House of Commons Hansard #24 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was victims.

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Relieving Grieving Parents of an Administrative Burden Act (Evan's Law) First reading of Bill C-222. The bill amends EI and Canada Labour Code to allow parents on parental leave to continue receiving benefits after a child's death, easing administrative burden and red tape for grieving families. 300 words.

Keeping Children Safe Act First reading of Bill C-223. The bill amends the Divorce Act to give children a voice, consider coercive control and family violence, and prevent practices like forced reunification therapy, ensuring children's safety and preferences in divorce proceedings. 200 words.

Food and Drugs Act First reading of Bill C-224. The bill amends the Food and Drugs Act to reverse changes made by Bill C-47, aiming to restore the traditional definition of natural health products and separate them from therapeutic products. 300 words.

Criminal Code First reading of Bill C-225. The bill proposes amendments to the Criminal Code to address intimate partner violence, creating unique offences, presuming first-degree murder in partner homicides, allowing judicial risk assessment custody, and streamlining evidence procedures. 300 words.

National Framework for Food Price Transparency Act First reading of Bill C-226. The bill establishes a national framework for food price transparency by implementing unit pricing across Canada. This aims to empower consumers to compare prices, make informed choices, and save money on groceries. 100 words.

National Strategy on Housing for Young Canadians Act First reading of Bill C-227. The bill establishes a national strategy on housing for young Canadians. It calls for the federal government and partners to understand unique barriers and develop lasting solutions for young people facing the housing crisis. 300 words.

Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Act First reading of Bill C-228. The bill requires Parliament to review and vote on trade agreements before ratification, and mandates the government to table and publish agreement texts for greater transparency and public input. 200 words.

National Framework on Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Act First reading of Bill C-229. The bill establishes a national framework for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). It aims to provide tools for doctors and teachers to diagnose, treat, and support people with ADHD, improving outcomes. 300 words.

Petitions

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat Offenders Members debate rising crime rates and the Liberal government's justice reforms. Conservatives move for a "Three-Strikes-And-You're-Out" law, alleging a 50% increase in violent crime due to Liberal policies that facilitate repeat offenders. Liberals promise bail reform legislation this fall, emphasizing evidence-based solutions and shared provincial responsibility. Bloc Québécois and NDP members critique the Conservative proposal as ineffective and unconstitutional, advocating for rehabilitation, judicial discretion, and addressing the root causes of crime. 52000 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Members' Access to Federal Penitentiary Kevin Lamoureux responds to a question of privilege concerning an MP's alleged obstruction and intimidation accessing a federal penitentiary, arguing the MP was granted access and it's not a breach of privilege. 300 words.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives heavily criticize the Liberal government's poor economic performance, citing high unemployment, rising food inflation, and increasing deficits. They condemn the catch-and-release justice system for causing a surge in violent crime, advocating for a "three strikes" law. They also question government transparency regarding Canadian jobs and trade deals.
The Liberals emphasize their economic strategy to diversify trade partners, noting the Bank of Canada's rate reduction and significant investments in infrastructure. They are committed to strengthening public safety with bail reform and the Strong Borders Act, while rejecting "three strikes" laws. The party highlights social programs like the Canada Child Benefit and affordable housing, and improving CRA services. They also reiterate their commitment to fighting climate change.
The Bloc condemns Ottawa's attack on Quebec's autonomy and the notwithstanding clause, and criticizes the partisan judicial appointment of Robert Leckey. They also accuse the Liberals of abandoning climate change targets and promoting oil and gas.

Adjournment Debates

Cost of living and inflation Cathay Wagantall criticizes the Liberal government's spending and its impact on the cost of living. Carlos Leitão defends the government's actions, citing measures to reduce taxes and increase competition in the grocery sector. Sandra Cobena focuses on the struggles of families facing rising costs, and Leitão blames external pressures.
Affordable housing initiatives Marilyn Gladu questions the Liberal's housing plan, citing high costs per unit and a lack of progress. She proposes investing in shovel-ready projects in her riding. Jennifer McKelvie defends the government's initiatives, including tax cuts and the "build Canada homes" agency, emphasizing affordability and modern construction methods.
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Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is quite clear that the Bloc Québécois is against the Conservative motion, because these are rather populist positions imported directly from the United States that have already been shown to be ineffective. My colleague talked about that. Personally, I have not seen any studies proving that the Conservatives' proposal would have any positive effect on the fight against crime.

