House of Commons Hansard #342 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was leader.

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Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5 p.m.

Conservative

Melissa Lantsman Conservative Thornhill, ON

Madam Speaker, the Prime Minister is at the UN General Assembly representing the country. He is probably checking out the $9-billion condo.

There is so much that the government owes to Canadians, so many explanations, such as why it spent $67 million on a program to collect guns from people and has not collected a gun; why it cannot stop car thefts by putting scanners in at the ports; why it turns repeat violent offenders out onto the streets moments, minutes or hours after they commit crimes; why the Prime Minister hired an anti-Semite to provide anti-racism training to the Government of Canada; or why he appointed a human rights commissioner he had to fire before he even started because he too was an anti-Semite.

These are just a few examples. I have only 10 minutes, but we could go through a litany of the government's failure to the Canadian people.

This is a country that I think every member of the House, every member on this side of the House, has faith in fixing. With the member for Carleton as the next prime minister, we are going to axe the carbon tax on every single family everywhere in this country, and for good. There would be no more 61¢ a litre and no more loss of $30 billion to our economy. We are going to bring in a middle-class tax cut for workers in this country to make sure they can take more of their paycheque home and make decisions on their own.

We are going to bring in a dollar-for-dollar law, where for every dollar spent in the government, we are going to find a dollar of savings. We are going to cut the massive amount of waste and corruption from that side of the House. We are going to stop the crime by stopping the repeat violent offenders from getting out on bail the second they get into jail, and make sure they cannot serve their sentences in mom's basement while they think about what they have done, only to do it again.

I believe that if other members of the House had any courage, they would understand what Canadians are saying. They would understand that Canadians want a carbon tax election. I would ask that members of the House finally put it to Canadians and give them the carbon tax election they want.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Madam Speaker, it would appear that, based on announcements that were made even last week, today's debate is not about confidence in the government. It is about confidence in the official opposition.

What do our colleagues in the Bloc and the NDP know and why does the member opposite think that they are not going to support the initiative that the Conservatives have put forward?

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5 p.m.

Conservative

Melissa Lantsman Conservative Thornhill, ON

Madam Speaker, what are we talking about? This is about confidence in the Prime Minister. We are arguing that the House has lost confidence in the Prime Minister. I know that I have lost confidence in the Prime Minister. I have just laid out why. I just do not understand why the member does not agree.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Madam Speaker, like Gollum and his “precious”, the leader of the Conservative Party is so obsessed with the throne that even though he gets 125 questions a week, I have never heard him ask a single question about protecting supply management. I have never heard him ask a single question about advance requests for medical assistance in dying. He opposes that. I have never heard him ask a single question about increasing the purchasing power of seniors.

Then he wonders why Quebeckers do not want a Conservative government, any more than they want a Liberal government, and why they vote for the Bloc Québécois.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

September 24th, 2024 / 5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Melissa Lantsman Conservative Thornhill, ON

Madam Speaker, it sounds like that member has a problem with the Liberal government and yet his leader is going to force the entire party to vote to keep the Prime Minister in power, to keep the highest-spending Prime Minister in power against the wishes of Quebeckers, against the wishes of the Quebec premier and certainly against the wishes of his own constituents.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Green

Mike Morrice Green Kitchener Centre, ON

Madam Speaker, the hon. member for Thornhill spoke about encampments. There are encampments right in downtown Kitchener. The number of folks living unsheltered has tripled in recent years and so I share with her that concern, but let us not pretend that this only started in the last nine years. It has been three decades of Liberal and Conservative governments that have taken turns underinvesting in affordable housing and all, of a sudden, a crisis emerges as a result.

Provincial and federal governments have put more and more incentives in place for large corporate investors like real estate investment trusts to buy up housing in my community, raise the rents and renovict folks.

If the member for Thornhill is looking for support to not have confidence in the government, what can she share about truly addressing the affordability crisis when it comes to housing, which involves investing in housing the way we used to decades ago and addressing the financialization of housing in this country?

