House of Commons Hansard #60 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was industry.

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International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women Members debate the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women, marking the start of 16 days of activism against gender-based violence. They highlight the ongoing femicide crisis, particularly affecting Indigenous women and 2SLGBTQI+ individuals. While the Liberal government outlines funding and legislative measures, Conservatives and Bloc Québécois criticize budget cuts and the Prime Minister's abandonment of feminist foreign policy. New Democrats also call for greater action on MMIWG2S+ recommendations. 4400 words, 35 minutes.

Budget 2025 Implementation Act, No. 1 Second reading of Bill C-15. The bill implements Budget 2025, addressing economic impact through investments in housing, infrastructure, and social programs like the national school food program. Opposition parties criticize the bill's omnibus nature and the government's fiscal approach, arguing it drives up debt and creates a "productivity crisis." Debate also covers the repeal of the luxury tax and concerns about Veterans Affairs funding. 52200 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Prime Minister's conflicts of interest with Brookfield, accusing him of benefiting from its deals. They highlight his failure to reduce US tariffs on Canadian goods, citing his "who cares?" attitude. The party also attacks the government's inaction on pipelines and soaring living costs, particularly food inflation and fuel taxes.
The Liberals highlight their success in securing trade deals and attracting $70 billion in foreign investment to create jobs and grow the economy. They defend Budget 2025 and investments in major infrastructure, supporting vulnerable sectors and criticizing the opposition for voting against Canadian progress.
The Bloc accuses the Liberals of rigging the 1995 referendum by fast-tracking citizenship and manipulating the immigration system. They also criticize the government for abandoning the fight against climate change by approving two pipelines for dirty oil.
The NDP focuses on upholding disability rights and protecting public health care from privatization.

Criminal Code Second reading of Bill C-220. The bill proposes to amend the Criminal Code to prohibit judges from considering a non-citizen's immigration status when sentencing, aiming to ensure that non-citizens convicted of serious crimes face deportation consequences. Conservatives argue this will prevent a two-tiered justice system and uphold the value of Canadian citizenship. Liberals and the Bloc Québécois express concerns about judicial independence, proportionality, and the impact on individuals' lives, suggesting the bill is ill-conceived and not evidence-based. 8600 words, 1 hour.

Softwood Lumber Industry Members debate the ongoing softwood lumber dispute with the U.S., where tariffs have tripled to 45%, leading to mill closures and job losses. The government details financial supports, legal challenges, and domestic demand initiatives. Opposition criticizes "10 years of failure," demanding immediate action, a negotiated deal, and exploring options like buying back duties or a national working table to protect communities. 35400 words, 4 hours.

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Persons with DisabilitiesOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Gatineau Québec

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon LiberalMinister of Transport and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, of course, we have an ongoing dialogue with Canada's transportation companies about ensuring that the mark of a great society is the space and the ability for all members of that society to participate in it. We obviously want the transportation sector to be very reflective of that great generosity in Canada.

We have a proud record on this side of the House in renewing and reaffirming our commitment to accessibility in Canada. We will continue to do that, and we will do it in partnership with the transportation sector.

HealthOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Mr. Speaker, Danielle Smith is making an unprecedented attack on health care in this country. If she is allowed to get away with privatization, it will be the beginning of the end of public, universal, single-payer health care in this country, which is central to Canadian identity.

Alberta health care workers are calling for the government to protect health care and to enforce the Canada Health Act.

Will the Prime Minister protect public health care and enforce the law in this country, or will he just take a photo op with Danielle Smith?

HealthOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Papineau Québec

Liberal

Marjorie Michel LiberalMinister of Health

Mr. Speaker, our new government will always protect the Canada Health Act and Canada's universal health care system. That is why in budget 2025 our new government is investing in our publicly funded health care system, including through generational investments of $5 billion to build health care infrastructures.

We have a collaborative approach with all provinces and territories to ensure that all Canadians continue to have equitable access to medically necessary care based on their medical needs, not on their ability to pay.

Parliamentary Budget Officer—Speaker's RulingPrivilegeOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

I am now prepared to rule on the question of privilege raised on November 17 by the member for Edmonton West regarding information the Parliamentary Budget Officer requested from the government.

The member alleged that a contempt of the House was committed when the government refused to provide in a timely manner information about measures in the 2025 budget, particularly the comprehensive expenditure review. He stated that this refusal was contrary to subsection 79.4(1) of the Parliament of Canada Act and that it compromised the House's ability to hold an informed debate on the budget speech.