I would like to know if my colleague has any information or scientific studies that might show that the Conservatives' proposal would have a positive impact, because for now, we are seeing absolutely nothing.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that question from my colleague. It is very thoughtful.

That is what I have been trying to say: This policy did not work in the United States. The research shows that instead of bringing about the desired change, this policy increased the crime rate. Instead of proposing such legislation, the Conservatives should support the bills the government is already proposing in the House. We have already introduced Bill C-2, and we are getting ready to introduce a bill that will fight crime in our country.

As I already said, there are victims of crime in all of our communities. We were elected and have the mandate to solve this problem. However, the type of legislation being proposed today does not work. In several U.S. cites, it was actually associated with an increase in crime. This U.S. policy will not work in Canada.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent—Akiawenhrahk, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to commend and congratulate the member on her speech and her excellent French. Speaking of policies that do not work, these people have been governing Canada for 10 years now.

In 10 years, what have they done about crime in Canada? Violent crime is up 55%, gun crime is up 130% and extortion is up 330%. Is Canada really doing so well?

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier, U.S. policies will never work in Canada. Also, if I may, I would like to remind him that I am a francophone. There is no need to thank me for speaking French, because I am a francophone.

The point I was trying to make is that importing U.S. policies to Canada has never worked and will never work. The proof is that my colleague's leader was not elected as the head of the Government of Canada.

Canadians have asked us to make sure that we address these issues. We have bills that we are in the process of implementing, and it would be great if my colleague could support them.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Zoe Royer Liberal Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Mr. Speaker, my constituents have indicated to me, time and time again, at the doorstep and this summer, that they really want political parties to work together.

We know that the federal government plays a role in this important question. We also know that parole boards and provincial courts are important. Our Prime Minister has committed to bringing important legislation forward this fall.

Will the Conservatives work with us—

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:55 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

I have to give the last 10 to 15 seconds to the member for London West, very briefly.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the member's question, and I welcome her to the House as a new member.

Our Prime Minister has been very serious in addressing this issue. We have a public safety minister, we have a justice minister and we have a secretary of state who is in charge of combatting crime. This government is serious about crime, and we are going to do it.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:55 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the ordinary time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Yorkton—Melville, Finance; the hon. member for Newmarket—Aurora, Finance; the hon. member for Sarnia—Lambton—Bkejwanong, Housing.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:55 p.m.

Châteauguay—Les Jardins-de-Napierville Québec

Liberal

Nathalie Provost LiberalSecretary of State (Nature)

Mr. Speaker, I would first like to thank the hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot for moving this motion. Public safety is definitely an issue that all people in Canada care deeply about, and it is something that I personally have cared deeply about for many, many years. I have been advocating for better gun control in Canada for over 15 years now. The main objective of my personal commitment is keeping all Canadians safe. Having the opportunity to rise in the House today for the first time to debate a motion on this subject is truly an extraordinary opportunity for me.

I know that everyone deserves to feel safe in their home and in their community. There is nothing more difficult than going through every day with a constant feeling of anxiety. I personally felt that way for many years after what I experienced at École Polytechnique. I am aware that people are feeling increasingly unsafe in some places in Canada and that we need to take action.

It is this shared concern about public safety that makes Canadians particularly alert to the threats posed by gangs, gun violence and organized crime. Recent headlines and certain high-profile incidents remind us of the challenges posed by organized crime. Criminal groups continue to adapt, exploit new technologies and increase their influence. We are very concerned, particularly for young people who get carried away by advertisements on Facebook or Instagram and get pulled into the criminal world almost without realizing it. Illegal firearms are also being smuggled across our borders and networks of extortionists are targeting families and small businesses. These are very serious threats that demand serious answers.

Although the federal government enacts the laws governing bail, it is important to remember that the provinces and territories are responsible for administering the system on the ground. This includes conducting bail hearings, enforcing bail conditions, and managing remand centres. These responsibilities put provinces and territories on the front lines of our collective effort to protect communities from violent repeat offenders, gang-related activity, and gun crime. The provinces and territories are not playing a supporting role. Rather, their role is essential to ensuring that the bail system effectively responds to the threats posed by organized crime and serious violence.

