House of Commons Hansard #88 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was benefits.

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Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health Program Members debate a Conservative motion to review the Interim Federal Health Program (IFHP), citing its quadrupled cost and projected rise to $1.5 billion by 2030. Conservatives argue the IFHP provides deluxe benefits to failed asylum claimants, while Canadians face healthcare crises. They propose restricting benefits to emergency care and expelling foreign criminals. Liberals condemn the motion as divisive and fearmongering, highlighting government reforms like copayments and Bill C-12. Bloc and NDP members oppose the motion, stressing federal processing backlogs and humanitarian obligations, while criticizing Liberal copayments. 47500 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize Liberal waste on projects like Cúram, affecting seniors' cheques. They condemn the two-tiered health care system for asylum claimants and the lack of immigration safeguards. Concerns also include housing affordability for youth, weak bail laws, and continued support for Ukraine, advocating for equipment donation.
The Liberals emphasize unwavering support for Ukraine on the invasion's fourth anniversary, announcing further aid and sanctions. They defend their immigration policies, citing reduced asylum claims and temporary workers, and advocate for bail reform. The government also highlights efforts to modernize benefits administration, increase housing affordability, and invest in health care and Indigenous services.
The Bloc condemns the Cúram fiasco as the "worst financial scandal," which has led to mistreatment of retirees and errors in their old age pensions, demanding a public inquiry. They also raise concerns about parliamentary decorum and express solidarity with Ukraine, hoping for peace.
The NDP raise concerns about the erosion of universal health care and lack of national pharmacare, also criticizing disability tax credit red tape. They express strong support for Ukraine on the invasion's anniversary, condemning war crimes.
The Green Party expresses unwavering solidarity with Ukraine, condemning Putin's cruel war. They advocate for stronger sanctions to cripple the Russian economy, seize oligarchs' assets, and tirelessly work to make peace possible.

Similarities Between Bill C-2 and Bill C-12—Speaker's Ruling The Speaker rules on a point of order concerning the similarity of government Bills C-2 and C-12. The Speaker allows Bill C-2 to proceed due to its broader scope, despite acknowledging extensive overlap. 1000 words, 10 minutes.

Sergei Magnitsky International Anti-Corruption and Human Rights Act Second reading of Bill C-219. The bill strengthens Canada's sanctions regime against human rights abuses, foreign corruption, and transnational repression. It seeks to define transnational repression, ban sanctioned officials' family members, and revoke broadcasting licenses for state-controlled media from regimes committing atrocities. While supported, Members express concerns regarding the safety of political prisoners' families and administrative burdens, aiming for amendments in committee. 7400 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Paris Agreement commitments Elizabeth May questions the government's commitment to the Paris Agreement and the delay in releasing the nature strategy. She highlights a contradiction regarding investment tax credits for enhanced oil recovery. Wade Grant defends the government's climate action, citing carbon pricing, adaptation investments, and support for Indigenous-led solutions, but May notes Canada isn't on track to meet targets.
Youth unemployment and training Garnett Genuis raises concerns about youth unemployment and criticizes the budget's plan to cut grants for students at private career colleges. Peter Fragiskatos acknowledges the issue, blames economic uncertainty, and invites Genuis to discuss his concerns further. Genuis urges a policy change. Fragiskatos questions Genuis's support for the budget.
Food price inflation Andrew Lawton raises concerns about high food inflation and record food bank use, advocating for the removal of the carbon tax and fuel standard. Peter Fragiskatos asks if Lawton has read the Bank of Canada report on food prices, and blames global warming and drought for high food prices.
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Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

February 24th, 2026 / 4:30 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, just like my hon. colleague across the way, I am appalled at the Conservative motion today, but I think the Liberals need to look at their own backyard.

Bill C-12 conflicts with the 1951 refugee convention, because the convention does not allow imposed timelines. It violates the right to due process and fair hearings, because it denies the right of asylum seekers to full oral hearings before the Immigration and Refugee Board. It is also arbitrary, because it provides wide discretionary powers to cabinet to cancel visas or suspend applications in the so-called public interest. One only has to look to Trump to know how dangerous it is to make immigration cases partisan.

