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  • His favourite word was quebec.

Last in Parliament May 2004, as Liberal MP for Lac-Saint-Louis (Québec)

Won his last election, in 2000, with 74% of the vote.

Statements in the House

The Income Tax Act October 9th, 2003

Mr. Speaker, this year there have been catastrophes of immense dimension in Canada. Forest fires of untold proportions raged throughout the summer in British Columbia and Alberta. We recently heard that the Ward Hut ice shelf off Ellesmere Island in the Arctic detached itself and broke up. This is an area the size of the island of Montreal which gives people an idea of its dimension. More recently in Nova Scotia, hurricane Juan created a path of tremendous destruction, uprooting trees that were 200 and 300 years old. What do those things have to do with Bill C-48? The relationship is simple; it is called climate change.

Yesterday during the vote on Bill C-48 my colleague from Davenport and I stood to vote against the bill. We did not do it lightly or lightheartedly. These were tough decisions which were not done joyfully. In fact we regret them intensely. However, as environmentalists, we feel very strongly that there is a total contradiction between the government's policy toward climate change and our commitments to the Kyoto protocol.

The objective of Bill C-48 is to further promote the non-renewable energy sector, mainly the oil and gas industry which is a huge contributor to carbon emissions. These changes directly contradict the recommendations of the OECD that preferential treatment for the non-renewable sector should be eliminated. The same recommendation was made in the 1998 report of the Minister of Finance's technical committee on business taxation.

The Department of Finance technical study dated March 3, 2003 justified additional tax cuts which led to Bill C-48. It is interesting to note that there was no reference at all to the environmental or social costs of extraction of resources.

I would like to quote some very startling figures. I can vouch that they are official figures. The Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development stated that direct government spending on non-renewable energy has been $202 million a year. Over five years this amounts to $1 billion. Between 1998-2002, the oil sands tax expenditure was approximately $597 million, over five years. The oil and gas investment tax credit amounted to $128 million. Over five years this amounted to $640 million. Over the last five years approximately $2.9 billion has gone into subsidies to oil and gas, and Atomic Energy of Canada for nuclear power.

In 2000 the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development published a report on the energy sector. I would like to quote from section 3.86 in the conclusion of the report:

Two important ways to address climate change are using energy more efficiently and establishing a more sustainable mix of energy sources, which means a greater reliance on renewable sources. The federal government stated in its 1996 renewable energy strategy that it wants to increase investments in renewable energy. It has also said for many years that it wants Canadians to use energy more efficiently, and the Office of Energy Efficiency is currently promoting this goal.

It is also stated in section 3.68 of the same report:

The tax system does not give any preferential treatment to certain investments that improve energy efficiency.

In other words, we are loading the dice in favour of favourable tax treatment to the non-renewable energy sector, the fossil fuel sector, while not providing any favourable tax treatment to the renewable sector.

The same report mentions in section 3.36 the various types of federal support to the non-renewable industry the following:

Since 1970, the federal government has written off $2.8 billion of its investments and loans for energy projects in the non-renewable sector.

I repeat, $2.8 billion.

I get the very strange feeling that we are speaking out of both sides of our mouths. On one side we are talking about Kyoto and climate change, putting large amounts of money, $3 billion in the last two budgets, into energy efficiency, the reduction of fossil fuel consumption and a reduction of carbon emissions into the atmosphere. This is a good side of it. On the other side we are presenting Bill C-48 to promote the accelerated use of fossil fuel resources. It seems to me there is a total contradiction which I must say as an environmentalist I cannot support. In fact, this is exacerbated by the feeling that this is an industry with so much clout that it almost dictates policy.

The Prime Minister in relation to Kyoto wrote a letter to the oil and gas industry on July 25, 2003. One section of the letter states:

  1. Other environmental regulations: The “business-as-usual” reference for intensity targets will take into account future federal environmental regulations. A consistent approach across all federal policies will avoid imposing a greenhouse gas penalty on mandated actions to improve environmental performance.

This letter almost gives carte blanche to the fossil fuel industry to go ahead and continue putting out carbon emissions, that there will be a cap of 15% put on reductions so that it will not be too drastically affected and it will be able to certainly respect it. The feeling is that we are really saying one thing and certainly acting, through bills like Bill C-48, very much in the other direction.