Any suggestion that only the federal government or only one level of government is responsible for this issue shows contempt for the entire justice system—ours, at the federal level, but also that of the provinces and municipalities. It is therefore important that we resume our dialogue with a view to achieving our common goal of public safety. The government must work closely with the provinces and territories, as we are currently doing, to strengthen our collective response to violent crime and organized crime networks. The federal government is also working to provide law enforcement with new and more effective tools to disrupt gang activity, stop illegal firearms trafficking, and hold violent offenders accountable for their actions.

Over the last few years, the federal government has taken significant steps to reform bail laws. In 2023, the former Bill C‑48 expanded provisions related to the reverse onus for violent repeat offenders and required courts to explicitly consider public safety when making bail decisions. This former bill also added new firearms offences to the list of offences covered by the reverse onus provisions, including unlawful possession of a loaded prohibited or restricted firearm, breaking and entering for the purpose of stealing a firearm, robbery with the intent to steal a firearm and the manufacturing of an automatic firearm.

The federal government also plans to make it more difficult for individuals to get bail if they have been charged with violent car theft, break-ins and certain offences related to human trafficking and smuggling. I would like to emphasize that while reforming the law is important, it is not enough on its own to address public safety concerns.

The federal government has invested over $920 million to combat gun smuggling at the border, build law enforcement capacity and work with the provinces, territories, municipalities and indigenous communities to develop gun and gang violence prevention and intervention initiatives.

I will pause here for a moment to remind all my colleagues that I represent the riding of Châteauguay—Les Jardins-de-Napierville. Everyone in the region is very aware of the major problem we have with firearms trafficking, unfortunately. It is therefore very important to me, as the member for this riding, that we think about strengthening border measures related to this issue.

With that in mind, we have not only strengthened measures at the border, but also provided over $214 million to the gun and gang violence action fund. We have also invested $250 million in the building safer communities fund to support local and indigenous initiatives, and we have provided $312 million to enhance Canada's firearm control framework. I am very pleased about that, and we will continue to move in that direction to support gun control.

These investments are paying off. Thanks to new tools and technologies, as well as the hard work of the RCMP and the Canada Border Services Agency, the CBSA, we are seeing an increase in firearms seizures and arrests at our borders. The federal government is also planning to recruit 1,000 more RCMP officers to combat drug trafficking, human trafficking, foreign interference, cybercrime, and organized crime gangs that steal cars. The federal government also plans to train 1,000 new CBSA officers to combat drug trafficking, particularly fentanyl and its precursors, as well as illegal firearms, and to prevent gangs from stealing cars and smuggling them out of the country. Lastly, the federal government is working to add scanners, drones and detector dog teams to better target suspicious shipments.

As we know, crime is not just a matter of statistics. It also has a profound impact on people. Communities affected by gun violence and organized crime deal with trauma that can take generations to heal. Individuals also suffer in the same way. I could go on at length about that. That is why prevention must be the core of any long-term strategy. Prevention means investing in youth and supporting programs that keep young people out of gangs while offering them meaningful alternatives through education, employment or mental health supports. It means empowering local leaders, faith groups, community organizations and families to be part of the solution.

That is why we are going to continue to work with the provinces and municipalities to put in place wraparound services that are focused on providing solutions to reduce crime and reoffending. We also recognize that a modern, effective system needs to be data-driven and transparent.

People in Canada deserve to see every level of government working together, not only on bail reform laws, but also with respect to monitoring, law enforcement and effective prevention. I hope that my colleagues will support us and reflect on the legislative measures we have proposed for adjusting our system. Unfortunately, the system being proposed by my colleague from Battle River—Crowfoot does not work. Let us work together. We will get there.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Mr. Speaker, it seems to me that the Liberals, for 10 years, have been obsessed with firearm-related violent crimes. I just looked up a Statistics Canada report from 2023. The minority of homicides in our country and the vast minority of violent crimes in our country are associated with firearms. We have seen the terrible events associated with vehicular homicide.