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Melissa Lantsman Conservative Thornhill, ON

Madam Speaker, the member opposite should just take a look outside. There are 258 tent encampments in Toronto alone, 50 that are new this summer, and that is a direct result of the punishing costs of the carbon tax and a housing plan that has doubled the cost of housing right across the country. We have been very clear that we are going to force municipalities to approve more housing and, if they do not, we will penalize them. We are going to reduce carbon taxes so that the costs of the building materials can be lower. Those are the real solutions. Instead of supporting this government blindly, he should open his eyes and look at all the tent encampments in his own riding.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, I took note of the member's comments when she was talking about the toxic drug crisis. When the Standing Committee on Health visited the epicentre in the Downtown Eastside for two days, not one single Conservative MP bothered to show up to speak to frontline personnel, medical professionals and people with lived experience. If they had showed up, they would have heard a narrative that completely blows up what they are trying to pursue here in the House of Commons.

Conservatives go on and on about tackling harm reduction and safe supply. Is compassionate conservatism now about letting people play Russian roulette on the streets with toxic-laced drugs?

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Melissa Lantsman Conservative Thornhill, ON

Madam Speaker, I thank God that member was not in charge of drug policy when I myself had to get help. I thank God my family was around me with support. I thank God that there was no safe supply because, like so many others, the 47,000 people in this country who have died because of these failed drug policies, I would be dead too.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

Madam Speaker, the motion that we are debating today is pretty simple, but the effect it is having in Canadians from coast to coast is profound. The motion says that the House has no confidence in the Prime Minister and the government. That is not just what we are saying here as a Conservative caucus, but that is what I am hearing in my riding of Fundy Royal, where people now are hurting in ways that they were not hurting before this Prime Minister came along.

Under this Liberal government over the last nine years, we have seen some absolutely astronomical increases in the misery that Canadians are facing, and I want to just speak to a few of those. These are the facts, and Canadians are aware of these facts. In spite of what the Prime Minister will say to try to change the channel, Canadians are smart and attuned to what is happening around them. They know that this government's policies are hurting them and hurting their ability to put food on their table, to pay their mortgage, to pay their rent, to keep their houses heated and to put gas in their vehicles. Everyday Canadians are aware of the impact of this government's reckless actions.

Under this government, in nine years only, they have doubled the debt of this country. They have doubled housing costs: mortgage payments and rent payments are doubled. They have caused the worst inflation in 40 years. They have sent two million people to the food bank. Food bank usage has risen every year for the last nine years, and that is every year that this government has been in power. Every year, they have added to the misery facing Canadians.

We used to look at parts of Vancouver and see the tent cities that had risen up there, and we used to see that as something that was unique to that area, but now, whether I am in Saint John, New Brunswick; Moncton; Fredericton; Halifax; or anywhere from coast to coast, we are seeing tent cities. We are seeing an increase in the misery that Canadians are facing.

Canadians have been forced to pay more for gas, groceries and home heating thanks to this completely out-of-touch Liberal carbon tax. At a time when people are struggling and having to make choices between heating their home, putting food on the table or filling their cars so they can get to work, and heaven forbid if their kids are playing hockey or are into other sports and they have to transport them in their vehicle, Canadians are stretched to the limit. What does this government do? What does this Prime Minister do? They say that, no, Canadians are not paying enough. Even though the carbon tax is hitting people at 20¢ a litre, that has to go up. That has to go up eventually to 61¢ per litre.

In April alone, the Prime Minister increased the carbon tax by 23% as part of his plan to quadruple the tax to 61¢ per litre by 2030. According to the Fraser Institute, this will end up costing the average Canadian worker $6,700 per year and result in 164,000 fewer jobs.

As for the constituents I am talking to, their views on this Prime Minister are being reflected across the country in the by-election results that we have seen. In three by-elections in a row, he has lost, but the conclusion the Prime Minister comes to is that it is not that he is wrong; it is that Canadians are wrong. That is always his default, because he believes that he knows best, he is always right and that everything that we are facing is somebody else's fault.

After nine years, the blame for the situation that we are facing now as Canadians has to be laid squarely at the feet of this Liberal government and this Liberal Prime Minister. This is not some accident. The Prime Minister will often say that there are global trends and so on. The misery that we are seeing, for example the increase in crime, has to be directly blamed on the deliberate actions of this government.

Bill C-75, which was introduced and passed by the current government, created a revolving door so that the default is for an offender to get bail. Bail means that the person is back out on the street after committing a serious offence. We are hearing from experts, police officers and community leaders that the revolving door of repeat and, oftentimes, violent offenders is leading to tragic results. It is not that there are lots of Canadians involved in crime. It is that a small number of Canadians should be in jail, and they are committing a lot of crime.