My colleague from Davenport, who stood with me yesterday to show our disappointment, displeasure and disagreement with Bill C-48, was recently at the International Energy Agency in Paris. He asked a question about the state of the world's oil reserves. They told him that if no new reserves were identified, the mid-depletion point for oil and gas would be about 2020. Then there would be sufficient reserves for another 20 to 25 years. In other words, it goes to show that our oil reserves worldwide are being depleted at a huge rate, considering that transportation and all other uses of energy are multiplying manyfold.

In regard to gas, the answer regarding the mid-depletion point was 2020, another 20 or 25 years. We are talking about results and targets that will fall in the lifetime of most Canadians. This is not something that is one, two or three centuries ahead. The mid-depletion is there, next door, in a few year's time. The depletion point for oil worldwide might be 2050.

What conclusion should we draw from this? The conclusion we should draw is that we do not say let us not use our oil resources. Of course not. We have to and we must. At the same time we are saying to the oil industry and to the government, surely a slower depletion rate would be far better for our economy and we could keep our reserves longer. At the same time, it would open the way for parallel stream which we must push with far more vigour.

We need a parallel stream of renewable energies, such as wind, solar, biomass and cogeneration. While we slow down the depletion of our oil reserves, we accelerate the pace of our renewable energies. When the oil reserves are depleted in 25, 30 or 50 years, we will have a thriving renewable energy sector such as is in the making in places like Germany and Denmark where wind power has become a very positive, constructive and important fact of life.

The Danes have made a policy to replace all their coal and oil energy with wind power in 30 years. It seems to me that we have to embark on an overall strategy, 25 or 30 years along, to put the accent more on favourable tax treatment in favour of renewable energies and to disfavour the fossil fuel sector so that it depletes itself far more slowly. Rather, we are doing everything to accelerate depletion and are giving more profits, subsidies and incentives to the fossil fuel industry.

I would like to quote from a text from Foreign Affairs of July/August 2003, by three highly credible Americans: Tim Worth, president of the United Nations Foundation and a former U.S. senator from Colorado; Boyden Gray, partner of Wilmer, Cutler and Pickering and served as counsel to former president, George H.W. Bush, the present president's father; and John D. Podesta, a visiting professor of law at Georgetown University Law Center and was chief of staff to former president, Bill Clinton. I recommend to my colleagues to read this article which is entitled “The Future of Energy Policy”.

I will quote from it. It states:

The time has come to craft a long-term, strategic approach to energy. A central feature must be public-private coalitions for change that bring together business, labor and environmental advocates. The first step must be to focus on what is important and define what needs to be accomplished. Three far-reaching, 25-year goals encapsulate America's long-term interests and should guide its energy policies.

First, America should address its dependence on oil by cutting U.S. oil consumption by a third, setting an example for the rest of the world and breaking the grip of the global oil cartel. Second, to take on the dangers faced by the world's climate, America should cut its carbon emissions by a third as a stimulus to a two-thirds global reduction by the end of the century. Finally, the United States should develop, deploy, and disseminate clean energy technologies and institute trade policies that can increase the access of poor people around the world to modern energy services and agricultural markets. Such moves will improve the lives of billions of people, stimulate economic growth and create new markets for American goods and services.

In the course of this article, it points out that in regard to energy, of which we consume far too much, of the six billion people in the world, two billion do not know what electricity is. We just flick a switch and put on our lights. We just get into our cars and they go. Two billion people in the world do not even have electricity.

In closing, I would like to also quote from the same article. It states:

A strategic energy policy will unite diverse political constituencies and forge common cause among stakeholders that are often at odds. The environmental community's objective is not to shut down coal, it is to shut down carbon; zero-carbon coal thus is something to agree on. The automotive and oil industries' objective is to not to prop up dictators in the Middle East or to sully the natural world, it is to provide a return to their shareholders; making fuels, cars, trucks and buses that are clean and profitable thus is something to agree on.

Most of all, a collaborative strategic approach holds out hope for ending dependence on oil, eliminating excess carbon dioxide emissions, and providing clean and reliable energy services and agricultural opportunity to the world's poor. The result would be to “hurry the future” by unleashing a torrent of innovation that will stimulate economic growth, create new jobs, improve productivity, and increase prosperity and security for the United States and the world.