If the Liberals' approach to violent crime is so focused on firearms, why are we seeing continued increases in homicide and firearm homicide in our country? What is not working, and what is different about the approach the member is speaking about today?

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Nathalie Provost Liberal Châteauguay—Les Jardins-de-Napierville, QC

Mr. Speaker, I hope my colleague is okay with me responding in French.

The question today is not on gun control measures. The heart of today's discussion is the importance of effectively dealing with crime in our society and the rise in violence. The work we are doing on gun control is part of that work, work that should have a lasting impact. As a gun control advocate, I have always known that this was only one element among a host of measures that needed to be put in place.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate my colleague from Châteauguay—Les Jardins-de-Napierville, my riding neighbour, on her speech. We share a lot of common ground, based on what she said, and I know that she has been through some truly horrific experiences in her life, which have left their mark on her. When she talks to us today about fighting crime or the importance of tackling it, she is also drawing on her personal experience. I know that she is also a problem solver.

I have already asked this question before, but this time I am asking her. The Bloc Québécois has proposed that better guidelines be issued regarding the Jordan decision and that offences related to sexual crimes, terrorism and firearms not be subject to the Jordan decision. Our courts are completely swamped, as we know, and, unfortunately, many cases in Quebec have escaped justice because—

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

I am sorry to interrupt the hon. member, but I have to allow enough time for the answer.

The hon. secretary of state.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Nathalie Provost Liberal Châteauguay—Les Jardins-de-Napierville, QC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for her very interesting question. I am convinced there would be value in discussing the context in which the Jordan decision applies to women who are victims of violence or of certain other types of crime, and who deserve special attention, and, in this context, the Jordan decision simply penalizes the victims.

I am certain that my government would agree to examine solutions along those lines. I invite my colleague to expand on those thoughts with the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sima Acan Liberal Oakville West, ON

Mr. Speaker, as a Halton Region MP, I would like to raise one thing that was brought up in the debate by the member for Abbotsford—South Langley about the Halton Region motion that was tabled yesterday, which also called on the province to take action on crime. In 2017, the member for Ottawa Centre announced a courthouse in our region. It was fully funded on federal land, and after eight years, we do not have the courthouse.

I spoke to many experts during the summer. Maplehurst is over its limits, and according to experts, there is less JP training in Ontario than in the other provinces.

I would like to ask my colleague if she was aware of those facts.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Nathalie Provost Liberal Châteauguay—Les Jardins-de-Napierville, QC

Mr. Speaker, unfortunately I am not aware of the specific facts provided by my colleague. However, I understand the spirit of her intervention.

As I was saying to my colleague from Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, I have no doubt that these concerns can be considered by the team at the Department of Justice and by the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to join this debate on the opposition motion put forward today. However, before I do that, as it is one of the first times I have been on my feet after the last election, I would like to thank a few people for once again allowing me to be here as the voice of the good people of Regina—Lewvan.

It is my third term, so 2019, 2021 and 2025. It has been an honour to be here for almost six years. Obviously, none of us get to this place without a lot of help, and I had a great campaign manager, Shelley, who did an awesome job. We had a team out every day knocking on doors: Khrishno, Brian and Anshumaan. We had a great group of people who helped, such as Ron. I could go on and on, but if I miss someone I will feel bad. There was a core group that came out a lot and helped us knock on 43,000 doors throughout the campaign to earn the vote of people from across Regina—Lewvan.

That being said, there is a core group of people I would not be here without, and they are my wife Larissa and our three kids, Jameson, Claire and Nickson, who started school last week. Dad got to be there for their first day of school, and it was fantastic. They are having a great time in school. I hope they are almost out of school by now. If I am not mistaken, they are heading to the hockey rink right away. From the bottom of my heart, I thank Larissa very much for being the glue that holds our family together.

The motion before us today was put forward by the Leader of the Opposition. I think we have gone back and forth on a few things, so I will read it to make sure we know what we are debating on the floor of the House today. It says:

That, given that the Liberal government has changed the law to allow for house arrest for serious offenders and lets repeat criminals go free within hours of their arrest, which has resulted in a 50% increase in violent crime, the House call on the Liberal government to replace these changes with a "Three-Strikes-And-You're-Out" law that will stop criminals convicted of three serious offences from getting bail, probation, parole or house arrest and keep violent criminals in jail for at least 10 years.