The member pointed out that the Parliamentary Budget Officer had informed the House of this refusal by notifying the Speaker, as provided by section 79.42 of the act. In the member's view, the Parliamentary Budget Officer has a legislative mandate from Parliament to play an essential role in providing objective, non-partisan analysis on behalf of the House. He argued that refusing to provide the information the Parliamentary Budget Officer requested is analogous to ignoring a committee's request for documents.

The member asked the Chair to find a prima facie question of privilege so the House can discuss the means by which it might defend its authority and the rights of its officers.

In response, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons stated that the government is working in good faith to provide the information requested. He explained that the government had requested a delay so that it could meet its obligations to the employees affected by the coming reductions. In his opinion, this slight delay did not interfere with members’ rights, as the budget debate concerned a general approval of the budgetary policy, not detailed measures requiring analysis by the Parliamentary Budget Officer.

The member for Saint-Jean echoed the statements of the member for Edmonton West. In her view, the Parliamentary Budget Officer was impeded in his work. Violating a legal obligation to provide a document is an important reason for raising a question of privilege, since such a breach undermines the authority and dignity of the House.

Let us take a few moments to consider the wording of section 79.42 of the Parliament of Canada Act, because it is central to the matter before us. It provides that:

If the Parliamentary Budget Officer is of the opinion that he or she has not been provided with free or timely access to information requested under subsection 79.4(1), he or she may so notify the Speaker of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Commons or any appropriate committee of the Senate, of the House of Commons or of both Houses of Parliament.

Pursuant to this section, the Parliamentary Budget Officer sent a letter to the Speaker, dated November 13, stating that the government would not meet a deadline of November 19, 2025, for providing information about the 2025 budget. A copy of a letter of the comptroller general of Canada confirming that the government would endeavour to provide the information in early December was also obtained. These documents were tabled in the House on Monday, November 17, 2025.

By advising the Speaker of the government's refusal, the Parliamentary Budget Officer made use of the appropriate recourse under the act. Moreover, it appears that one of the purposes of section 79.42, which was put forward during clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-44, Budget Implementation Act, 2017, No. 1, was to give the Parliamentary Budget Officer a parliamentary recourse mechanism in order to eliminate the need for court action. The committee evidence of May 29, 2017, also reveals that this section was designed to enable the House to subsequently demand the information itself, if it considered that appropriate.

It is true that the Parliamentary Budget Officer helps members better understand and debate financial matters. In the Parliament of Canada Act, Parliament gave the Parliamentary Budget Officer the ability to gain access to any government information that falls within their mandate. However, Parliament did not delegate its constitutional powers relating to the production of papers, under which the question of privilege could be brought forward.

When the House is seized of a matter such as the one raised by the Parliamentary Budget Officer, it is up to the House, not the Chair, to decide what response is required and whether to use its powers, which the House has not yet done.

At this time, the House has not adopted any order for the production of documents. Members have multiple ways of bringing matters such as the one raised by the member for Edmonton West before the House and having them debated.

The dispute between the Parliamentary Budget Officer and the government is unfortunate. The Parliamentary Budget Officer's legislative mandate is to support parliamentarians in order to raise the quality of debate and promote greater budget transparency and accountability. The act is clear: The Parliamentary Budget Officer has the right of access to any information that is required for the performance of their mandate. However, it is up to the House to decide how it wishes to respond to this situation. It would therefore be premature for the Chair to make a finding of privilege.

I thank all members for their attention.

The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-15, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on November 4, 2025, be read the second time and referred to a committee, and of the amendment.

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3:20 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise on behalf of our Conservative team to provide my comments and feedback on the Liberals' 10th budget. The more they do it, the more they get used to doing the same thing: adding inflationary deficits to our national debt and raising the cost of living for families in every part of this country.

I have served as a member of Parliament proudly for the last six years. Before that, I served in municipal politics for 12. When I was serving as mayor, as in this role, the one thing I always said is that it is an easy job in politics to tell people what we are going to spend money on; the hard part is telling Canadians how we are going to pay for it.

There is one thing the Liberal government does the best out there. I will give the Liberals credit. I will give them one compliment in my 10-minute speech today. They are the best at photo ops and the word salad in all of the announcements. They make it sound like all of the things they are doing are actually making a difference in the lives of Canadians. The problem is when the reality comes back to them.