Finally, the Canadian Bar Association has highlighted that removing judicial oversight in favour of ministerial discretion weakens the true rule of law. My hon. colleague spoke about the rule of law. I am wondering why his government is choosing to violate it.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, what this government is seeking to do is exactly what I said in my speech, which is to ensure that for vulnerable individuals, Canada continues its compassionate pathway for individuals who want to make their case, but at the same time has measures to ensure that there is an orderly process, that Canadians believe in that process and that there is no abuse in said process. Those provisions are meant to try to address a compassionate country that wants to have entitlements for individuals to make their case but at the same time ensure that individuals who could be trying to abuse the system do not have the ability to do so.

I am confident that the House has scrutinized these rules and that it is within the parameters and both compassionate and orderly. This follows what other countries are doing around the world, including G7 countries, in terms of making some adjustments in our policy. Ultimately, this is before the Senate. The upper house is scrutinizing this now, and we will act accordingly when we determine what they choose to come back with.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry Diotte Conservative Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am wondering if it bothers the Liberal members across the aisle that people whose refugee claims have failed get better health benefits than many Canadian senior citizens, including vision care and physiotherapy.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, why does the member stand up in the House of Commons and talk about rejected asylum claimants?

I just explained very clearly to the opposition benches what happens once an individual goes through the two processes for making the administrative claim, the IRB process and the ability for an appeal. Once those are exhausted, they are then a rejected asylum claimant and have no access to what the member just talked about.

Why is the member standing up, so uninformed about the process, to jam this out on social media and to gin up his constituents, with no ability to know what the heck he is even talking about?

That is a prime example of the Conservative members not even knowing what they are talking about. If a person goes through the process that they are entitled to and is not successful, they do not get the benefit, Mr. Speaker. Grow up.

Honestly, Kerry. Jesus.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

Order. I hope the member was not telling the Speaker to grow up. I think I am done growing.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, I have a point of order. There was unparliamentary language that came from the parliamentary secretary again.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

What did he say, grow up?

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

No, the word that came after that. It started with a J.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

I did not hear the word that was said, but I see the parliamentary secretary rising.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

I heard from the member for Provencher. I see the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister is rising, and I will let him speak.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, certainly you can sense my frustration. If there was any unparliamentary word that members heard, I certainly withdraw it and do not mean to offend this House. It is part of the frustration at what I am hearing from the opposition, and I am asking them to be better.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

All I needed was a withdrawal. I consider the matter closed.

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands, Climate Change; the hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, Employment; the hon. member for Elgin—St. Thomas—London South, The Economy.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to rise today to speak to our motion. I am going to talk a bit about the interim federal health program and then a few other things.

The first point I want to make clearly is that the program creates a two-tiered health system in our country. It has a Cadillac benefits system for failed asylum claimants and a basic system for regular Canadians. That is the design of this system. The costs are already nearing $1 billion a year, and they will be climbing to $1.5 billion within four years. Of course, the Liberals claim the system works. They have all kinds of answers, supposedly, to all the complaints, but I will demonstrate that it does not work.

First of all, on two-tiered health care, in 2025, 300,000 asylum claimants received benefits. Let us get clear on the benefits. There are two kinds.

There are the basic benefits, the things we would all agree people should have. That is coverage for things like emergency room visits, doctor visits, hospital treatments and required surgeries, any kind of emergencies that come up. That is basic health care, the basic health care that all Canadians have. Nobody would argue that people in our country should not have access to that kind of coverage, and Conservatives certainly agree. Provinces do not pay for that, because it is not for permanent residents or citizens, so they can rightly come back to the federal government and ask it to cover the costs, which it does.

The second part is called supplemental benefits. These are benefits that many Canadians do not have. These are for things like, for example, vision care: glasses, contact lenses and getting a new pair of glasses every two years. They are part of supplemental benefits. Dental and drug coverage, ambulance visits, in-home nursing, medical supplies, hearing aids and these kinds of things are also supplemental benefits. They are things that many Canadians do not have and have to pay out of pocket for. Unfortunately, failed asylum claimants get that coverage for free through the program, and it accounts for nearly half of the cost of the program, a significant cost.

