House of Commons Hansard #162 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was illness.

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Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:20 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, just to pick up on that, I think that is a very important point about the way advance directives operate now and the proposal for an advance directive for MAID. Advance directives now are essentially negative, saying “Do not do this to me”, or “Do not intervene under certain circumstances”. It is necessary that such a framework exists for indicating non-intervention in certain cases.

That is very different from a person saying, “In a certain set of hypothetical circumstances, I want this thing done to me.” There is no other instance in which we create an advance directive for a positive action against a person, nor would we allow advance consent in other such cases. We can think of many cases of lesser gravity than ending a life where we simply do not allow advance consent. We require contemporaneous consent as a necessary condition of autonomy. This is a radical departure from that in what consent means.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:20 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if there was a question. I think it was more of a statement.

I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment. That is the fundamental issue with this. This is an advance directive on MAID. Someone does not come back from that. It is the end of their life, and that decision will be made by somebody other than them.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:20 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, tonight, I am addressing the House on Bill C-41, the latest attempt to further expand the cases in which a doctor or nurse practitioner is legally permitted to end the life of their patient, a practice which is generally, if euphemistically, called MAID in Canada.

The bill proposes to allow the use of so-called advance directives for MAID. Bill C-41 would allow a patient to sign an advance directive permitting a doctor or nurse practitioner to kill them under certain future circumstances, perhaps years or decades in the future. Necessarily, other people would have to assess and determine whether the conditions in the signed document had been met. The patient would have delegated the power over life and death for themselves to another person. Bill C-41 would eliminate the legal requirement that a person consent to their death when they are dying. It would replace the requirement for contemporaneous consent with advance consent.

Of course, advance consent is inevitably less clear in practice than contemporaneous consent. In the signing of an advance directive, a person would be making a prediction about how they think they would feel under certain future circumstances that they likely have not experienced before. They would be making a prediction about how their future self would feel and what their future self would want. They would be judging the situation from the outside without lived experience.

In practice, people would likely be presented with pro forma advance directives based on a common template and told that typically people in such a situation sign something like this or want something like that, etc. We already know these kinds of proposals to people who are not asking for them are occurring. Perhaps these pro forma advance directives would be given to people right after a new diagnosis is given, when a person is understandably scared about the unknown and about what they would feel under new circumstances, and they would trust authority figures and sign these pro forma documents.

This would then provide those same authority figures with options, but certainly not clarity. They would later look at a patient and compare that pro forma directive with their assessment of the patient's current condition. Do they seem happy, content? Is their life worth living? How does what they wrote or signed on the page compare to what we guess might be going on in their head today?

Certainly in so many cases there would be a variety of different interpretations. Perhaps the burnt-out spouse and caregiver would think the conditions of the advance directive are met, while the adult children would think otherwise. Importantly, the law as written would not require the patient to be asked or informed again once they have written the advance directive. One day the clinician changes the substance of what is in the patient's IV, and the patient dies. “It was her wishes,” says the doctor. “No, it wasn't”, say the grandchildren, but at the end of the day, she is dead, because someone killed her based on their interpretation of a piece of paper that she signed years ago. Welcome to Canada.

Maybe grandmother was a bit of a people pleaser. Maybe she talked about her illness in slightly different ways to different people, depending on what she thought they wanted to hear. This is very normal, of course. All of us are people pleasers to some extent, but Bill C-41 would require other people to interpret her feelings, her sufferings and her wishes, and to turn them into their own judgments about whether she should be killed, again with no obligation to talk to her about it once the initial paper had been signed.

Families would inevitably be deeply divided over who decided to kill Grandma and whether the conditions of the signed document were met. Confusion is inevitable. The ambiguities are legion, involved in assessing someone else's suffering based on a directive made long ago by a person who at the time had no experience of the illness. This means in practice that someone else would decide when and whether someone dies, and they will not ask before they kill them.

Underneath these practical problems is a deeper moral question about advance directives. Can I bind my future self in matters as weighty as life and death? Can I make a choice that would permit someone to kill my future self, especially when that self may not remember or be conscious of the previous decision?

