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  • His favourite word was friend.

Last in Parliament October 2000, as NDP MP for Kamloops (B.C.)

Lost his last election, in 2000, with 28% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Nuclear Reactor Finance Limitation Act February 14th, 1995

moved that Bill C-285, an act to eliminate financial support for nuclear reactor design and construction in Canada or abroad and to amend the Atomic Energy Control Act in consequence thereof, be read the second time and referred to a committee.

Mr. Speaker, I am really pleased to have the chance to raise this private member's bill today. It is very timely. Today is Valentine's Day when we acknowledge the special relationships that we have in our lives.

Today I call into question the relationship that the federal government has with the nuclear industry. For many years it has been a sweetheart deal between the federal government and the nuclear industry of Canada.

Essentially this bill is intended to cut the subsidies that the federal government over the years has provided for the nuclear sector. I have a list from 1948 until 1992. I will not read it out because it goes on and on. It clearly identifies the hundreds of millions of dollars with which the Canadian taxpayers subsidize Canada's nuclear industry.

I want to make clear from the start that this in no way reflects a reduction in support for the use of isotopes for medical use. We all acknowledge the benefits that accrue from a whole set of medical initiatives.

Perhaps I should read what this bill does. The title is Nuclear Reactor Finance Limitation Act.

It says:

Notwithstanding any act of Parliament, no payment shall be made from the consolidated revenue fund for the purpose of subsidizing or paying or loaning any part of the cost or of guaranteeing any loan that is for the purpose of subsidizing or paying or loaning any part of the cost of any real property, intellectual property, goods or services that are used for the research, investigation, design, testing, construction, manufacture, operation, use, application or licensing of any thing or property of any nature that will be used in or for a nuclear reactor.

It goes on to elaborate on this theme. Basically it is a bill that would eliminate the subsidies that the federal government provides to the nuclear sector. These are substantial. I think if one were to generalize, it would not be an elaboration to suggest that on average about $200 million a year of taxpayers' money goes to subsidizing this particular industry.

This is a time when we are all conscious of the need for fiscal restraint and aware of the need for evaluating every subsidy, grant and expenditure on a cost benefit basis. We can apply any cost benefit analysis to ask whether the $200 million year after year is a good investment for the taxpayers of Canada. There is only one conclusion in economic, health and environmental terms. It does not stand up to scrutiny.

I want to elaborate on a few points. We talk about being on the dole. A previous leader went on at some time about the corporate welfare bums. If there were ever a corporate welfare bum it has to be the nuclear sector. We would assume the nuclear industry is a major player in the energy sector because of the tremendous subsidies it receives.

We would assume the nuclear sector contributes a significant percentage of the overall energy sector of Canada. It does not. It is actually beneath firewood. In other words, more people use firewood for energy than nuclear energy. By firewood I am talking about hog fuels as opposed to what people are using in a fireplace or whatever. We typically burn chunks of wood.

Wood accounts for about 7 per cent of the energy picture. Coal, electric and others account for 6 per cent. Hydro accounts for 14 per cent, gas for 33 per cent, oil for 36 per cent, nuclear 4 per cent. Out of all of the various energy options in our country, nuclear accounts for about 4 per cent of the entire energy package. Yet in terms of research and development monies coming from the federal government, it receives more than all others combined.

When we add up the $200 million a year over the life of this particular government, it will come to nearly $1 billion. I think if taxpayers were put the question in a referendum: "Are you prepared to spend $1 billion over the life of this particular federal government to support and subsidize the nuclear energy sector?", my guess is that overwhelmingly people would say no.

I know that an argument people often use for example is there are a number of people employed in this sector. Of course, we could say that about any sector. If that were the sole motivation, I suppose we should be subsidizing the marijuana industry or the drug industry if jobs are the criteria.

Any economic activity will create jobs, including the nuclear sector. Of greater relevance is whether such jobs are sustainable, including the overall cost to society of maintaining those jobs.

When I talk about the $200 million subsidy annually, that is not the actual cost to Canadians. That is the cost today. Eventually we are going to have to start dismantling these nuclear reactors, 22 of them with Ontario Hydro alone. We are going to start decommissioning these nuclear reactors. To decommission a nuclear reactor is not some minor financial undertaking.

