House of Commons Hansard #78 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was prices.

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Opposition Motion—Food Affordability Members debate Canada's high food inflation, the highest in the G7. Conservatives attribute rising grocery costs to Liberal "hidden taxes" on farmers, fuel, and packaging, advocating their removal and increased competition. Liberals contend global factors like climate change and supply chain disruptions are primary drivers, highlighting immediate relief through the Canada groceries and essentials benefit and long-term food security strategies. Other parties emphasize grocery sector competition and the Bloc calls for OAS benefit increases. 48800 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives heavily criticize Canada's highest food inflation in the G7, attributing soaring grocery prices to Liberal taxes. They also lambaste the government for the decline of the auto industry and job losses, including in forestry. Concerns are further raised regarding temporary residents and military rent hikes.
The Liberals defend their affordability measures, like the $1,800 benefit and affordable childcare, while denying the carbon tax on groceries. They highlight investments in the auto sector despite U.S. tariffs, promote high-speed rail, and discuss reducing temporary residents and supporting Black entrepreneurs.
The Bloc condemn the government's expropriation policies and the trauma from Mirabel airport, calling Bills C-5 and C-15 heartless. They also highlight thousands of retirees deprived of Old Age Security benefits due to software errors, criticizing the Liberals for downplaying the problem.
The NDP criticize Liberal international aid cuts and the lack of housing charge subsidies, warning of global suffering and homelessness.
The Greens call for improved decorum in the House, noting repeated violations of Standing Orders and excessive heckling.

Use of Federal Lands for Veterans Liberal MP Alana Hirtle moves a motion for a committee to study using underused federal lands for veteran services and housing. Liberals call it a strategic approach for future veteran needs. Conservatives and NDP criticize it as a delay, urging immediate action and highlighting government failures. The Bloc questions the House instructing a committee. 8500 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Affordable housing investments Jenny Kwan accuses the government of failing to build enough affordable homes and of planning cuts to CMHC. She asks Caroline Desrochers to commit to funding housing charge subsidies. Desrochers says the government is committed to solving the housing crisis, citing Build Canada Homes and the Canada Rental Protection Fund.
Crofton Mill Closure Gord Johns raises the Crofton mill closure and argues workers aren't receiving promised federal supports. He calls for increased EI benefits and an end to clawbacks. Claude Guay cites tariffs as the cause, highlighting government programs to help companies and workers, and mentioning a working group for suggestions.
Alberta oil recovery subsidies Elizabeth May questions the government's commitment to eliminate fossil fuel subsidies, citing a contradiction between the budget and an agreement with Alberta regarding enhanced oil recovery. Caroline Desrochers defends the agreement, arguing it will reduce emissions and strengthen Canada's economy. May disputes Desrochers' claims.
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Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Mr. Speaker, the member opposite sounds angry. The truth is that he would be angrier if he realized that the simple measure we Conservatives agreed to yesterday is one that should provide some relief for some Canadians, but that relief is about $10 on a $300 grocery order.

The truth is that long-term solutions are what we need. Short-term, band-aid help is welcome, but it is not going to solve the problem of higher food prices. It is not making a difference to Canadians in the long run at the grocery store. That is what we are asking for today. We will support short-term measures, but let us get down to it and make some long-term solutions.

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10:35 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is far from clear that the taxes aimed at preventing pollution from everything oil-related are actually linked to food prices. However, pollution increases climate change and all its impacts, such as floods and forest fires. That creates considerable costs for farmers, and the bill is then passed on to consumers.

Has my colleague taken that into account?

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Mr. Speaker, I saw a sign a couple of years ago in Ottawa before I was elected, and it struck home with me. It said that as long as the world needs oil and gas, it might as well be Canadian. The truth is that the world is still using oil and gas. Canada has it and can provide it.

How much better would it be for us to provide it, and also eliminate the industrial carbon tax, than for countries like Russia to provide it to Europe? We could potentially even help countries like Ukraine a whole lot more if we were providing oil and gas. We could help Europe get off Russian oil and gas so it can end the war in Ukraine as well.