When we allow advance requests today, it is purely in the case of a negative, a person signing an order to not have something done to them. Signing an advance request to not have something done to me is very different from a directive that licenses someone to do something to me when I am not aware of what is happening and under nebulous, difficult-to-define circumstances.

Not only do we not allow this type of definitive advance determination, generally speaking, but we have done painstaking work to correct a grave moral error of the past in this regard, the idea that consent, once given, is given forever.

The most obvious context in which this applies is sexual consent. Recognizing the need for contemporaneous consent in every sexual encounter was a real and important moral development. Previous but clearly flawed legal doctrines of the past regarded consent to marriage as furnishing a definitive future consent to sexual relations, and thus did not prosecute the offence of marital rape. It was a critically important and clearly positive moral development to recognize the importance of contemporaneous consent in every sexual encounter, that receiving consent in the moment is necessary, regardless of a past commitment.

Everyone in the House agrees, I am sure, that marital rape should be prosecuted. It is hard for me to understand, then, why some members would regard advance consent in matters of death as permissible, while rejecting it in matters of sexuality. Introducing the idea of violating a person's autonomy on the basis of a piece of paper signed in the past would seem to be a step in undoing the moral progress that has been made in this regard.

A person also cannot consent to slavery. Some, though certainly not all, systems of slavery are based on the idea that a person can sell themselves, an act through which the present self binds the future self. Today we would understand such systems as grossly immoral and as representing a denial of human dignity and of autonomy, yet death is more final than slavery. If the past self cannot bind the future self in the case of slavery, then why would it be so in the case of death? What began in the name of autonomy has lost the plot by now denying the autonomy of the present self to adapt to new circumstances and to make new choices.

The practical and philosophical problems inherent in the operationalization of advance directives for MAID likely informed the decision of members of the Conservative Party of Canada to explicitly adopt a position opposing advance directives for MAID. I am proud to be part of a party that officially opposes this expansion in its member-driven policy document.

These problems have led virtually every other country in the world to also reject going down this road. Most notably, I think the problems with such advance requests also informed the decision of the Justin Trudeau Liberal government to reject calls to implement a system of advance requests for MAID. In each past stage, there were those who argued for advance directives, yet the Trudeau Liberal government evidently decided, based on the moral and/or practical risks associated with them, that it was not going to go down this road.

However, now we have the new Prime Minister, who is hell-bent on pushing Canada's MAID regime further than Justin Trudeau by pursuing an expansion that even Justin Trudeau rejected. As a fellow Catholic, while not expecting that a shared religious identity would lead us to agree on every issue, I did expect better from the Prime Minister. I expected that he would at least have some sensitivity to the idea of universal human dignity, the need to prevent the devaluing of the lives of people with disabilities and the need to avoid further MAID expansion. It is difficult for me to reconcile his stated convictions with his decision to advance legislation that would allow a patient to be killed in their bed without even being asked for contemporaneous consent.

Canada already has the most radical MAID regime in the world, and the Prime Minister, the Catholic Prime Minister, is now wilfully presiding over the further expansion of a MAID system that is already the most radical in the world. It is frankly hard to tell what the Prime Minister believes at all, even if his frequent reversals of conviction have brought him some measure of political success thus far.

All of these events call to mind the alleged remark of Pope Urban VIII following the death of Cardinal Richelieu. He quipped, “If there is a God, the Cardinal de Richelieu will have much to answer for. If not...well, he had a successful life.” This is worth contrasting with the observation of St. Teresa of Calcutta, who said that we are not called to be successful, but faithful. The point is one of general application, regardless of fundamental beliefs or philosophical commitments; that is, to be a statesman is to stand for something.

Our calling as members of Parliament is to faithfully defend the national interest of Canada and the common good, to defend it from the shame that it already faces as a global pariah and embarrassment when it comes to the fundamental rights of people with disabilities. On that basis, I will fiercely oppose this expansion, as it would turn my country into a place where patients are killed without even being asked, based on a document that they signed years ago.

As a brief final coda, I note that Bill C-41 contains provisions around limiting the application of MAID in the cases of mental health. These provisions on mental health are supported by over 90% of MPs and could easily be proposed separately and adopted rapidly. That debate has thankfully already been won, but it is the height of cynicism for the government to tie those provisions to its radical new expansion of MAID.