How did we get here? Why is a law like this being brought forward by the opposition? We have a solution, and I will go through three or four things that this motion and our proposed law would change. However, we have to know what the problem is. Over the last 10 years, the problem has been a couple of bills that have been put forward, Bill C-75 and Bill C-5, and we can see the results.

This is not a new government. The Liberals have been in government for 10 years, as everyone knows, and I think they should be judged by the lack of progress they are making on certain files.

These numbers are from StatsCan; I am not making them up. Since 2015, gun crime has skyrocketed 130%. Instead of targeting the criminals responsible, the government doubled down on law-abiding firearm owners. The number of homicides has increased by 29%, and sexual assault has increased by almost 76% in this country. Despite the rapid rise, we have seen a refusal of the government to commit to making it tougher for people to get out on bail. We hear this from police associations across the country. There are people who get arrested hundreds of times. We have heard the numbers. People may say that our proposed law may not be the solution for everything, but it is going to help. If the people who continuously commit crimes are in jail, there is going to be less crime.

For example, in Kelowna, 15 people committed 1,300 crimes. If those people were in jail, there would be 1,300 fewer crimes committed in that city. In Vancouver, as we have heard time and again, 40 people committed 6,000 crimes. I think everyone in this room could agree that if those 40 people were in jail, there would be less crime in Vancouver. I do not think it is a big leap to think that if criminals are in jail, they are not able to commit crimes.

Here are some of the solutions that we have brought forward and some of the things that this proposed law would do. The Conservative bill would repeal and replace the Liberal principle of restraint with a directive for primary considerations to be the protection and safety of the public. It would introduce a new major offence category with reverse onus bail conditions for charges relating to firearms, sexual assault, kidnapping, human trafficking, home invasion, robbery, extortion, arson and assault. It would strengthen bail laws by mandating judges to consider the full criminal history of an accused, would prevent anyone convicted of a major offence in the last 10 years while also on bail and charged with a major offence from getting bail, and would toughen the risk assessment standards from “substantial likelihood” to “reasonably foreseeable”. It would also prohibit anyone with an indictable conviction from acting as the guarantor who ensures bail conditions are followed, would require judges to enforce bail conditions on guarantors and would require non-residents to surrender their passports upon request.

Before I go on, I want to inform you, Mr. Speaker, that I will be splitting my time.

These are four things that the “three strikes and you're out” law would help with, which I would think most people would see as reasonable improvements to the bail system.

I do want to talk about a few of the comments that some of my colleagues made in the House today. If people across Canada have been watching, they would see a distinct difference between what Conservatives have been talking about and what the Liberals, and especially the New Democrats, have been talking about. We have been talking about the victims and the rights that victims should have, and ensuring that victims are taken care of. A lot of focus, especially from the NDP member, was on criminals. Forgive me, but I will always make sure victims' rights are ahead of criminals' rights.

Can members imagine someone getting out on bail again and again and committing crimes? Especially when these people is out on bail, can the Liberals not feel for the victims, who have to see them in their neighbourhoods, in their community? This is from experience. When someone we love has been hurt, and the offender is within our community, every time we see a car like theirs, the hair on the back of our neck stands up. Every time we see them in a grocery store, our pulse quickens and our palms get sweaty. We just feel at a loss because this person is walking free, and the person we love who was hurt will never again feel the same.

This is what we are doing to Canadians across the country with the soft-on-bail policy brought in by the Liberal government. The fact that they will not vote for a motion and will be obstructing our ideas to ensure Canadians are safer, quite frankly, confuses me. We are trying to work together. Everyone is talking about Parliament now coming together and working. I heard one of my Liberal colleagues say, “It increased crime by 11% in the States. It did not work in the States, so it will not work here.” An increase in crime in Canada by 11% is a lot better than the 130% increase over the last 10 years under the government.