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10:35 a.m.

NDP

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

Mr. Speaker, we all want small, medium and large businesses to win. We all want that, but when the only winners, when it comes to groceries and food prices, are the big corporations, and the only losers are everyday people across this country, something has to be done. The member highlighted and claimed that Canada has the highest grocery prices in the G7. Guess what else we have? We have the lowest corporate taxes in the G7. Big grocery stores are posting record profits.

Does my colleague not agree that there needs to be a threshold when it comes to profiteering by big grocery stores? This is a time when we need to work collectively on solutions.

She is right that the government says it brought the big grocery stores together to work on dealing with the inflationary costs happening on food, but nothing has happened. The Liberals got nothing done.

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Mr. Speaker, there is so much to unpack there. I agree and disagree with different portions of what the member asked me.

I lived in China for a couple of years, and I will always say no to policies that sound quite Communist. I will say yes to increasing competition among our grocery stores. If we increase competition and get rid of our industrial carbon tax, we are going to make groceries more affordable for everyday Canadians.

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:40 a.m.

Marc-Aurèle-Fortin Québec

Liberal

Carlos Leitão LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Mr. Speaker, it is my turn to say a few words on this issue. I will try to stick to four topics, and I count on your assistance to keep me on track.

It will not surprise anyone if I say that I do not agree with the motion of the opposition, because it is way off base.

Let us talk about one of the four points I want to talk about. Let us talk about inflation, because that is a theme that keeps coming back among the Conservatives. It is “inflation this” and “inflation that”. “Inflation is out of control, and it is all the fault of the government. The inflationary policies of the Liberals caused inflation to get out of the bag.”

Inflation got out of the bag after COVID. It hit all developed countries at about the same time and at about the same pace. Canada was actually the country where inflation got back to a more normal level ahead of all the other G7 countries. In fact, much to the distress of our Conservative friends, the Bank of Canada did a very good job. We know the Conservatives wanted to fire the Governor of the Bank of Canada. Actually, the central bank in Canada brought inflation back down to the 2% range, way ahead of everybody else, and inflation in Canada has been at around 2% now for well over one year. While the Conservatives like to make comparisons to inflation in the United States, and to how good things are in the U.S., it is not yet back within that range there.

Another aspect that disturbs me a little when we hear about inflation from our Conservative friends is that they pick and choose the numbers they want to quote. They picked this moment to talk about food inflation, which is at 6%. Technically, in December, they were correct, as food inflation in Canada was 6.2%. Of course, Conservatives forgot to mention that it was entirely the result of base effects. I will come back to base effects, because it is important to understand what those are. I know the Conservatives understand them, because they picked the right moment to quote 6%. I wonder what Conservatives will say, for example, in the month of March, when those base effects will have disappeared and, most likely, food inflation will be at about 2%. Then we will not hear a word from them about food inflation. However, I will come back to the base effects.

Having said that inflation is back inside the normal range, it is true that the cost of living is high. As politicians, especially those of us who are economists, we have a duty to make sure our constituents understand that inflation and the cost of living are not quite the same thing. Inflation is the rate of increase in prices; the cost of living is the price level. The price level is affected by the cumulative impact of past inflation. Even though inflation is now back at 2%, the cumulative impact of the last four years has made it so that the price level is indeed very high.

Now our friends are proposing that we bring the price level down. Is the Conservative Party really sure it wants to have a price level drop in Canada? Do members know what that is called? It is called “deflation”. Deflation usually only happens if there is a massive economic depression. Is that what Conservatives want? Bravo, if that is what they want. The Conservatives want to bring down the price level. The Conservatives want Canada to plunge into a deflationary cycle. The Conservatives want a massive economic depression. We do not want that.

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10:40 a.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Precisely. This is getting a little out of hand, and—

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:40 a.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

Order, please.

I am going to pause for just a second. I would ask the hon. parliamentary secretary to move his cellphone off the desk; it is too close to the microphone for the interpreters.

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:45 a.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

The interpreters are saying that there is too much background noise. I myself was having a hard time hearing. Maybe people could listen first and then respond.