We must defeat this bad, cynical bill. Of course, I agree with the mental health provisions in the bill, but those could easily be passed in a separate bill in 48 hours. No one should fall for this devious legislative trick. That is why we must oppose the expansion in Bill C-41.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:30 a.m.

Liberal

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Mr. Speaker, I really want to make sure I understand my colleague correctly. MAID gives people who are living with an incurable illness and facing significant suffering a choice in their end-of-life care. I emphasize the word “choice” because no one is under any obligation to request MAID. Those who choose to do so make a free and informed decision. They can withdraw their consent at any time, and there is a process, an assessment carried out by two independent medical practitioners.

I would really like to understand whether my colleague is opposed to allowing people who are living with an incurable illness and significant suffering to make this free and informed choice for themselves.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:30 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, my speech in the debate tonight was about advance requests for MAID, which are not about autonomy. Advance requests deny autonomy because they prevent a person whose condition has deteriorated from having a choice. They would involve the past self making predictions about the future self and binding the future self under conditions in this legislation where, incredibly, it would not be required that they be told what is happening to them when their life is being ended.

That would be a denial of autonomy, a denial of the ability of a present individual to consent. The requirement of contemporaneous consent, as I discussed, is fundamental in law and in practice. This would be a denial of autonomy, of contemporaneous consent. On that basis, as well as others, the bill must be opposed.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:35 a.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Mr. Speaker, if I understand correctly, the Conservatives' position on advance requests is that people who become incapacitated and will suffer due to cognitive decline should die after suffering to the very end. That is the Conservatives' solution. I would invite my colleague to meet with Sandra from Montigny and tell her that.

They care about suicide prevention. The Supreme Court said that this infringes on the right to life because people will be forced to shorten their lives. What people do is set a threshold for what they consider tolerable. They want to live for as long as possible, but when they reach that threshold, they are asking us to compassionately prevent them from continuing to suffer through their decline.

The Conservatives' solution is to tell them to keep suffering until the very end. I do not know if my colleague has ever seen someone dying of Alzheimer's disease suffer to the very end. If he wants to see that, I can invite him over.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:35 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, respectfully, what would be set up in this legislation is ridiculous and unreal. It says, on the one hand, that we must allow a person to live as long as they want, up to the point of intolerable suffering. At the same time, it is saying that somebody else, external to them, would decide, based on an advance directive written years before the suffering has even been experienced, comparing that document to what they perceive the person's experiences are.

The idea that somebody else is going to decide what is intolerable suffering for a person who does not have capacity to consent, and is not even being asked to consent, is ludicrous. It is nonsensical. The only basis on which the framework could plausibly work is with contemporaneous consent, where the person attests to their own suffering. How can a third party attest to the level of suffering a person is experiencing? Again, it is dangerous and nonsensical to have somebody else make decisions for them.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:35 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

Mr. Speaker, one of the reasons I am concerned about Bill C-41 is that the Liberals claim it to be the MAID safeguards act. They have had multiple opportunities to adhere to the safeguards they have allegedly put in place in previous MAID legislation, but it is very clear that they have blown by those safeguards. MAID has expanded since the very first bill in 2017. I wonder if my colleague shares those concerns. To say there are safeguards in place is just factually not the case.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:35 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, clearly there has been a failure with respect to the implementation of the safeguards. A core reason for that is the requirement that it be two doctors who assess, but it could be any two doctors. Thirty doctors could be consulted, and we could find two who have an opinion that is different from that of the other 28, and then it is able to proceed. I do not know how we can implement an advance directive framework within which people can shop for different doctors and then say that a certain two doctors think the conditions of the advance directive have been met, when another two do not think it has been met.

For example, the son has the two doctors he has consulted, but the daughter has the two doctors she has consulted. It is a mess. It is a recipe for conflict. It does not involve safeguards when we can shop around and find two doctors to agree with us, potentially anywhere in the country.

Bill C-41 Medical Assistance in Dying Safeguards ActGovernment Orders

November 5th, 12:35 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am somewhat displeased to have to rise to speak to Bill C-41, as I have risen in the House on a number of occasions since 2017, when the Liberals brought forward the initial MAID bill. I want to go back to that initial MAID bill to show why I am raising some concerns with where we are today.