I would also bring to the attention of the House the fact that there has been testimony at committee that showed that the program is badly managed. As I said, physicians charge the federal government for this coverage, and they are charging in some cases up to five times what they would normally charge their provincial government for services, because the federal government does not manage the program very well and is willing to pay that extra cost. That shows the poor management happening with the program right now.

Now let me talk about the cost. Four years ago the program cost about $200 million, and right now it is costing about $900 million. It has gone up more than four times in four years. The Parliamentary Budget Officer did a projection for four years from now, and the cost is going to be up to $1.5 billion. That is going to be eight times the cost within an eight-year period. I would say this is an out-of-control program that definitely needs some help and some work to get it back under control.

The Liberals proposed a solution, which they are calling copay. Let me talk about that. The copay they are proposing is four dollars for a prescription. Someone, let us say, getting a $1,500 Ozempic prescription is going to pay four dollars, and the government is going to pay $1,496. For the other supplementary services, the Cadillac services I spoke of before, the copay is going to be 30%. It will reduce the cost a little, but it is still going to be far more than $1 billion a year four years from now. We are kind of splitting hairs on cost. It is still going to be a more than $1-billion program four years from now.

Another way to think about this is that if we take the entire budget for health care, which I think is somewhere in the order of about $55 billion for our country, the money that is given to the provinces for health care, that works out to about $1,275 per Canadian. If we take this line item and put it against how many asylum seekers there are, it works out to about $3,300 per Canadian. On a per capita basis, the government is spending almost three times as much money on this program as it does on benefits for all Canadians. What if the Liberals got the system under control and were able to manage it properly? That is what needs to be done and what I argue is not happening.

Why are there so many refugee claims? Let me talk about legitimate refugees versus bogus refugee claims. We know that legitimate refugees are fleeing war, persecution and violence. There is a government sponsorship process for that. The UNHCR is involved in that process. There is also a private sponsorship method where groups of people can get together and sponsor refugees to come to Canada. Conservatives have no issues with that. These are what people think of when they think about asylum claimants and refugees, and we are a generous country so we want those kinds of benefits extended to people to the extent that we as a country can afford to do that.

When we talk about asylum claimants, it is different. There is no real process for this. This is when people enter Canada either with a permit of some sort or illegally, and then they immediately claim asylum. They say that they are under some sort of persecution and that they fear going back to their country, or something like that, and of course some of those claims are legitimate as well. There are definitely people who arrive in Canada who truly fear going back to their country, and I would have no problem with letting a person like that go through the system and be found to be a legitimate refugee whom, should Canada have the capacity to bring them in, we could bring in.

However, there are also many who take advantage of the system, and we have seen it so many times, where a person comes to our country and is here for a while. Maybe they are a student, or maybe they are working or doing whatever they might be doing, and then something bad happens to them. It could be as simple as not being able to get their paperwork extended and being requested to leave the country, or it could be something worse, such as being convicted of a crime, and then they are actually going to be deported. What do they do? They claim refugee status, claim asylum, and this is where there is a lot of abuse in the program and there a lot of people who take advantage of the generosity of the very bureaucratic system.

The system takes almost four years to go through, with all the different ways that someone can appeal. We have talked about it, as have many other speakers, but someone can have a claim rejected by the IRB, and then there are several avenues of appeal they can take. This is the time period for the people who have been rejected, and they are trying to game the system. They are the ones who are getting the benefits.

The other interesting thing in the whole process is how many of the claims are actually accepted. In Canada right now, we are accepting roughly 80% of refugee claims, which seems like a high number, off the top. I did some looking into peer countries. The parliamentary secretary just talked about G7 countries, and I looked at some of these countries. Germany has an acceptance rate of 59%, versus ours of 80%. Sweden has an acceptance rate of 40%, and Ireland has an acceptance rate of 30%. Therefore, it seems odd to me that we are accepting 80% of refugee claims made in Canada, because that just does not seem to match up with what some of our peer countries are doing.

We definitely have a pull factor for people wanting to come here, because the system is quite easy to game, but another thing that came to our attention this week related to this is something the Immigration and Refugee Board does, called a file review. With a file review, there are certain countries of origin that have been determined to be not worthy of having somebody look at the file, so if someone happens to be an asylum seeker from such a country, they basically get approved automatically by the system, and nobody actually even looks at the file. Nobody talks to that person. The countries on that list are kind of scary to me. They are the ones for which we might want to actually talk to those people just to make sure we are not allowing bad actors to come into our country.