What do we see? We see an increased cost of living. We see more difficulty when it comes to affording housing and affording food. Their record is absolutely atrocious. The most frustrating thing when it comes to all of this is their inability to pay for it.

This is what I call a costly credit card budget, in the sense that with a massive $80-billion deficit, they are putting a massive amount of new money on Canada's credit card for future generations to pay. It is about printing more money. It is drives up inflation and drives up the cost of living when they do that.

Again, this has been a pattern we have seen. The Liberals claim to be a new government, but it is absolutely not. This is the same failed approach we have seen for 10 years.

Just look at the numbers right in the budget documents themselves. There is the projected amount of money we will spend in this fiscal year on public debt charges. That is just the interest to service our current national debt, which is about $1.4 trillion. The number is getting so high that we are into the trillions now. It costs $55 billion a year just in interest payments to service that debt. That is all the GST collected in the country. It does not go to health care. It does not go to roads. It does not go to housing. It does not go to fixing our broken bureaucracy. It does not go to improving service at the CRA. Every dollar in GST that is collected in the country goes to paying the interest on our debt.

If we look at the projections, it is $55.6 billion this year, and it is projected, over the next five years, to go up to $76.1 billion. The Liberals will be adding $320 billion more to our national debt over the course of the next five years. Most Canadians can look at that and say that if we keep adding and adding to our credit card with no plan to pay it off, that is not sustainable. That is exactly what we are seeing here with the Liberal budget.

A key part of the budget is homebuilding. We have a real problem in the country with getting homes built and affordable homes built.

I want to take this opportunity to bring up, as all politics is local, the local context from Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, where it was just reported at a Cornwall city council meeting in the last month that, according to the deputy CAO, Cornwall today is “at a standstill”. That is the quote it used.

In a city of 47,000 people, here is where the housing situation and housing starts stand. Only 12 building permits for houses and seven for duplexes have been issued in the city of Cornwall since May. That goes to show that buyers cannot buy, sellers cannot sell and, most importantly, builders cannot build. There are so many Canadians looking for home ownership and looking for new homes. We desperately need millions of new homes just to keep up with demand for affordability.

Right in my proud part of eastern Ontario, we have a very sad circumstance where, at the end of the day, only 19 building permits for houses and duplexes have been issued since May. It is a serious problem. The Liberals keep announcing billions and billions of dollars. They keep creating new bureaucracies. Their latest one is Build Canada Homes. It is another bureaucracy that is adding administrative paperwork and red tape, not actually cutting it.

Here is a fact about how proud the Liberals pretend to be about their housing programs. Their housing accelerator fund has failed badly in eastern Ontario. With red tape, municipalities like Cornwall, local townships in S, D and G and, more importantly, Cornwall and S, D and G housing services are banned from even being able to apply for funding. It has been years. The government has known about this but has not acted. It is blocking our communities from getting our fair share. Not only do we see slow housing starts in Cornwall, but we are seeing an inability for our city and the united counties of S, D and G to apply for help from the Liberal government.

It is failure after failure, but there is a solution I want to highlight. Our positive, constructive Conservative solution has gotten excellent feedback from builders that desperately want to get more shovels in the ground. The Liberals have a lot of half-baked measures. They are only taking the GST off of new homes for first-time homebuyers. As we can see by the stats in Cornwall and across the country, we need to unlock more potential.

What do we need to do? What Conservatives are proposing we do is a game-changer. It is a bold plan to take the GST off all new homes in Canada of up to $1.3 million. That is going to save the average Canadian homeowner up to $65,000. Not only that, but they will save money instantly on the purchase of their house up front, and they will save because they will not have to borrow as much. They could save roughly $3,000 a year in mortgage costs, further helping homes become more affordable in every part of this country.

The experts who analyzed our plan say that not only is it a good one, but it is going to go even further. It is going to boost the number of new homes built each year, sparking an extra 36,000 new homes built in Canada, and it is going to raise an extra $2.5 billion in income tax revenue from trades workers and home builders at a time when we desperately need all of that.

I am proud to stand on the floor to localize the frustrating challenges we have when it comes to homebuilding in the city of Cornwall, but also to highlight the constructive solutions we will be tabling, which are absent from the costly credit card budget of the Liberals. We have opposed this budget because the deficits are extremely high and there are the same old broken approaches when it comes to housing.