These same words could apply to us here. It is not through bills like Bill C-48 that we will achieve this. With great forethought, a strategic policy that will look ahead and base itself on clean energies while depleting our fossil fuel reserves, which we need, with far less speed will achieve this.

I hope that many of my colleagues will join us in voting against Bill C-48.

Interparliamentary Delegations October 7th, 2003

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to the standing orders I have the honour to present to the House, in both official languages, the report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association, OSCE, to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in European Parliamentary Assembly, OSCE PA, from its annual session in Rotterdam, The Netherlands, July 5-9, 2003.

Library and Archives of Canada Act October 6th, 2003

Mr. Speaker, I will not speak to what happened at report stage or to what is happening today with the clause. I do not think that is my function. I do not have any particular biases in regard to this clause, whether it stays in or is left out.

At the same time, we have to agree that a difficult situation arose because an agreement had been made and then some members, who were not part of that decision, felt very strongly that the clause should stay in. They managed to convince colleagues, in a very genuine way, because they happened to be very convincing and passionate with their arguments, to vote for the inclusion of the clause.

In effect, the government, in looking at the committee report, would see that a majority of members, acting I think in good faith, because they certainly had not been a part of any agreement, voted in favour of keeping the clause in.

In effect, the government saw the committee's deliberation and no doubt decided that because of this it should leave the clause in. That is the only interpretation I can make of what is happening today. The government wanted to reflect the views of those members on the committee who felt that clause 21 was important enough to leave in the bill.

This whole issue of clause 21 is one of those polarized questions where we find people strongly opposed to its inclusion while another group, the other 50%, are just as passionate that it should stay in. It is one of those very difficult clauses. I imagine the decision was based on what happened at the committee and the majority vote there.

Library and Archives of Canada Act October 6th, 2003

Mr. Speaker, I understand that members are frustrated by what happened. I believe we should forgive and forget. Everyone had a chance to speak up and now we will have to find a way to work together so that in the future, when there is an agreement, we make sure that every committee member is present.

What happened is that the committee met one week after Parliament had adjourned. So it was very difficult to have all the members in attendance. This is why on that day the members in question were replaced by other members. It was not the result of any ill intent. Everyone said what they thought about it. I can understand them and I sympathize with the opposition members, who are feeling frustrated. I understand them perfectly.

Library and Archives of Canada Act October 6th, 2003

Mr. Speaker, I had no intention of speaking on the contents of the bill but it behooves me to address some of the remarks that some colleagues have made, no doubt genuinely. At the same time I think the record has to be put straight as to what happened in the committee.

I heard things here which seemed to imply that there was some kind of collusion or some underhanded practice that led to the fact that clause 21 remained in the bill when there had been an agreement between the parliamentary secretary and certain members of the opposition to delete it in committee.

I know this agreement did take place. I know the member for Kootenay—Columbia and the member for Fraser Valley were part of it. I know my colleague from Vanier on this side of the House was also part of it. Therefore definitely there had been discussions leading to the decision to delete clause 21. This was done in a very genuine effort to ensure that Bill C-36 would pass clause by clause without any problem. Therefore the agreement was definitely there.

When the committee meeting took place, and I happen to know it because I was chairing the committee, I would like to point out for those members who feel that something untoward or underhanded took place, that was definitely not the case. What unfortunately happened, and I guess we can search ourselves and decide that in the future we should be more thorough when making agreements of this nature, was that it was done at the last minute as Parliament was recessing. The flaw in the agreement was that not all other members on the Liberal side were party to it. As well, replacement members on the committee came in to fill in for the quorum who were not party to the agreement.

Therefore when the discussion took place as to the removal of clause 21, I remember clearly that I put on the record that there had been a prior agreement. Therefore, the question was quite clear to all members that there had been an agreement. At the same time certain members, and I remember my colleagues from Parkdale--High Park and from Verdun—Saint-Henri—Saint-Paul—Pointe Saint-Charles, who had not been part of it argued very strongly that they could not be bound by an agreement of which they were unaware. They felt extremely strong about retaining clause 21 within the bill.

Therefore we have to accept that those members who had not been part of the agreement, and maybe we could search ourselves and say that it was a big flaw in the agreement and obviously it was, decided for their own sake they wanted to preserve clause 21 within the bill and they argued passionately about it.