I held a number of town halls throughout my riding of Foothills when the initial MAID legislation was brought forward. In fact, I brought some of my colleagues who were participants in the MAID committee established by the government to study the initial MAID legislation, because I wanted some experts at the town halls in my riding to discuss the possible implications of this legislation and what it actually meant.

I will say that of all the town halls I have held in my riding over my 11-plus years as a member of Parliament, there was never the kind of attendance and engagement from my constituents as there was on the medical assistance and dying proposal. Hundreds of people attended every town hall of the several I held throughout my riding, and I have to admit that it was very split. Constituents were on both sides of this issue. Many were unclear on what it would mean.

When the time came to stand up in the House and vote on that legislation, I voted against it. The main reason I voted against it is that there was no assurance or confidence from what I heard from the various speeches in the House. I even sat in on the MAID committee on a number of occasions just to learn more about what the implications of this legislation would be. In listening to those experts, to the testimony at the MAID committee and certainly to my constituents, I can say that two things really stood out for me.

As I said, there was no confidence that the safeguards being proposed in that legislation would be adhered to. As my colleague before me mentioned, someone would have had to have two doctors sign off before MAID was implemented and anyone requesting MAID would have had to have a mental health assessment. MAID was only supposed to be available for those with a terminal, incurable disease with a foreseeable end. We have certainly seen over the years that that has not been the case. MAID has grown and expanded well beyond that despite the safeguards that were allegedly in place.

The second thing that stood out for me, especially after participating in the MAID committee several years ago, was the real push, especially from members of the Senate at that time, to expand MAID well beyond those with just a terminal illness. There were discussions about having it for people with mental illness, people with disabilities and even minors at that time. I have to admit that I was stunned by how far some members of that committee wanted to push this legislation.

As a decision of conscience, I voted against MAID at the time. I feel that my vote has been justified with how far MAID has expanded in Canada. We are now seeing exponential growth. In fact, we are leading the world on the issue, which I do not think is something we should be proud of. We have seen what I was concerned about, what I was worried about: MAID being expanded to those with mental health issues and those with disabilities.

One story really stands out, which I want to raise in my speech tonight. I remember a call I received from a constituent who was an army veteran, a peacekeeper, with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry in Calgary and who lived in Okotoks. He called me to say that he was a counsellor for other veterans with PTSD. He certainly suffered from PTSD. Mark Meincke was his name. He said he needed to let me know that he was getting calls from veterans who, when they were making calls to Veterans Affairs Canada and talking to their caseworkers, were being offered MAID.

I found this claim to be quite astonishing. A veteran, someone who has put their life on the line for the service of our country, when they were reaching out to their caseworker at Veterans Affairs Canada, asking for access to mental health services, to counselling or even to check the status of their disability claim, was being offered MAID instead of being offered mental health services. In fact, we found these claims to be quite true. He brought us recordings of phone calls with Veterans Affairs and a number of cases of calls he had had with other veterans, and it was astonishing.

In fact, we asked Mr. Meincke to come to the veterans affairs committee to lay out his story, and the testimony that he gave at that committee was astonishing. I want to give a couple of quotes that Mr. Meincke raised at that time. As I said, he served in Croatia. He witnessed some of the most devastating horrors that one would ever want to see.

He said he was devastated by the phone call from Veterans Affairs, saying, “It's called ‘sanctuary trauma’, where the place you go for help steps on your neck. That's what happened here.” He said the comment from the case worker at Veterans Affairs was that, if they have any suicidal thoughts down the road, MAID was an option, that “it's better than blowing your brains out against the wall.” These were the pieces of advice that our veterans were getting from Veterans Affairs.

Our fear right from the beginning was that MAID would be expanded far beyond what it is or what it was intended to be. This is our concern.

The Liberals are talking out of both sides of their mouth on this piece of legislation. On one hand, they are saying that they are going to delay the decision to offer MAID to people with mental illness as the sole underlying factor, which we completely support. However, at the same time, they are offering advance directives, which requires much further study because the history of the Liberals getting this right is one of failure.