The Auditor General, I think in the 1992 report, indicated that a major cost that is never counted into the accounting system of Atomic Energy Canada is the cost accruing in terms of eventual dismantling. We have some evidence of what that cost would be. I think the most recent nuclear reactor that was dismantled in New Jersey cost $157 million U.S. Rounding it out, for one nuclear reactor alone we are adding another $200 million for the decommissioning. That is just decommissioning. What do we do with the nuclear waste? Again, we have yet to come up with something for what is at this moment a serious problem and likely to be a problem for perhaps hundreds, thousands or millions of years to come.

Here we are on this treadmill developing nuclear reactors, going head long in terms of these incredible subsidies to this one energy sector that only accounts for 4 per cent of the total energy package for Canada at a time when they are unsafe, we do not

know what to do with the waste. Even now the subsidies do not reflect the true cost.

We just had on Parliament Hill a reception. The minister welcomed the nuclear industry to Parliament Hill. We heard what people are really worried about, that this is very economical.

If it is so economical why have we had to subsidize this industry since 1948? Why does it cost the taxpayers of Canada, not $200 million, not $1 billion, but close to $20 billion? Is this what we call economical? That industry after decades of subsidization still cannot stand on its own two feel. It requires this incredible subsidy by the federal government on an annual basis.

Talk about being on the dole. That industry should be hanging its head in disgrace, coming here wearing out the knees of its pants asking for that kind of handout from the taxpayers of Canada year after year. Has it no grace? Has it no pride?-not as long as those people are across the way, whether they be Tories or Liberals, it does not make any difference. They are there, backing up the old truck and shovelling out the taxpayers' dollars, $200 million to start with on an annual basis.

I think my Liberal friends across the way surely should be waiting for me to sit down so they can get up and condemn this abuse of taxpayers' money and to say now is the time to send a message to our Minister of Finance. They should stand up and be counted. Do the right thing. Listen to Canadians and stop this handout to the nuclear industry.

I got a little worked up but I cannot help it when I see the kind of abuses we tolerate.

What can we say about this? I want to reiterate a few points. The nuclear industry represents 4 per cent of the energy package of Canada and yet receives more than the natural gas sector, the oil sector, the coal sector, the renewable sector and conservation combined in terms of subsidies.

I ask my Liberal friends across the way-I know my Reform friends will agree with me and certainly the Bloc will agree with me-if we are going to subsidize any part of the energy sector should it not make more sense to subsidize the area that is looking into how to replace this kind of industry, the renewable resources or the alternative, the conservationist options that are available to us?

We heard sometime ago that down in New York they decided to back out of the big James Bay hydro project. The reason they did that was the conservation elements that they introduced in the state of New York were so overwhelmingly successful they did not need the power. There might be other factors that we have to take into consideration but fundamentally the energy authority in the state of New York said the conservation methods introduced have been so successful that it does not have to enter into that long term energy agreement with Quebec Hydro.

Again, where we have evidence it works. Yet this government seems to be walking around with a real hearing problem, a real sight problem. It cannot see what is obviously the right thing to do. I say to the government if it is confident in what it says it does, ask the people of Canada what they think; if we should be handing out money by the basket full, $200 million a year plus to one energy sector that accounts for only 4 per cent of the whole energy package in Canada.

If there is a country in the world that does not have to subsidize the nuclear industry, that does not need a nuclear industry, it is Canada.

We have energy coming out of our yin-yang. We have coal, we have-

Petitions February 6th, 1995

Madam Speaker, it is an honour for me to present a petition made possible through the efforts of Bill C-55 and especially Mr. Doug Collins, Mr. Nick Carter and Daniel Earl and signed by residents of the great city of Kamloops.

Motivated by the Melanie Carpenter tragedy the petitioners call for changes to Canada's justice system, including assurance that those who are violent and sexual offenders are jailed for sufficient terms and if necessary for life to ensure that safety and security return to our streets and to our neighbourhoods.

This is the first of many petitions to come. To this date well over 3,000 signatures have already been gathered in just the last few days urging for changes to our criminal justice system.