Let us look at what Statistics Canada says about just how out of control violent crime has become since 2015, the year the Liberals took power. I think members will agree that the numbers are absolutely staggering and are an indictment on the entire approach, the entire soft-on-crime, revolving-door, catch-and-release system that the Liberals have created. Madam Speaker, notice that I do not call it a “justice” system. It is only a system because there is no justice for victims in it. I was very moved at the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights when we had a witness, who was a victim of crime, say that she does not call it a justice system, because she did not see the justice for her and her family in the system.

The crime statistics from Statistics Canada are as follows: Auto theft is up by 46%. Violent crime is up by 50%. Sexual assaults are up by 75%. Homicides are up by 28%. Human trafficking is up by 83%. Crimes against children are up by over 100%, at 118%. Gang-related murders have doubled. Extortion is up by 357%.

The Prime Minister talks a good game about gun crimes, but all we have seen now is $67 million spent on a gun confiscation scheme that has not collected one firearm. For all his talk about firearms crime, what is the result? Violent gun crime has gone up by 116%. In fact, gun crime has gone up every year since the Prime Minister took office. These are deliberate actions.

Bill C-5, another terrible bill by the government, eliminated mandatory penalties related to gun crimes, such as robbery with a firearm, extortion with a firearm, weapons trafficking, possession of a firearm obtained illegally and using a firearm in the commission of an offence. What else did Bill C-5 do? It eliminated mandatory prison time for drug dealers, as well as for those who were convicted of trafficking or possession for the purpose of trafficking, importing and exporting serious drugs and production of a schedule I substance, such as heroin, cocaine, fentanyl or crystal meth. All of these offences are now eligible for house arrest.

The bill also allows for house arrest for sexual assault, kidnapping, human trafficking, motor vehicle theft, abduction of a person under 14, and assault causing bodily harm or with a weapon. Before the current government came along, all the offences I just listed would have meant incarceration; the offender would serve their time out of the community, in jail, where they belong. The community would be safe while the repeat offender was in jail. Instead, under the current government, these individuals are back on the street and committing the same crime over and over again.

I heard one Liberal member mention their so-called safe supply. Just today, the newspaper reported that a “police raid at a heavily used harm reduction site in Nanaimo resulted in” an individual being “charged with 14 counts of possession for the purpose of trafficking and eight weapons offences.” This was so-called legal safe supply. In the same raid, another person “was charged with six possession for the purpose of trafficking and five weapons offences”. As Conservatives have been saying, this so-called safe supply is getting into our streets and harming our young people.

It is time for the Prime Minister to face reality. It is time to call a carbon tax election so that common-sense Conservatives can axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:15 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the member opposite, like all Conservative members, sure has the slogans down pat. I will give him that much. They likely already have the bumper stickers printed to match the slogans.

In their thirst and hunger for power, have the Conservatives given any thought to working for Canadians today until the next election happens? Why not look at the issues Canadians are facing today and start being a little more proactive in allowing legislation, for example, to advance to the committee stage, even legislation they support?

The Conservatives are so focused on the Conservative Party and their leader that they have lost their focus on Canadians. The question is, why?

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

Madam Speaker, the hon. member cannot be real. Conservative members of Parliament come here every day to fight for a better Canada and their constituents. What our constituents are telling us is they cannot afford more years of the government. They cannot afford skyrocketing crime. They cannot afford groceries, heat, their mortgage, their rent or to put food on the table. We have the worst inflation in 40 years. Two million people are attending food banks.

Canadians cannot afford another second of the Liberal government.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his speech and for reminding us how difficult the situation is for many people in Quebec and Canada.

I would like to ask for my colleague's opinion.

If the Conservatives were to form the next government, which they are desperately hoping for, would they be willing to re-evaluate the health transfers to provinces, specifically to Quebec? We know that Quebec has an $11-billion deficit, a sizable part of which is probably due to the federal government's failure to pay the expected $6 billion in health transfers.

I want to know whether a Conservative government would be more inclined to live up to its federal responsibility to make adequate health transfers to provinces.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

Madam Speaker, a new Conservative government is going to focus on improving the livelihoods and lives of all Canadians. We have to end the government's misuse of taxpayers' dollars, this waste we see. When we have waste and scandal in the system, there is less money to go around for the services that we so cherish as Canadians. This is why we are going to stop the crime, fix the budget and build homes. We are going to axe the carbon tax so Canadians can afford to live again.