The list of countries includes, for example, Afghanistan, North Korea, Yemen, Pakistan and Iran. That is not in any way to say that everybody coming from those countries is bad. I am saying that when somebody comes to our country from, let us say, Iran, I want a government official to actually interview that person. Is the person a member of the IRGC? Does the person have military history? Is the person escaping their country with the rewards of something that they did unlawfully in their country and coming to Canada to stay here? I want somebody to actually ask those questions and check that out, and that is not happening. That is partly why our acceptance rates are so high in this country.

Is the program worth $1.5 billion? I would suggest it is not. If someone is a phony asylum claimant, if they are a foreign criminal or if they are a Liberal politician, then I guess it is worth that. However, if someone is a regular Canadian, I would say it is not. Let us remember that we do not want a two-tiered health care system in Canada.

The Conservatives have a plan that is about fairness and about focus to protect emergency care but end the extras for rejected claims, reduce the strain on the system and ensure that Canadians get the health care they have earned and paid for.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:45 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I find it interesting that the Conservatives continue to use the $1.5-billion figure. The Parliamentary Budget Officer did a good job of presenting a package for parliamentarians. What the member does not highlight is the fact that it does not take into consideration Bill C-12. The Conservatives know that. The leader of the Conservative Party is very much aware of that, and this means that the $1.5-billion figure is just not true.

However, the Conservatives have done two things: They have taken the health care issue, and they have taken this issue to try to pump out a message that is very anti-immigrant, I would suggest.

I am wondering if the member would not agree that it was in poor taste for the Conservative Party of Canada to be sending out information that it knows is not true.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Mr. Speaker, it is definitely in poor taste to put forward incorrect information, which is what we have been hearing all day from the other side.

The PBO did his analysis of $1.5 billion. The Liberals are going to do a copay system, so maybe the number is going to be a little smaller. It is still a billion-dollar program. What we have seen from the government is not a reduction in the number of refugee seekers in this country but a dramatic increase in numbers. There are 300,000 in the backlog today. The IRB can process only about 70,000 or so a year. That is how we end up with a four-year wait to process through the backlog.

The government has not been able to demonstrate any kind of efficiency with respect to this, nor any possibility of getting control of the system. I highly doubt it is going to do that in the future.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly DeRidder Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have to say that today has been a pretty difficult day in the House, all day long as we have been debating. We have had our character attacked. We have been compared to the U.S. administration. We have been told that we on this side of the House do not care about Ukrainian asylum seekers. We have had standing ovations from members on the other side when they attack our intelligence. I think these are all really false narratives to hide the real question that we are asking today, which is why rejected asylum seekers are getting better health care than Canadian citizens, such as vision, physiotherapy, and the list goes on.

Can my colleague explain in a very simple way the answer to the question we are asking today, which is why rejected asylum seekers are getting better health care than Canadian citizens are?

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Mr. Speaker, I want to pick up on something the member said in that question, which are the accusations from the other side that we do not care about immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers. We absolutely do.

What we are trying to do here is find a way to make the system work better so legitimate refugees and legitimate asylum seekers who come to our country are treated well, so regular Canadians are treated well, so we have the best possible use of the money that all Canadians contribute to the government, and so when we spend that money, we spend it wisely. That is not happening today. The government is not doing that well. I want to see that change and improve.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, the problem is that the Conservatives say they just want to make the system better, but they set up false dichotomies. They make it an “us versus them” issue, saying that our health care sucks because of refugees. That is what they do. This is what we have heard, not just in this debate but in so many debates with the Conservatives. If they were genuinely interested in fixing a problem and making a system better, they would not set up a false dichotomy like that, but they routinely do it.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Mr. Speaker, we have never said that; it is the Liberals who keep saying that. I want to highlight that it is bogus asylum claimants we are focused on. I will give the House a really good example.