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:45 a.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

I thank the hon. member for Berthier—Maskinongé. He is right. There is too much noise. The interpreters are having trouble. We have two official languages, and we must have access to interpretation according to procedure.

The hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry.

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

February 3rd, 2026 / 10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, I apologize for leaving my phone on the desk. I was using it to keep an eye on the time, but I understand. I will also try to be more measured with my remarks because I see that it is causing some commotion.

I was talking about deflation and saying that we do not want to trigger deflation. At the same time, we recognize that the cost of living is very high and that this is affecting different people differently. We are saying, and rightly so, that average wages have increased faster than inflation. That is true. However, average wages vary widely. Not everybody earns average wages. Those at the low end of the pay scale have not experienced these wage increases.

This relates to food inflation because it is particularly problematic when it comes to daily living expenses and essential household spending, including housing and food. Food inflation is very high in Canada, just as it is in all G7 countries.

Let us talk about food inflation. What is driving it, what set it off and what fuels it? Generally, inflation stems from a mismatch between supply and demand. Food inflation in particular is driven by the mismatch between supply and demand. Since 2022‑23, it has been primarily due to supply issues. The pandemic and the period that followed caused major disruptions across supply chains. A series of shocks affected markets in developed countries and saw food inflation soar at an exceptionally high rate.

It is not quite accurate to say that government policies caused these shocks. That is not the case. The Canadian governments public policy has nothing to do with the shortage of coffee on the market. I have never seen any coffee plantations in Saskatchewan. There are none. Canada does not produce coffee, so we have to import it. Global markets are facing a coffee shortage. I mentioned coffee because our Conservative friends always talk about coffee when they list all the items that have gone up by 30%, 40% or 50%. There is a global coffee shortage.

On top of that, our American neighbours decided to put a tariff on Brazilian coffee because they dislike the Brazilian government. Just like that, Brazilian coffee is suddenly subject to a tariff. Much of the coffee we drink in Canada is produced in the United States, so we are feeling the impact of this U.S. tariff as well.

Another very important factor in the rising food inflation seen in North America—in the United States and Canada—is the higher cost of meat.

Beef prices are very high in Canada and in the United States. It has nothing to do with government policy and everything to do with climate change. Crop failures, forest fires, droughts and all of that have made it so that cattle producers have had to sharply reduce the size of their herds. There is no meat available, which is why prices have gone through the roof. It is supply and demand. Supply has been hit by a sequence of of events, and demand has remained relatively stable; therefore, prices go up, and they have gone up very rapidly in Canada and the United States.

One of the solutions would be to open up and import more beef from overseas, but even overseas the quantities available are rather limited, so that is a major issue. Then, as beef prices increase, there is a cascading impact on many other types of protein available in supermarkets as people try to substitute other products for beef, so many other prices also go up. This is a major issue that affects food prices.

Let us go back to those base effects. As for our friends on the other side, I congratulate their strategists because they chose the right time to come up with the 6.2%, which is a real number. It exists, but it is entirely misleading because it is a base effect.

What happened one year ago, in December 2024? There was a temporary three-month reduction in the GST on many products, including some prepared foods, meals in restaurants, etc. That made it so that food prices one year ago dropped sharply, so when we compare December 2024 to December 2025, we have this 6.2% increase.

The Conservatives then say, “It is the highest increase in the G7. My God, it is one of the highest in the world. Look at what the Liberals have done.” They forgot to look at the recent monthly pattern in food price increases. If they had done that, they would have realized there has been a significant slowdown in food prices from month to month. It was something like 0.8% in October, then it went down to about 0.1% or 0.2%, and I suspect in about a week or 10 days, when the next CPI report comes out, we will see that on a month-to-month basis, food prices continue to be moderate, even if, on a year-over-year basis, January will likely be even above 6%. It will probably be something like 7% or 8%, and the Conservatives will once again cry that this is terrible.

I ask members to please look at the month-to-month evolution of food prices, and they will notice, if they are honest with themselves, that there is a marked slowdown in food prices. It is beginning to work. It is beginning to trickle down, and we are slowly but clearly bringing back food price growth to a more sustainable level.