That is what we are talking about. That is the focus of a new government that is going to be there for Canadians.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Bonita Zarrillo NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Madam Speaker, the corporate coalition of the Liberals and the Conservatives teamed up to make sure that contract flipping was not addressed in committee today. The week before, they teamed up to make sure that Canada's largest corporate landlords did not have to come to committee to be accountable to Canadians.

We know that the Conservatives continue, just like the Liberals, to wine and dine the corporate elites in Canada for fundraising purposes. Why do the Conservatives continue to support the Liberals in protecting their corporate landlords in committee?

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

Madam Speaker, the hon. member is missing the point of the debate today. The Conservative Party is calling for non-confidence. The House does not have confidence in the Prime Minister or the government.

Everything about the government is wrong because it is not putting the people of Canada first. It is selfishly, with much greed, taking more than it should, taking too much from taxes, making it too difficult for Canadian families to make ends meet and punishing good things like going to work, raising a family and driving kids to sports. All of that is punished in Trudeau's Canada, and that's going to change under a Conservative government.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

I will remind the hon. member that we do not mention members' names in the House.

The hon. member for Kildonan—St. Paul will have about two and a half minutes for her debate.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Madam Speaker, tomorrow is the day that Canadians finally have the opportunity to go to an election. We are having a confidence vote tomorrow in the House. There is a real opportunity for Canadians to finally voice their concerns at the ballot box. Many Canadians have been waiting years for this opportunity, and we are at a critical time in Canadian history.

Many members on this side of the House have talked about the promise of Canada, and I too would like to talk about the promise of Canada that I was raised with.

I was raised with stories about my ancestors, the prairie pioneers who came here well over 120 years ago with barely five dollars in their pockets. They worked extremely hard and were able to buy small plots of land. They worked their butts off. They lost many of their children along the way, whether it was from the flu or farming accidents, but they had the opportunity and dream that if they worked hard and made sacrifices, the next generation would be better off. That has been true for every single generation over the last 120 years that my family has been here, until now.

Every single generation has had the opportunity to be better off because of the hard work of their parents and grandparents. However, today, half of my generation, for example, will never be able to afford a home, and to the generation after us, good luck.

We see over two million people going to food banks every month in this country. The breadlines have returned in Canada after nine years of the Liberal government. That is what we are facing in this country as a result of the Liberals' punitive carbon tax and the massive deficits that have driven up inflation. People can no longer afford to live.

Do members know that food banks are seeing for the first time in Canadian history full-time working parents who cannot afford to feed their families? There are 35-year-olds, fully-educated, and working young people living in their parents basements because they cannot afford homes in the neighbourhoods they grew up in. This has never been the case in Canada, ever. However, this is what has happened after nine years of failed Liberal policies. Big government is here to help, but everything has been ruined by the Liberals.

We see time and time again that they are being supported by the NDP and the Bloc. I would urge the NDP and the Bloc to vote non-confidence tomorrow, to step up, have some courage and give Canadians the hope they deserve that change is on the horizon. That can happen tomorrow.

The Conservatives will be voting non-confidence in the Liberal government tomorrow. We are proud to do so.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:25 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

It being 5:27 p.m., it is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith every question necessary to dispose of the business of supply.

The question is on the motion.

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Madam Speaker, we would like a recorded vote of non-confidence in the government.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:25 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the division stands deferred until Wednesday, September 25, at the expiry of time provided for Oral Questions.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, on a point of order, I suspect that if you canvass the House, you will find unanimous consent to see the clock as 5:42 p.m. so we can begin private members' hour.

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:25 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Is it agreed?

Opposition Motion—Confidence in the Prime Minister and the GovernmentBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:25 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Alleged Violation of Standing Order 116 at Standing Committee on Public AccountsPoints of OrderGovernment Orders

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

Madam Speaker, yesterday in the House, the hon. member for Mississauga—Erin Mills rose on a point of order stating that she had been denied an opportunity to participate in debate at the public accounts committee. She confessed that it was unusual, because the Speaker does not normally intervene in committee matters. As chairman, I thought I should respond to the hon. member's point of order.

I would like to first assure the House that debate had collapsed. The member in question did not notify me or the clerk of the committee of her desire to join debate. After the last speaker, I waited a few moments, looking for any other speaker, at which point I called the question. The—