I often get asked what I would do to lower expenses. As spending by the Liberal government is out of control, what would I save money on?

There are two points I want to highlight very quickly. One is about trying to find the intelligence and reasoning behind why the Liberals decided, when they have an $80-billion deficit with no plans to balance the budget, to send $500 million to the European Space Agency. At a time when 2.2 million people are using food banks and people are struggling to get by, we are sending half a billion dollars over to Europe to send to space. We are creating European jobs at a time when we need Canadian jobs, with a 6.9% unemployment rate.

The second point I want to highlight when it comes to wasting taxpayers' money is the continued boondoggle of the $742-billion gun grab from law-abiding, legal, trained and tested firearms owners in this country. We have to look no further than Cape Breton, where the pilot of the failed public safety minister shows his failures continue. He had a pilot in Cape Breton, and reports say that as few as 22 firearms were collected from it. Nevertheless, the Liberals want to spend $742 million, which the minister even admitted on leaked audio would not work, as the pilot does not target the people we need to go after: the criminals and gun smugglers in this country. Right there is $1 billion in savings just by using a little common sense when it comes to the budget.

I want to wrap up my comments by acknowledging the many incredible people across S, D and G who are doing their part to help people in challenging times. I have spoken before about the Agape Centre in Cornwall, and now I want to highlight the amazing work the House of Lazarus is doing in Mountain. I had the privilege, as always, of talking with Cathy Ashby, the executive director, and her team there. They have seen a 100% increase in food bank use since 2019. It is not slowing down; it is only getting worse. The summer period alone this year has seen a 45% increase in food bank use. They now serve over 850 people.

It is Canadians like those who volunteer and work at the House of Lazarus who are going to help us get through this challenge. I am proud of their work. I am proud of the great things they are doing to try help people in need in S, D and G.

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3:30 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, the member talks about housing. If we reflect on housing, it is important to recognize that the responsibility for housing is actually with the federal government, the provincial government and the municipal government, not to mention that stakeholders also have a role to play in this.

Now, when the member's leader sat around the cabinet table as the minister of housing, he actually did nothing. On record, he might be the worst minister responsible for housing that the country has ever had in its history. Now, let us contrast that to the current Prime Minister, who has not only committed resources but is committed to working with provinces and municipalities in order to create the housing to meet the needs that Canadians have in all regions. Would the member not agree that the Prime Minister's approach is the best approach?

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3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

Mr. Speaker, when our leader was the housing minister, housing prices were half the price that they are now. The Liberals have doubled housing prices, they have doubled rent, they have doubled mortgage payments, and they have never spent so much money to fail so badly.

What do we see in the budget? What are the Liberals doing? They are doing the exact same thing. The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation and the minister's office of the Department of Housing were not enough, so now the Liberals are adding a new Build Canada Homes bureaucracy as if the third or fourth one is going to make a difference.

Our proposal and our contrast are clear. Taking the GST off all new homes being built in this country up to $1.3 million would save $65,000 up front and $3,000 on mortgage costs. Builders in my community and across the country agree that it would be a game-changer.

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3:30 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Parliamentary Budget Officer estimates that chances of the government meeting its spending reduction targets are roughly 7%.

I will give an example. At the Canada Revenue Agency, the software that is currently being used to process our taxes dates back to the 1980s. Apparently, it is on a black screen with purple text. After not doing any modernization for decades, now the government wants to introduce artificial intelligence and reduce the number of workers at the Canada Revenue Agency. We are told that this is going to save money while providing better service. This is one example that comes to mind when we consider whether the Liberals are likely to meet their spending reduction targets.

Does my colleague think the Liberals are going to meet their spending reduction targets? If they do not, how much bigger will the deficits be in the coming years?

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3:30 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

Mr. Speaker, some of my colleagues said it best the other day. I think the Toronto Maple Leafs stand a better chance of winning the Stanley Cup than the Liberals do of meeting their own spending targets.

I have zero faith when we look at what the Parliamentary Budget Officer has said: There is a 7.5% chance they are even going to meet their own fiscal targets. Just from their budget last year, regarding these fiscal anchors that they talked about, they have broken all of them. They are just getting worse in this, year after year after year.

I will say this about the CRA's performance and how bad and incompetent the current Liberal government has been: It increased spending at CRA by 70%, and I am going to say that service at CRA got about 70% worse. I have never seen a government anywhere, federally, provincially or municipally, that has spent so much money to fail so badly.