Conservatives are united on splitting this bill. We would fast-track the portion about mental health as quickly as possible to ensure those with mental health concerns are protected, but the underlying factor of advance directives deserves much further scrutiny and debate. Canadians deserve this. I do not want the Liberals to play politics on this. This is a matter of life and death, which has clearly been shown with our veterans, and that is not right. Let the Liberals do the right thing and split the bill so Canadians can have their say.

A motion to adjourn the House under Standing Order 38 deemed to have been moved.

Families, Children and Social DevelopmentAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 12:45 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, later today, the House will consider the federal budget. Ahead of that, I appreciate the opportunity to highlight the constructive proposals Conservatives have put forward with respect to reforms to make life easier for families, particularly to support families in the context of trying to balance work and family life. We have proposed various reforms, mostly to parental leave in order to offer families more flexibility, choice and control over their own lives. I want to highlight five different proposals we have made over the last few months.

The first is more flexible parental leave, allowing a person to pause and then resume their parental leave. Right now, in Quebec's system, because Quebec has opted out, people can do this, but in every other province, they cannot. Once their parental leave is stopped, they cannot resume it. We are proposing more flexibility within an 18-month period, and with negotiation with an employer, to allow a parent to pause and then resume their leave. We need to get the government out of the way so that people can structure their leave in a way that works best for them and their families.

The second is to allow learning on leave, in every case to say that a person is able to study, take courses, pursue higher education, etc., while they are on their leave.

The third is that we proposed a caregiving exemption for parental leave income, that when parents are on parental leave, they can also earn caregiving income to further supplement their income, and that is completely compatible with caring for a child. If parents on leave are watching their own children, they can also receive an income to watch a neighbour's child at the same time. This is very reasonable and compatible with what parental leave is all about. These were three initial proposals we announced.

Just last week, we proposed a further change to allow both parents to claim the CPP child-rearing dropout for the same period of time. Right now, parents are allowed to increase the average lifetime earnings for their CPP by removing years that they spent outside the workforce raising a child, but only one parent can do that. This does not take into consideration the fact that often there are two parents both making work sacrifices at the same time, so we are proposing that time spent with their children should not negatively impact their retirement income, and that is why we think both parents should be able to claim the child-rearing dropout at the same time.

We have also been championing the extension of leave when a parent dies, so that if a person who has paid into the system is on parental leave and passes away, that leave should continue to be available to their family. We should not cut off that family that has already paid into the system when they are in the midst of dealing with that tragedy.

These are five very constructive proposals, ones that we would like to see the government include in today's budget: more flexible parental leave, learning on leave, a caregiving exemption for parental leave income, allowing both parents to claim the CPP child-rearing dropout and the extension of leave when a parent dies.

On that last proposal, by the way, we just got costing from the Parliamentary Budget Officer. It would cost less than $1 million a year, in total, to protect the leave income when a parent passes away. It is an extremely low cost in the scheme of federal spending and very reasonable.

I am proud that my party is playing a constructive role in putting forward policies that would make life easier for families and support that flexibility and choice in integrating work and family life. We have repeatedly asked the government what it thinks of these proposals and whether it would like to work with us on implementing them, and this budget would be a good time for it to say yes to that. Later today, will the government have good news for us, will it implement all or some of these constructive proposals to make life easier for families balancing work and family life? Will it implement these good ideas?

Families, Children and Social DevelopmentAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 12:50 a.m.

Chicoutimi—Le Fjord Québec

Liberal

Daniel Gobeil LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Mr. Speaker, balancing work, family and finances is a tricky business. That is why we have implemented a solid plan to help families. The Government of Canada offers a wide range of supports to help Canadians.

Let us start with young families.

Since 2021, the Government of Canada has announced over $70 billion in funding for the provinces and territories to create and maintain an affordable, inclusive, high-quality early learning and child care system across the country. As a result, the families of approximately 9,000 children nationwide will have access to affordable child care, saving them thousands of dollars every year. All of the provinces and territories have made amazing progress in making child care more affordable. More parents are now able to access affordable child care, which means they no longer have to choose between their careers and their desire to grow their family.

What is more, in 2025, the labour force participation rate of mothers aged 24 to 54 with young children reached an almost record high of over 79.5%. The Canada-wide child care system has helped parents enter and remain in the workforce, while giving their children a good start in life.