The member for Parkdale—High Park and the member for Verdun—Saint-Henri—Saint-Paul—Pointe Saint-Charles happen to know the subject extremely well. They spoke with conviction, and with eloquence about the reasons why they felt clause 21 should stay. What happened was they convinced the other members who really were replacement members and who did not know much about copyright legislation. They were swayed by the arguments.

When the vote took place the majority voted in favour of keeping clause 21 within the bill.

It is unfortunate the way it happened. I feel a lot of sympathy for the members who feel they were let down: the members for Kootenay--Columbia, Fraser Valley, Jonquière, and all the others who were at the committee and felt there was an agreement for the removal of that clause. I sympathize with them. I realize how they must feel about being let down in a process where they felt they had a commitment that the clause would be removed.

On the other hand, we also have to recognize that the members who were not part of that agreement had a genuine reason for defending their viewpoint and a democratic right to put across their point of view. What happened was they were obviously convincing enough that the majority of members accepted what they were putting forward and voted with them to leave the clause in.

I feel a particular sympathy for the member for Perth--Middlesex, who is a new member of the House. He came as the only representative of the opposition at the time, because the member for Jonquière had left. He could have broken the committee meeting and stopped it right away by leaving. I made clear to him that there was an agreement, but explained the circumstances that some members were not part of it, and he hesitated. He could have left and to his credit he decided to stay so the meeting could continue. If he had chosen to leave, the clause by clause would have been suspended immediately. Again I have much sympathy with him because by his staying, the meeting carried on and the majority voted to keep the clause in the bill.

These are the facts. The record shows this. I would like to confirm here and now that there was no malice of forethought and no intent to deceive. It was unfortunately one of those tacit agreements, which was made on the fly at the end of a session, and as events show, not very well made because all the members were not part of it. This is why I wanted to stand and put the record straight. I would not like to leave an impression that any of the members had anything to do with anything that was unfair or untoward.

I have chaired this committee now for several years. One thing we have tried to do is reach consensus in a fair and open matter and we have tried to understand one another's point of view. I think we work extremely well together. I regret this circumstance took place, because whether we like it or not, it leaves a bad taste. I hope in the future, when such agreements are made, we tie up the loose ends on all sides so we avoid the circumstances that occurred in the committee.

Committees of the House October 3rd, 2003

Madam Speaker, I apologize for interrupting my colleague, which I regret having to do, but time is getting short.

This morning I tabled a report from the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, which calls for an extension of the Copyright Act review from its original expiry date of October 3, 2003 to September 30, 2004.

This could not be done sooner, because the committee had to be struck yesterday.

I presented that this morning to ask for the Copyright Act review to be extended to September 30, 2004, which is only a technical matter.

I move that the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented to the House earlier this day, be concurred in.

Committees of the House October 3rd, 2003

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage seeking authorization to continue its deliberations for the statutory review of the Copyright Act beyond October 3, 2003, as determined by the act, and to present its final report no later than September 30, 2004.

If the House gives its consent, I intend to move concurrence in the fourth report later this day.

Canadian Women's Soccer Team October 3rd, 2003

Mr. Speaker, having played at lot of soccer in my youth, it was with great interest that I followed the amazing development of international women's soccer as well as its characteristic enthusiasm and fair play, which are truly an inspiration.

Last night, the Canadian women's soccer team won a historic victory against China. This is the first time our national team has made it to the semi-final of the World Cup.

It is truly an amazing feat for our young Canadian women to have reached a level of achievement so close to the summit of women's international soccer.

Canada will be playing Sweden in the semi-final on Sunday. I am sure all members of the House will join with me in wishing our Cinderella team Godspeed and the continuation of their inspiring international adventure. Go, Canada, go.

Petitions September 25th, 2003

Mr. Speaker, the second petition is one from citizens of my riding and others. The petitioners call upon Parliament to protect our children by taking all necessary steps to ensure that all materials which promote or glorify pedophilia or sado-masochistic activities involving children be outlawed.

Petitions September 25th, 2003

Mr. Speaker, I have the pleasure of presenting two petitions. The first petition is from many hundreds of Canadians, including many from my riding. The petition state that scientists have demonstrated that growth factors can direct the evolvement of human embryonic cells into insulin producing cells that might help to cure juvenile diabetes type 1.

Therefore, the petitioners ask the Parliament of Canada to proceed using all types of stem cells, including embryonic stem cells, because it is impossible to predict which would provide the most medical benefits.