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3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, along that same vein of spending so much money and looking so bad, the member for Winnipeg North likes to compare records. I would like to compare records.

In 2015, the budget had a $1.9-billion surplus. In 2025, the budget has an almost $80-billion deficit. In 2015, we were $650 billion in debt as a country. In 2025, we are $1.3 trillion in debt, and we have never seen a government that could spend money faster.

My colleague gave some wonderful examples of food bank line-ups. How can the government spend so much when Canadians get so little out of it?

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3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

Mr. Speaker, it speaks to the point that the Prime Minister is just full of contradiction; he says one thing before the election and does the absolute opposite afterward, and the litany in the list is very, very long. Justin Trudeau, who we all thought was an exorbitant spender, was going to have a fiscal anchor and a deficit last year of no higher than $42 billion.

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3:35 p.m.

An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

“Hold my beer” is right.

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister promised during the election campaign that his deficit would only be $62 billion. Well, here the Liberals are a few months later. They finally get around to tabling a budget, and it is at $80 billion.

They promised to spend less. They are not very good at math, because their deficit is now double what it was projected to be last year. It is absolutely ridiculous and unsustainable.

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November 25th, 2025 / 3:35 p.m.

Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount Québec

Liberal

Anna Gainey LiberalSecretary of State (Children and Youth)

Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to address colleagues on a key measure in budget 2025, the national school food program and the government's intention to enact legislation to make the program permanent.

The national school food program act, which would be enacted through Bill C-15, would set out the Government of Canada's long-term vision for the program, guided by the national school food policy.

This bill reinforces the government's efforts to ensure long-term funding for the program. We are working with the provinces and territories as well as indigenous partners to implement an initiative that enhances and expands school food programs across Canada.

It is not very often that a government measure is enthusiastically received by all provinces and territories, as well as indigenous partners and stakeholders.

In response to this development, the Canadian Teachers Federation said, “Fantastic News! The National School Food Program is here to stay”. The Heart and Stroke Foundation and the Breakfast Club of Canada also applauded this commitment to making the school food program permanent.

I have also met with provincial and territorial counterparts, such as Minister Cleveland from the Northwest Territories and Minister Hindley from Saskatchewan. They emphasize the positive impact that federal investments in school food are having on ensuring more children get nutritious meals at school.

As a result of these discussions, we learned that we are not the only ones who can see that the program is easing the pressure on families. It directly contributes to children's success by improving their health, education and well-being.

My responsibility today is to explain why we intend to make this program permanent and how it will make life more affordable for families across Canada.

Prior to federal investments, school food programs funded by provincial and territorial governments reached at least one in four school-aged children. Provinces and territories continue to invest in school food programming, with total funding estimated at $273 million last year, but persistent affordability pressures have meant that the demand for school food programming continues to grow.

Children deserve the best opportunities for success we can offer. That includes the opportunity to learn in school on a full belly.

In budget 2024, we invested $1 billion over five years to establish a national school food program and signed agreements with all 13 provinces and territories, as well as indigenous partners, to enhance and expand their school food programs.

Having such a program means having access to school lunches without prejudice or barriers, encouraging a healthy lifestyle, and creating connections with the local environment, culture and food systems.

This means prioritizing locally grown, healthy Canadian food while strengthening connections to local farmers, food producers and economies.

Good work is already happening, and it is important to continue this momentum. That is why our government is firmly committed to the national school food program, and this shows in budget 2025, which advances ongoing funding of $216.6 million per year starting at the end of the pilot project in 2029-30. This will make the program permanent.

The national school food program act was also introduced as part of the budget implementation act 2025, which is what we are debating today. The initiative we are cementing would provide up to 400,000 more children each year with access to nutritious meals at school while bringing down costs for parents. Research suggests that participation in such programs can save families with two children in school around $800 a year on groceries.

The school food programs offer immediate and long-term benefits to children and their families and protect them in times of uncertainty. These programs have improved academic performance, promoted better health and health equity, and strengthened ties to traditional cultures and food systems.

The national school food program is part of the federal government's work to build a more affordable Canada. This includes the Canada child benefit and other supports through targeted investments. They are all contributing to our effort to bring down costs for families so that they can get ahead.

The data tells us that every $1 invested in school food yields an estimated $2 to $6 in social returns. Studies also show that children who participate in robust school food programs go on to earn 3% to 5% more than those who do not.