The national school food program is another example of a measure that we have taken to support children and families and to reduce food insecurity. Budget 2024 allocated $1 billion in federal funding over five years to improve and expand school food programs across the country and provide meals to thousands of children nationwide to help them learn better.

Furthermore, the program has become permanent thanks to the National School Food Program Act, which had been announced in budget 2025. New investments have also been made in various research partners to ensure the success of school food programs. Improving and expanding access to the program will enable up to 400,000 students to participate, improving their health and helping them reach their full learning potential. Families with two children who participate in the national school food program can save up to $800 a year on their grocery bills.

These are real actions that Canadians expect.

In his question, the member opposite also talked about parental leave. Over the years, we have implemented meaningful and essential measures to modernize maternity benefits and provide more flexibility with respect to EI. In particular, benefits begin earlier, as early as the 12th week of pregnancy.

We have made great strides to make life more affordable and to improve the lives of Canadians. Canadians know that our government is committed to investing in Canadians and our economy as a whole. We will continue to do so every day and, of course, the next budget will once again be a fine example of how we are working for Canadians.

Families, Children and Social DevelopmentAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 12:50 a.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, that is deeply disappointing. I am here this evening, despite the late hour, and yet the government is unwilling to respond directly to the question.

We have put forward five concrete proposals to improve support for families, particularly by offering them more flexibility. The member mentioned one of my proposals, but then went on to discuss other matters. We can talk about other programs and other issues, but tonight we are debating the five concrete proposals that our party has put on the table. Ignoring the concrete proposals we have put forward and instead focusing on unrelated matters is no way to approach this.

Families, Children and Social DevelopmentAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 12:55 a.m.

Liberal

Daniel Gobeil Liberal Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Mr. Speaker, Canadians want a government that works proactively to help them. We do that every day. As I said, we implemented measures to enhance EI benefits, introduced paid sick leave and improved pay equity for women and families.

The early learning and child care agreements and the school food programs are saving Canadian families thousands of dollars. The government is working for Canadians by implementing a range of measures. The budget that will be presented later today will be a great opportunity to show Canadians the many measures we are going to take to improve affordability and help Canadian families. I am sure that the budget will include all the measures.

Agriculture and Agri-FoodAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 2026 / 12:55 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

Mr. Speaker, two weeks ago, a critical part of Canada's agriculture history and research was lost. Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada sold a historical beef herd at the Nappan experimental farm near Amherst, Nova Scotia. This was the first step in what is the dismantling of the very heart of Canadian public research, innovation and science at Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada.

AFC is closing down seven research centres and experimental farms right across this country, and it started with the Nappan experimental farm in Nova Scotia. This is 140 years of critical breeding that is helping producers right across Atlantic Canada. This herd was not just about livestock. This program was instrumental in improving the beef herds across Atlantic Canada. It was about genetics. It was about developing new forage methods and forage management. It was about helping the development of the beef herd across Atlantic Canada.

This is a heartbreaking sale. The closure of this farm means that generations of beef breeding and forage research in Atlantic Canada are lost. These closures were not by accident. This has been a priority decision by the government. In fact, 70% of the cuts at Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada came in science and research. More than half of the staffing cuts also came in science, research and innovation. As a result of these cuts, we are losing research centres and experimental farms in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec and, of course, the one in Nova Scotia.

These research facilities provided essential crop, soil, forage, health, livestock and productivity research. These research centres were the home of the development of canola, zero-till, beef grading, beef genetics, seed innovation and seed varieties. Ninety per cent of the wheat varieties that Canadian farmers grew and harvested this fall came directly from these research centres.

Without these research centres, it is the dismantling of the very foundation of Canadian agriculture. Shutting down these research centres will impact our productivity, our ability to be competitive and our ability to maintain our best and brightest. Already we have lost some of our best research scientists who have gone to the United States, and one of our top weed and crop protection scientists has gone to Germany. This has been a brain drain not only for Canadian agriculture, but for those who produce our food and grow the food we need as Canadians.

We have given the minister many opportunities to find an off-ramp on this. I do not think the minister wants his legacy to be the destroying of agricultural research in Canada. Every member of the agriculture committee voted in support of keeping these research centres open.