Let us get back to the motion of our colleagues. I still have some time, but not much. The Conservatives keep coming back with the industrial carbon tax. They say, “If we just eliminate the industrial carbon tax, my God, the world will be so much better. Everything will disappear, and this will be a wonderful world.” This surprises me a lot coming from Conservatives. I have grey hair, so I remember things that happened in the past. I do not understand why our friends do not appreciate, or have ceased to appreciate, market-based mechanisms to resolve problems.

There were those raving lunatics, raving socialists, such as Brian Mulroney and Ronald Reagan, who came up with tough regulations and legislation to control acid rain, which was a huge problem. It was solved because those raving socialists, Mulroney and Reagan, did a bilateral agreement.

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

An hon. member

He is being sarcastic.

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, am I being sarcastic? Of course I am. Of course I am.

It worked. Market-based mechanisms worked, and acid rain stopped being the problem it was. The industrial carbon tax is in the same vein of mechanisms. It will be with a robust industrial carbon tax that we will accelerate our transition to a less carbon-intensive economy. It does not mean we will all of a sudden stop producing oil, of course not, but our economy will become a lot less carbon-intensive.

This will not happen by magic or any other way; it will happen if we have regulations and policies in place that provide the necessary incentives, market-based mechanisms, things that Conservatives, true Conservatives, really supported in the past and implemented in the past.

The industrial carbon tax is not going to come down, and the industrial carbon tax does not contribute to high food prices. It has zero impact on food prices. Another thing our friends often mention, and it is in their motion, is fuel regulations. They say we should not have any fuel regulations; let us burn everything in the air, who cares? Let us bring back lead. Let us put lead back in gasoline. Why not?

We need to have effective fuel regulations, fuel standards, for the benefit of ourselves, of our children, of our grandchildren. This does not lead to higher food prices. This business of food prices in Canada being driven by “hidden taxes”, well, no; those are indeed imaginary taxes because they have no impact on the retail food price.

In closing, because I think I am getting close to that, to address the issues of affordability, we need to make sure citizens have sufficient income to afford essential goods, to afford food. This what the government is doing with our groceries and essentials benefit. It is rapidly and efficiently transferring additional funds, particularly to people at the low end of the income scale, so they can face what is admittedly a tough situation with very high food prices at this time. It is by improving incomes that we improve affordability.

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10:55 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member from across the way for the lesson. I am not sure how he might go to a food bank lineup with that lesson and give that to Canadians who are really struggling right now. One of the criticisms he brought forward is this moment in time that he is criticizing us for, with respect to food inflation rates. The prediction is, however, that over this year we are in right now, in 2026, grocery prices are predicted to go up by another $1,000, twice as fast as in the U.S.

How does he square that with these criticisms he is coming at us with, on the motion we are putting forward, as we are paying attention to the real needs and concerns of Canadians who do not want a lesson in economics but want the government to be serious about this issue?

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10:55 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, there are many things I could talk about, but I do not have much time. I do note the reality of food banks. There is a very important one in my riding, Moisson Laval. During the Christmas holiday period, I visited them. I worked with them. They, with other food banks in the Montreal area, were among the first to suggest to us that we should find ways to increase the incomes of everyday families so they could afford food. To afford food, we need to have the income. We need income support. Conservatives, I think, to this day do not quite understand what income support is.

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11 a.m.

Bloc

Yves Perron Bloc Berthier—Maskinongé, QC

Mr. Speaker, I know the parliamentary secretary is an intelligent man with a solid grasp of economic concepts. I would like him to tell me his opinion of the grocery industry. We know that the five major grocery store chains control 80% of the market. They appeared twice in committee last year, but we did not get any information out of them. They are very tight-lipped. They still say that margin percentages are unchanged, yet their profits are skyrocketing before our eyes.

Does my colleague think it might be a good idea to create some sort of price-fixing observatory for this sector? Is his government prepared to consider that? Increased competition is a good idea, but it is only achievable over the very long term. I would like to hear my colleague's opinion.