In B.C. recently, there were 15 people who were going down the road of being convicted of a crime. Guess what they did. Every single one of them claimed asylum as a way to avoid the results of their actions in Canada. It puts them into the asylum system. It gives them a four-year pathway to protect themselves and avoid true justice in Canada. These are exactly the kinds of things we want to fix, and the government has been unable to do so.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Shuv Majumdar Conservative Calgary Heritage, AB

Mr. Speaker, who are we? Are we a nation that is defined by a collection of grievances? Are we a nation where one set of rules applies to one citizen and another to someone undermining that very sense of citizenship?

Nations are defined and defended by knowing who they are, their history, their traditions and the laws that shape their societies and their culture. When a government undertakes a political project to revise a national history and its identity with Marxist philosophies, grievance culture and borders open to those who are here to actively undermine the people through extortion or through terrorism, that is a state-sponsored attack on the very concept of Canada itself.

In this speech, I want to lay out three main points: first, fairness in health care; second, equality before the law; and third, the defence of our national identity and sovereignty.

Let us start with a system that is already at its breaking point: health care. Six million Canadians cannot find a family doctor. That is not a number on a page. That is a senior down the street. It is a single mom waiting for hours in an overcrowded emergency department. They are our family members, our friends and our neighbours. Thirty weeks is how long the average Canadian must wait to see a specialist. That is seven months of waiting, seven months of pain and seven months where life hangs in the balance, yet the Liberal government chooses to prioritize people who do not even belong here. Rejected asylum claimants are getting health care benefits that Canadians themselves cannot even access, deluxe benefits like vision care, physiotherapy and supplementary services, and that is where the real outrage begins.

The Liberals opened the border, and then they abandoned screening, rubber-stamped soaring asylum claims and let the backlog spiral completely out of control. Now Canada's health care, housing and job markets are at their breaking points. Their backlog of asylum claims has exploded by over 2,900% since they took office in 2015. The Liberal interim federal health program cost $211 million four years ago. Today, it costs $896 million. By 2030, it is projected to cost $1.5 billion annually for people who have already been rejected as asylum claimants, people who have never paid taxes and people who have no legal right to be here.

At the health committee, Conservatives discovered that providers are charging up to five times the provincial rate for services for these individuals. Meanwhile, our own people wait months for a specialist. Seniors wait for procedures that could literally change their lives. Families wait in emergency rooms because they cannot find a primary care physician who could keep them out of those emergency rooms, which would be a great relief to our health system and our hospitals. What do the Liberals do? They write blank checks for people who are not even contributing members of our society. Generosity without fairness is not generosity; it is betrayal.

Before the new year, I had a neighbour write to me deeply concerned about the federal budget and public health care. She told me she was worried that the federal government had said very little about improving our health care system. She asked me, in no uncertain terms, how we would help to ensure that Canadians got the care they needed. Her concerns are not unique. Her story is one of millions. That is why we are presenting a motion that would restore fairness. Rejected asylum claimants would receive emergency life-saving care only. Canadians come first, full stop.

The soaring costs and abuse of the Liberal IFH program are no accident. They are the predictable result of a Liberal government that has broken our immigration system. Hospitals are full. Emergency rooms are overflowing. However, the Liberals do not raise alarm bells. They open the floodgates to more people, more arrivals, more strain and more chaos.

Tax season is coming, and this is a fair question for anyone who is working their butt off and cannot get ahead: Where is all this money going? They cannot buy a home. They cannot get health care in a reasonable time. They can hardly afford to put food on the table, and Liberals keep telling them everything is fine. No, it is not.

A government's job is not to micromanage our lives or pick our pockets to fund its failed experiments. A government's job is not to put foreign nationals, criminals and terrorists ahead of its own people. It is to put Canadians and Canada first. Conservatives will ensure health care is available to Canadians first. We will review federal benefits provided to asylum claimants to identify savings for taxpayers. We will stop overwhelming our communities with numbers the system simply cannot handle.

We are a generous nation and Calgary is a generous city, but generosity requires discipline. Compassion requires fairness. If we cannot care for our own people first, we are not governing. We are failing our citizens.

Then there is the law. Under the Liberal government, foreign nationals here on asylum can commit crimes and, in some cases, avoid meaningful consequences because the system prioritizes process over justice. If we have two people charged with the same crime, one is a Canadian and the other one is not, and the consequences are not equal, that is unacceptable.