In addition to ensuring that children receive the nutritious food they need, this program helps develop knowledge about food, strengthens communities and fosters local resilience.

I mentioned at the outset that the national school food program has been greeted enthusiastically by Canadians on the ground fighting food insecurity. I will illustrate this point.

As stated in a recent interview with Debbie Field, the national coordinator of the Coalition for Healthy School Food, “This is monumental. This is a generationally important decision that the government has made, and it will literally change the future of Canadian society and the health and well-being of children for generations to come.”

I also heard directly from members of the School Lunch Association in Newfoundland and Labrador. They deliver hundreds of meals each and every day in the federal riding of Central Newfoundland. They said they operate in four schools in the central region, with plans to expand in the area thanks to the additional funding the province will receive from the Government of Canada. Let us not forget that the Conservative MP for that riding called all of this garbage.

In addition, the education minister for the Northwest Territories confirmed to me that, thanks to our government's investments in the school food program in the territory, more children are attending school. Furthermore, according to consultations with Canadians across the country on the national school food policy in 2022 and 2023, affordability is the main reason schools need this program.

One child going to school hungry is too many. It is no way for a child to start their day of learning. It means they are not getting the best start in life, and ultimately that has an impact on all of us. That is why Canada's new government will make such permanent life-changing investments as the national school food program. It is now up to the Conservative members opposite as to whether they will listen to their provincial governments, listen to teachers and listen to their constituents in legislating this investment to help families get ahead.

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3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Lianne Rood Conservative Middlesex—London, ON

Mr. Speaker, I listened intently to the secretary of state's speech.

In my community of Middlesex—London, I am hearing from parents all over, I am hearing from seniors and I am hearing from all kinds of people who say they cannot afford food. The reason they are having a hard time paying the bills, paying for heat and buying food is that the Liberal government's policies over the last 10 years have put them in this financial situation. People are struggling because of the policies of the Liberal government. Parents would not need to use and rely on a school food program if it were not for the fact that the government has put them in the position of having to choose between heating and food.

Can the member opposite comment on whether she and her government would like to change policies to actually put money back in the pockets of Canadians so that parents can afford to feed their kids?

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3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Government of Canada is putting money back in Canadians' pockets. The first thing this government did was cut taxes for 22 million Canadians. Budget 2025 makes historic investments, including in protecting the supports that Canadians rely on to help them with the cost of raising their families and the cost of living.

The national dental care program is an example of this. The reduced fees for early learning and child care across the country, some of which have been reduced by over 50%, are helping families with the cost of raising children. In addition to child care, we have the national school food program, as I mentioned, which puts $800 back in the pockets of families with two children.

On this side of the House, we are investing in families and we are supporting them with the cost of living.

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3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance is taking every opportunity to tell us that the budget invests $115 billion in infrastructure. When we actually look at the new funding, the budget lines indicate $9 billion, not $115 billion.

The Quebec finance department, which is assessing the new amounts, estimated that to be $22 billion over 10 years.

Of the $9 billion over five years that we calculated, $5 billion is for hospital infrastructure. That leaves $4 billion over five years from coast to coast to coast.

Can my colleague explain to me why the Minister of Finance is telling Canadians that there is $115 billion in new money for infrastructure when the real figure is $9 billion?

Does she not find that the Minister of Finance sometimes has a difficult relationship with the truth?

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3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

I am not the Minister of Finance. I do not have the answer to that question. I apologize.

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3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Jessica Fancy-Landry Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Speaker, I commend the work that is being done within the ministry in regard to the school food program. As many members know in this House, I was an educator for almost two decades and an administrator who helped with that program in Nova Scotia.

Nova Scotia was actually one of the first proponents that signed on to this national program, and it has since been an exemplar for the program. I know, from being an administrator, when I was signing off on it, sometimes we think that it is just one meal a day. We can flip that and say it is one healthy meal a day. I know, and my colleagues who are educators all across the country will know, just how important it is for kids, cognitively, when they have their bellies full.

How does the secretary of state feel about having this program that is not a one-off announcement? This is now one of our core funded programs, and I wanted to know how she feels about it.

