that members wishing to raise a question of privilege must do so at the earliest opportunity.

However, there is an important nuance.... In this case, as in others, it is not so much that the event or issue complained of took place at a given time, but rather that the members bringing the matter to the attention of the House did so as soon as practicable after they became aware of the situation.

The Chair has always exercised discretion on this point given the need to balance the need for timeliness with the important responsibility members have of marshalling facts and arguments before raising matters of such import in the House.

I note that at least two sitting weeks passed between the release of the NSICOP report and the moment that this matter was raised with the Chair. The facts raised by the member in her arguments had become apparent well before her intervention. The Chair is of the view that the member for Vancouver East had prior opportunities to raise her concerns. As such, this question of privilege fails to meet one of the two conditions to find a prima facie question of privilege.

Nevertheless, the Speaker would like to address the substantive element of the member's concern. The member argued that because the NSICOP report claimed that one or more members were working for a foreign entity, but failed to name them, it raises suspicions about all 338 members, which impeded us all in our effectiveness in carrying out our parliamentary duties. I understand the point the member is trying to make.

To find a prima facie question of privilege on substantive grounds, members must be able to demonstrate how an individual member, or the House collectively, has been interfered with in carrying out their functions. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, at page 148, states:

In deliberating upon a question of privilege, the Chair will take into account the extent to which the matter complained of infringed upon any Member's ability to perform his or her parliamentary functions....

While a member should always care to make this link when raising a question of privilege, it is not enough to assert it in some general way. The member must demonstrate, concretely, how they, or the House, were impeded in the discharge of their functions, and, most important, that evidence exists as to the material interference.

While I understand that findings presented in the NSICOP report are serious and appear to create suspicions about certain members, that in itself is not a basis to establish that this question of privilege merits priority of consideration over all other House business.

Furthermore, the Chair notes that the NSICOP report was made public not only in the interest of public disclosure but also to assist members of Parliament in their understanding of the threat foreign political interference poses to our democratic institutions.

For these reasons, I cannot conclude that either of the necessary conditions has been met to establish a prima facie question of privilege on the matter raised by the member. I thank all members for their attention.

Alleged Failure of Witness to Respond to Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and EthicsPrivilegeOral Questions

3:20 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise today on a question of privilege regarding the ongoing failure and refusal of a witness to provide documents requested by the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics. The committee, under Standing Order 122, has the authority to summon witnesses and compel the production of documents, rights that are essential to the functioning of Parliament, as outlined in the Constitution Act of 1867. These powers are fundamental to our ability to conduct inquiries and obtain the truth, as noted in House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, page 137.

The witness in question, Stephen Anderson, a business partner of the Minister of Employment, was ordered by the committee on June 11 to produce phone records, text messages and call logs from September 8, 2022, but he failed to comply. Despite his appearance on July 17, Mr. Anderson provided non-responsive documents and refused to disclose the identity of the person referred to as Randy in key communications.

This blatant disregard for the committee's orders violates Standing Order 108(1)(a), which empowers committees to access documents relative to their inquiries. The committee extended the deadline to July 19, yet Mr. Anderson continued to withhold the requested information. According to House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, when a witness refuses to comply, the committee may report the matter to the House, which then has the authority to enforce compliance. The committee has now done its part by adopting a motion on this matter.

As House of Commons Procedure and Practice makes clear at page 138, when a witness resists a request for documents, it is up to the House to take appropriate action. Given Mr. Anderson's failure and refusal to comply with both the June 11 and July 19 orders, I ask you, Mr. Speaker, to recognize this as a prima facie breach of privilege that could amount to contempt.

New Democrats believe Mr. Anderson to be in contempt, and the House shall force him to answer for his actions, as well as deliver the documents he refused to produce. The House must uphold the authority to protect our parliamentary privilege in order to ensure accountability and transparency in all matters of government oversight before its standing committees.

Alleged Failure of Witness to Respond to Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and EthicsPrivilegeOral Questions

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I thank the hon. member for his intervention, and the Chair will take that into consideration before coming back to the House.