Taxation February 6th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, would the Minister of Finance simply say that what we read in the press today is not true, that in spite of the fact that we all appreciate there are a whole host of loopholes for the wealthiest in Canada, now we find out that the minister is going to provide one more loophole outside the parameters of the budget? Canadians who sell off assets in excess of $600,000 in the U.S. are going to pay U.S. tax but this minister now is contemplating giving them a tax credit to make up for that.

Will the minister stand in his place and say this will not be a tax loophole that he will be introducing, although it is part of the protocol being negotiated? While he is on his feet, will he tell us what the Prime Minister is going to tell President Clinton to do about that head tax at the U.S. border?

United States Entrance Fee February 6th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I want to draw the Prime Minister's attention to the President of the United States who in a desperate effort to raise funds has decided to impose $1.50 U.S. head tax on all Canadians visiting the United States. He is also planning to ask for $3 U.S. for every vehicle crossing to the United States.

This flies against the tradition of an open border between Canada and the United States. It flies in the face of the free trade agreement signed by the United States.

When the Prime Minister meets with Bill Clinton later this month he should say: "Take this off the budgetary table. Canadians simply will not tolerate this poke in the eye with a sharp stick by the President of the United States".

Point Of Order February 6th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, prior to the Christmas recess I made some unacceptable comments on a decision that the Speaker made, which I appreciate in the traditions of Parliament were inappropriate. I suggested some motives which was also inappropriate. This morning I wish to apologize for any problems that those remarks might have caused you, Mr. Speaker, and withdraw those remarks.

Royal Bank Of Canada November 3rd, 1994

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Deputy Prime Minister, who will appreciate that in an effort to manage the deficit and the debt, the government has been calling upon Canadians, UI recipients, students, farmers, fishers and many others to pay their fair share.

She will also be aware that last week we heard the Royal Bank of Canada is expecting to see its profit margin in excess of $1 billion this year. If she looks at the financial record she will find that in 1992 in spite of $63 million in profits the Royal Bank paid no income tax at all.

Last year in spite of $324 million in profits, the Royal Bank paid no income tax and also got a tax credit to apply for this year. Will the Deputy Prime Minister not admit that when a teller at the Royal Bank is actually paying more income tax than the entire Royal Bank of Canada there is something wrong with this picture?

Petitions October 24th, 1994

On another matter, Mr. Speaker, again petitioners mainly from Kamloops and surrounding communities ask Parliament to ensure that the present provisions of the Criminal Code of Canada prohibiting assisted suicide be enforced vigorously and that Parliament make no change in the law that would sanction or allow the aiding or abetting of suicide or active or passive euthanasia.

Petitions October 24th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to present a petition on behalf of a number of residents of Logan Lake and a number of surrounding communities that point out that Canada's mining industry is the mainstay of employment in over 150 communities across Canada.

They point out that the Canadian Mineral Industry Federation has proposed a 10-point plan of action to be addressed by both the mineral industry and the Government of Canada to keep mining in Canada.

Therefore, they call upon Parliament to take action that will generate employment in the mining sector, promote exploration, rebuild Canada's mineral reserves, sustain mining communities and keep mining in Canada.

Gun Control October 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, in the last few hours Canadians have learned once again of violent deaths associated with armed robbery and other forms of misuse of firearms. I emphasize the misuse of firearms.

Considering the ongoing misuse of firearms and the increasing nature of violent crimes associated with firearms, is it not time for the minister, for the cabinet, for the government and for the Parliament of Canada to reflect what Canadians are telling us, that is to institute a zero tolerance for the misuse of firearms in this country and instruct the Minister of Justice to bring in legislation to change the Criminal Code to reflect the zero tolerance position of the country?

Nuclear Reactor Finance Limitation Act October 19th, 1994

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-285, an act to eliminate financial support for nuclear reactor design and construction in Canada or abroad and to amend the Atomic Energy Control Act in consequence thereof.

Mr. Speaker, actually the tabling of the bill is quite timely when we consider that the subsidies to Atomic Energy of Canada amount to almost $200 million a year at a time when we are very concerned about deficit reduction.

Essentially the bill prevents the federal government from giving any financial assistance or technical support to nuclear reactor projects except those for making isotopes for medical use, acknowledging that there is an appropriate use in terms of a nuclear industry particularly when it comes to treating the illnesses of people.

It is essentially a moratorium on any further construction of these types of projects.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed.)