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11 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, one of the problems that we have in Canada is that our food distribution industry is highly concentrated. There are a few suppliers, a few businesses that operate in that sector. These businesses are also large conglomerates that have other much more profitable activities. However, we have found that grocery stores' operating margins do not seem to be out of the ordinary compared to what has happened in the past.

Of course, it is very useful and important to continue monitoring the situation to ensure that there are no unexplained price increases.

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11 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have been sitting here for 20 minutes listening to a former finance minister of Quebec, who served for four years in that position, try to explain to the House, at a very elementary level, and in particular to the Conservatives, why deflation is not a good thing, and all I could hear was them laughing at him.

The reality is that the Conservatives' suggestions on this will not come to fruition. The member does not have the benefit of having sat here for five years listening to the Conservatives say, day after day, that if we got rid of the carbon tax all food prices would suddenly drop. The carbon tax is now gone and what happened? Did any food prices drop? No. According to the Conservatives, this has been the worst year. That is what they have been saying, and that is what this motion is saying.

Could the member take the opportunity once again to explain why the elimination of these price mechanisms, which he so eloquently indicated the Conservatives believe in, would not work?

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, obviously, I agree entirely with what my colleague just mentioned.

When we want to change a behaviour, when we want individuals or corporations to behave in a different way, we use policy tools. We use incentives. We use market-based incentives to achieve that goal. That is what we think should happen. Just like the consumer carbon tax had no impact on food prices, removing the industrial carbon tax would have zero impact on food prices, and it would remove a very useful tool that we have to reduce pollution.

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11 a.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, there is one part of this motion that I could agree with, which is point (b): that we need to boost competition. When we look at why food prices in Canada are higher, it has to do with the big, giant grocery stores having a much larger concentration of ownership in our market. I grew up in Atlantic Canada, where I belonged to a co-op. The co-op grocery stores across Canada continue to have lower food prices than the big giants: the Loblaws, the Sobeys, the Metros, so on and so forth.

I want to ask the hon. parliamentary secretary if we could seize this moment to develop a real analysis of our food systems in order to bring down prices and increase nutritional value? Could we not also look at local food and stopping food waste so that people know how to cook and use food well and economically?

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, it might not surprise the House that I agree entirely with what my colleague is saying.

When I visited Moisson Laval, the food bank in my riding, one of the things it is doing is not just distributing food to people in need but also creating groups or classes, for lack of a better word, to pass on information to the users of the food banks on how they could best maximize their meagre dollars and continue to provide food for their families, but in a more rational way. It is also doing that. Therefore, I think it is important to support local initiatives and smaller grocery stores, which, indeed, have a role to play. We have to find a way to give them enough space so that they can thrive as well.

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11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Sandra Cobena Conservative Newmarket—Aurora, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have a lot of respect for the member, but I was deeply disappointed to hear the opening of his speech where he said that he disagrees with everything that the Conservatives are proposing. Does he disagree with increasing competition in grocery chains?

Every first-year economics student learns that when markets have more competition, it drives prices down, it disciplines profits and it improves efficiency. Monopolies and oligopolies do exactly the opposite. They keep prices artificially high. Does the member disagree with the Conservative proposal to increase competition in grocery chains, or does he disagree with the laws of supply, demand and efficient markets?

Opposition Motion—Food AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, obviously supply and demand is the name of the game. Indeed, competition is key in food processing and in food distribution. In any one industry, competition is key.

There are many different ways we can stimulate competition. One of the things that I agree with the previous speaker on is that we have to find enough space for locally owned, smaller grocery stores to be able to operate. There are issues in competition that prevent smaller companies from opening stores. I think we can address that and we should address that.

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11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Mr. Speaker, there has been talk about supply. I would like to know what my colleague thinks about the following. To improve the supply of imported fruits and vegetables, the government could promote greenhouse cultivation. It could also stop making cuts to agriculture, particularly to research centres. This would enable farmers to adapt and to develop technology to be more competitive.

The government recently announced that it will be closing several research centres, including the one in Sainte‑Foy.