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Liberal

Anna Gainey Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague for her work as an educator. The voices of educators are in this decision. We have heard from educators, from school boards and from principals across the country about how important school food is to learning for children, to their attention spans and to their capacity to sit still and participate in class. It also has long-term health impacts. There are very positive benefits, obviously, to receiving nutritious meals and to learning on a full stomach. I feel very proud that this government has prioritized this in budget 2025, and that we are making this permanent. I think it is indicative of our commitment to families, to children and to helping them get the best start in life.

To you, particularly in Nova Scotia, there is $12.4 million, and this program is in all 373 schools in your province.

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The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

This is just a reminder to members to speak through the Chair and not directly to other members.

As another reminder, it is important that, if they want to be recognized, members be in their seats as well as have the proper attire, which is why a particular member was not able to be recognized during the debate.

Resuming debate, the hon. member for Middlesex—London.

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Conservative

Lianne Rood Conservative Middlesex—London, ON

Mr. Speaker, Canadians asked for relief, but with this Liberal budget, all they got was spin. Families asked for stable prices, safer streets and a clear plan to grow paycheques and bring investment back. Instead, they got the largest deficit in Canadian history outside of COVID, more debt and more creative accounting from a government that keeps saying, “Trust us”, while going out of its way to make life harder and less affordable.

The public reaction has been telling. Business groups called it directionless. Economists flagged the risks. Community leaders asked where the affordability plan actually is. Even more telling is that the Parliamentary Budget Officer confirmed what Canadians suspected: The government's numbers do not add up in a way that builds confidence or credibility. With $365 million in this budget for advertising, Canadians are literally left paying for Liberal talking points. Conservatives seek to give them results.

I do not expect people to just take my word for this, so here is what our country's top expert has to say on these matters. The Parliamentary Budget Officer told the parliamentary committee that he does not know if the government currently has fiscal anchors, calling that “a considerable degree of concern”. He further cautioned that the government's shifting definitions between capital and operating spending make it “impossible” to assess whether any target will be hit and that “the deficit will absolutely be higher.” He also warned that playing accounting games risks higher borrowing costs for Canadians.

I say, when the referee says the scoreboard can no longer be trusted, the game is in trouble.

Markets hear that. Rating agencies hear that. Families living paycheque to paycheque will end up paying the price in higher interest, weaker growth and fewer opportunities. This budget takes a bad habit and makes it worse, labelling routine spending as investment, backloading costs and burying off-cycle decisions in footnotes. It is typical of the Liberals' playbook to shift the definitions, claim victory and hope that no one reads the fine print. Unlike them, I know Canadians are smarter than that and will not be fooled. They are the ones who are left reading the receipt at the grocery checkout counter, and they see through it. If the plan is so strong, why the constant need to redefine the terms? Why the sudden innovative accounting to make numbers look less bad? When the government changes the ruler, its measurements become meaningless.

The Prime Minister likes to wave around his résumé, but even a first-year student has learned that the rampant spending is not strategy. In a period when inflation has eaten household savings and interest rates remain elevated, this budget piles on new borrowing with no credible path to balance. This is not compassionate assistance to those in need; it is intergenerational transfer, stealing the futures of people's kids and grandkids to fill today's political promises.

Every extra billion dollars borrowed today is a future tax hike or a program cut. Interest on the debt is crowding out the very things Canadians care about: health care capacity, community safety, national defence and infrastructure that actually gets built. We are already spending more just to service the public debt than we are on critical priorities. This budget accelerates that trend.

Investment goes where it is welcome and stays where it is well treated, but this budget doubles down on uncertainty with ever-changing rules, surprise levies and vague megaproject announcements with no shovels in sight. I look at how our dollar is crashing right now. We are witnessing capital choosing clarity elsewhere. Energy, mining and manufacturing projects and payrolls are drifting to jurisdictions with predictable timelines and real competitiveness plans.

We cannot build national prosperity on catchphrase-filled press releases. We build it on a stable, bankable framework that gets things approved and built, like pipelines, power lines, LNG terminals, critical mineral processing and housing at scale. Conservatives have been saying this for years. We have actually invited the Liberal government to steal our ideas. The offer is still open, because clearly they still do not know what they are doing.

The Prime Minister said Canadians would judge him at the grocery checkout. In Middlesex—London they have, and the verdict is not good. By the end of summer, headline inflation was 1.9%, but food inflation was 3.5%, year over year, still outpacing the overall basket. Meat rose by 7.2% and beef was up 12.7%, compared to last year. We cannot view food inflation as a graph. It is supper, and the portions are getting smaller. This is after years of compounded increases.