Will the minister listen to his own colleagues? Will he listen to the people who grow and produce our food? Will he listen to the science and researchers who develop that innovation? Will he reverse this decision to close these research centres? Will he make the decision, the right decision, and keep these research centres open?

Agriculture and Agri-FoodAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 1 a.m.

Chicoutimi—Le Fjord Québec

Liberal

Daniel Gobeil LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Mr. Speaker, of course, in order to deliver on our commitment to Canadians to reduce government operating expenses, we need to reduce overhead and make our operations more efficient.

AAFC regularly reviews its programs to ensure that they remain relevant and effective. That is what our department did by taking the exercise a bit further as part of the comprehensive expenditure review. The subsequent decision to close certain research centres reflects a deliberate shift to prioritize investments in research activities and expertise over investments and spending on aging facilities.

I would like to clarify something my colleague said in his original question. We are not closing experimental farms in every province. In fact, every province will still have at least one Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada research centre, allowing AAFC to maintain a strong presence across the country while addressing both regional and national priorities. AAFC will, of course, continue to carry out scientific research that delivers significant benefits for crops, horticulture, livestock production, food processing, food safety, biodiversity and sustainable development, as my colleague rightly pointed out. The closure of a particular site does not mean that the scientific work that was conducted there will come to an end. Our government has identified measures to maximize the efficiency of our operations, including the relocation of certain key scientific positions and activities to other sites to ensure research continuity.

We are also taking concrete action to strengthen food security and affordability in Canada. Earlier this year, our Prime Minister unveiled the first national food security strategy, backed by an investment of $3.2 billion over the next 10 years. This is a first. It will will help increase the production of food grown here, which will then transported and sold through more efficient and cost-effective supply chains.

In October, we also announced the $1‑billion food-link fund, once again to strengthen food distribution infrastructure and improve connections between producers and markets, with a view to improving affordability. This means more competition in the retail food sector and more choice for consumers and producers. Once again, we are investing $1 billion in the agri-food project finance fund through Farm Credit Canada's agri-food projects to help the processing sectors innovate, grow and strengthen Canada's food system.

Just last week, the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food announced a strategy to boost agriculture in controlled environments. This involves more than $750 million, again, in investments over the next seven years to double the year-round production of fruit and vegetables in greenhouses, vertical farms and other spaces across Canada. I would like to point out that AAFC will always continue with scientific activities that strengthen the sector's resilience, sustainability and competitiveness. These values lie at the heart of our government's mandate.

Agriculture and Agri-FoodAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 1 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am disappointed with the response from the parliamentary secretary, but he was right. This is a question about priorities, as he said, and the priorities clearly are not research and innovation when 72% of the budget cuts at AAFC are in research, science and innovation. That is a fact.

When he says it is not research centres that are being closed in these provinces, that is simply not true. They are absolutely being closed. As a farmer, he knows these research centres were put in these regions for a reason. Research cannot be moved from one area to another. The soil, the weather, the temperatures, all of those things are the reasons these facilities have been put in those areas.

This is clearly a priority decision by the government, a government that spent $19 billion on consultants last year. That money could have kept these research centres open for decades.

Agriculture and Agri-FoodAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 1:05 a.m.

Liberal

Daniel Gobeil Liberal Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to add that the vitality of agricultural research in Canada does not depend solely on AAFC. It is supported by broad and diverse ecosystems that include provincial and territorial governments, as well as universities, colleges, indigenous groups, and research organizations led by producers and private sector innovators.

As Canada's largest agricultural science organization, AAFC will continue to play a central role in this ecosystem to ensure that publicly funded scientific research is aligned, complementary, and tailored to current and future needs.

I happened to attend a recent announcement at Céréla. The government was making an announcement about a partnership with the private sector to continue research on grains, oats, malting barley, and wheat. There will be research projects, as well as public-private partnerships.

Agriculture and Agri-FoodAdjournment Proceedings

November 5th, 1:05 a.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

The hon. member for Regina—Lewvan not being present to raise during Adjournment Proceedings the matter for which notice has been given, the notice is deemed withdrawn.

The motion to adjourn the House is now deemed to have been adopted. Accordingly, the House stands adjourned until later this same day at 10 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).

(The House adjourned at 1:06 a.m.)