Let us be clear about how this problem manifests in real life. When someone files an asylum application, it can trigger automatic stays of removal, meaning they get to stay here until their case is reviewed. Across Canada, there are reported cases of individuals charged with violent offences, trafficking and gang-related crimes who, by filing asylum or refugee claims, remain in the country longer, sometimes for months or even years.

In British Columbia, law enforcement uncovered organized extortion rings where multiple suspects used refugee claim filings to halt their removal. They tied up enforcement resources and frustrated victims for months. Their legal status keeps shifting and enforcement is stalled. When it comes to assault, theft, fraud and extortion, Canadians face immediate consequences, while foreign nationals can delay, postpone or even avoid sentencing for years using asylum claims.

This is a loophole that rewards lawbreakers and punishes Canadians. When someone is charged with a crime, they should face the full weight of the justice system with no loopholes and no preferential treatment because of where they filed paperwork. Our motion calls on the government to immediately expel foreign nationals who commit serious crimes, with no soft landings, no loopholes and no special carve-outs.

We are calling for stronger enforcement. When violent offenders, gang members or organized crime suspects are caught, they must be removed. Communities cannot flourish when criminals exploit loopholes in the law. Families cannot feel secure when the system is rigged against them. Canadians deserve a justice system that works for them first. If someone break the law in Canada, whether they are a Canadian or a foreign national, they should face the consequences. That is equality before the law. Our people expect nothing less.

Let us look at the numbers and the costs. We are spending $896 million in health benefits today and $1.5 billion by 2030 for people who are not taxpayers and have no legal standing to be here. Where is it going? The Liberals have failed to answer. The Conservatives will demand every dollar tracked, every service justified and no more blank cheques. Every taxpayer dollar spent must go to service Canadians first.

We are not talking ideology here. We are talking about the Canadian promise: an affordable home, an affordable life, health care when someone needs it and safe streets. We are moving this motion to restore fairness, restore order and restore trust. Rejected asylum claimants get emergency care only. Foreign criminals face full consequences. Fairness is not sacrificing our neighbours so that someone from outside the country can get better care than them.

What do the Liberals want me to do? Should I go back to my riding and tell a grandmother that she has to wait seven months for care while someone who is not even from here, who could be illegal, a criminal or a terrorist, gets better care before her? What am I supposed to tell an immigrant who comes to this country to build something new, who through the sweat on their brow and the pain in their back has contributed to building up this country? What am I supposed to tell that immigrant when those who follow are exploiting the broken Liberal system? Am I supposed to tell them that playing by the rules did not matter?

Let me conclude with this: Who are we? The danger of creating one set of rules for one and another set of rules for the next is that it attacks the very idea of our national sovereignty, the very idea of our national identity and the very idea of the nation we seek to build together.

If I could carve something onto the desk of every border official, every bureaucrat, every judge, every legislator and every academic, it would read that Canada is the third-oldest democracy on planet earth. We are heirs of the British Magna Carta and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man. We are an inheritance forged by first nations and newcomers, the scars they endured together through wars, depressions and hard times, and the promise they built together. We are a constitutional monarchy where the laws are written by the people and their democracy, not the ruler by diktat. We are a promise, and ours is a promise to keep.

For the millions in this country who do not respect that this is the core of our national identity, the core of our national sovereignty and the core of who we are and what we are here to defend, then comes the uneasy task of demanding that the government members remove those who they, themselves, brought in.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, I listened carefully to my hon. colleague.

Can the member describe in concrete terms the pressure that the Conservatives believe asylum seekers are putting on Canada's health care system, which all Canadians are very proud of?

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5 p.m.

Conservative

Shuv Majumdar Conservative Calgary Heritage, AB

Mr. Speaker, we all know that the system has been abused by fake asylum seekers, and I did discuss some of the specifics in my remarks. I will leave it at that for now.

Opposition Motion—Interim Federal Health ProgramBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

5 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Mr. Speaker, in the Conservative Party's motion, they propose to adopt policies that would see the immediate deportation of foreign nationals convicted of serious crimes in Canada. However, section 36 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act already provides for the deportation of individuals convicted of serious crimes punishable by a term of imprisonment of at least 10 years, as well as those sentenced to a term of imprisonment of more than six months.

What is wrong with that section and what would the Conservative member like to add?