It really is the definition of insanity to do the same thing over and over again, as the Liberal government does, and expect different results. Members of the police force even get tired of arresting the same person. They do not even know why they charge them because they get out the very next day or that night. I could not even imagine being on the front lines as a police officer and seeing the same person go into jail, get out of jail, go into jail and get out of jail. It must be tough for the police officers to go to work, knowing that the person from whom they are trying to protect the community will laugh at them when they arrest them because they know they are going to get out because bail is so easy to get in this country. It is time to make the right decisions.

I will just end with another story from the small town I am from. This summer, there was a bust and a sting, and a person was found having a lot of child pornography in our small community. He went to court, and he was out that afternoon. This person lives two blocks from my kids' school. They picked the rental house because it has a little library full of kids' books, just to make sure the kids would stop by and take books out. He was released that day from court. He had child pornography, and my kids had to walk past that guy's house to go to school. It was unbelievable for the town. Parents were outraged, as they should be. How can that happen in Canada, that someone like that is allowed to be released the same day and be within two blocks of our kids' school?

That is something that needs to be fixed in our country. I hope some of my colleagues listen to the words I am saying, look at this motion, look at the “three strikes and you're out” bill to try to protect Canadians and put victims first by putting criminals in jail.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Châteauguay—Les Jardins-de-Napierville Québec

Liberal

Nathalie Provost LiberalSecretary of State (Nature)

Mr. Speaker, I was deeply moved as I listened to what my colleague went through. These situations scare all Canadians, but unfortunately, they do exist.

However, I would like to truly understand to what extent today's motion would improve victims' rights or respond to this issue. I do not understand this at all. Unfortunately, we know that this measure has not worked in the past. I would really like to hear my colleague speak about victims' rights and the link with today's motion.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, this proposal would help victims through their knowing that the people who commit crimes against them will be in jail and not in the community with them and their family members. If we are going to put victims first, the people committing these crimes against Canadians should serve the time and not be out on parole. If someone commits serious offences three times, and victims know that those people are in jail for 10 years, the victims might sleep a little better at night.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Mr. Speaker, my colleague spoke about the difference of ideology and priorities that seem to appear very evident across this floor. In 2015, before the Liberal government was in force, Conservatives brought in the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights, which was to be reviewed in 2020. I remember trying to get the government to do that, but I do not know that it ever did. It would be really good if a few of the members over there focused on that.

However, the ombudsman did speak up, and I want to ask the member to respond to what she said:

However, based on our analysis..., it appears that the objectives set out in the Act have not been met. The Act falls far short of delivering the real rights it promised.... Thus, the situation of victims of crime has not fundamentally changed since it was passed. I believe the Act needs to be strengthened to require officials to uphold victims’ rights in the criminal justice system and require institutions to measure and report on their compliance with the Act.

Is this something—

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

The hon. member for Regina—Lewvan.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the commitment of my colleague from Yorkton—Melville to victims' rights.

Yes, I think that act should be strengthened. As the member said, the review did not happen. It would once again be another arrow in the quiver of making sure victims do get justice and have their rights heard. If it was reviewed, we would strengthen it to make sure we are listening to the people who have had these crimes committed against them to make sure we do the right things going forward.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Marc-Aurèle-Fortin Québec

Liberal

Carlos Leitão LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Mr. Speaker, we had an election in April, and this motion was a main component of the electoral platform of the Conservative Party. The people spoke, and the Conservatives were not elected.

“Three strikes and you're out” was first tried in the United States, in California, some years ago, which has now come to the conclusion that it does not work. Therefore, why would it work in Canada?

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, yes, we did have an election on April 28, but eight million Canadians voted for our platform, and they should have a voice in the House. If you assume that you do not have to listen to anyone who did not vote for you, I think you are in the wrong job. That is not right.

The member talked about trying things that have not worked in other countries. The Liberals tried safe supply, and it had not worked in Oregon. They tried drug legalization, and it had not worked in Venezuela. They have tried a lot of policies that have been tried around the world that failed miserably. I said earlier that, if crime increases by only 11%, like it did in California, instead of 130%, that is a lot better than what has happened in the last 10 years under the Liberal government.

Opposition Motion—Violent Crime and Repeat OffendersBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5:20 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

I would remind members to address their comments through the Chair.

Resuming debate. The hon. member for Bourassa.