Let us put this in family dollar terms. In 2025, a typical family of four is expected to spend about $16,800 and change on food, which is up roughly $802 from last year. Over the past several years, the cumulative climb is now in the thousands of dollars. Many families describe it as hundreds more each year, with the steepest jump happening right now. In Ontario, staples keep getting higher. Sirloin is up 33%; canned soup is up 26%, coffee 22% and sugar 20% in recent months.

A rebate cheque is not a food policy. A school meal press release does not reduce the price of groceries for a two-income family just trying to keep the lights on and gas in the car. When government policy drives up costs then offers taxpayers their own money back, that is not help; it is a headline. If the Liberals let people keep more of their own money, they would not have to play saviour and feed their kids for them. They created the problem, and now they want us to pat them on the back and say “good job” for refusing to fix it.

I want to share some of the many voices from Middlesex—London, anonymized because Conservatives believe people deserve privacy from their government, but their words deserve the House's attention. I quote: “We're choosing between groceries and gas this month. If something breaks, we're sunk.” I quote: “Both of us work full-time. We've never used a food bank before. Now we do twice a month.” I quote: “I don't want a one-time cheque. I want my weekly grocery bill under control.”

Food bank use is up sharply across this country. Major urban centres are reporting record visits. Local food banks are stretched thin and are often forced to reduce what goes into each hamper. That should not be the normal in a country blessed with farmland, energy and ingenuity. It is the consequence of Liberal political and policy failures on competition, supply chains, energy and taxes that pile on costs every step of the way.

However, the Liberal government thinks it can trick people. The budget inserts the word “affordability” into more programs and more announcements, but the structure is the same: centralize, spend, label it investment and hope prices somehow come down. Here is a news flash: They will not, not while we constrain energy, choke approvals, fail trade negotiations and add costs at each link in the supply chain from farm to fork.

Families need less government in the checkout lane and more common sense in policy. Conservatives do this. We keep policy simple, demanding that the government scrap hidden and cascading taxes that inflate the cost of producing and transporting food, fast-track logistics and processing capacity so harvests move more efficiently and cold storage is available, increase real competition in grocery retail and wholesaling by ending the supply chain bullying that feeds higher prices and green-light energy and critical infrastructure to reduce embedded costs in every product on the shelf. That is what a real plan looks like. Canadians want a plan that measures success by lower prices, more paycheques and safer communities, not by how many failed programs were renamed.

A Conservative plan means we will bring home lower costs and cut wasteful spending; unleash homegrown energy and industry; approve and build energy infrastructure, pipelines, power lines, LNG, nuclear and mining; streamline permits with firm timelines and a “one project, one review” rule; restore competition and fairness in the food supply chain; remove expensive hidden taxes on food such as the industrial carbon tax, front-of-pack labelling and the plastics registry; maintain safe streets, secure borders and get serious about justice.

We will end catch-and-release for violent repeat offenders; enforce at the border to stop the smuggling that fuels organized crime and drives up costs through theft and insurance; focus police resources on criminals and not on law-abiding citizens; have a credible fiscal anchor; publish a clear and independently verifiable path to balance; stop shifting definitions to game the ledger; and invite the PBO to audit the government's capital and operating methodology so that Canadians and markets can trust the numbers once again.

In Middlesex—London, farmers, processors, truckers, shopkeepers and families are not asking for utopia. They are asking for the government to stop getting in the way: predictable rules, faster approvals, real competition and honest books. They are asking to bring discipline to government so families can bring dinner to the table. They want to make more here at home, such as food, energy and materials, and build homes and industry so we are not at the mercy of foreign supply chains and foreign governments. That is real resilience. That is the Canadian way.

This budget is a glossy brochure for a product that keeps breaking, and Canadians have tried it for 10 years. The Liberal lemon costs more, delivers less and leaves future generations with the bill. Enough is enough.

To the families in Middlesex—London, we—

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The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

Questions and comments, the hon. member for Winnipeg West.

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Liberal

Doug Eyolfson Liberal Winnipeg West, MB

Mr. Speaker, the government is constantly being accused of driving up inflation, yet according to the International Monetary Fund, Canada's inflation is consistently the second-lowest in the G7 and the fourth-lowest in the G20.

How is this out-of-control inflation when, on the world scale of comparator countries, we are near the bottom for the rate of inflation?