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  • His favourite word was workers.

Last in Parliament October 2000, as Progressive Conservative MP for Madawaska—Restigouche (New Brunswick)

Won his last election, in 1997, with 50% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Supply October 20th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, certainly some of this money should go to the students.

When we look at big government today we see that it is certainly represented by legal assistance and has qualified for legal aid, but our own Canadian students who are unemployed, have little revenue and are facing high debts when they exit university are faced with borrowing money to have good representation.

I find the government certainly should compensate these people and make sure there is a level playing field at the commission and all parties are equally represented. If they are not going to give representation to these students, they should not give representation to anybody else on this commission.

Supply October 20th, 1998

Madam Speaker, I state my support for the motion put forward by the member for Winnipeg—Transcona. Since our return to the House of Commons on September 21 we have watched daily how the government has continuously fumbled the ball with regard to the APEC inquiry.

Things are definitely going from bad to worse, for what value do Canadians hold more sacred than freedom of speech? It seems that what matters most in this instance is, instead, protecting the Prime Minister's reputation.

In the fall of 1997, the Prime Minister gave orders for repression of the students. It is now obvious, a year later, that he has not learned any lesson from this. His repression of the students continues.

This time pepper spray is not being used. Now the principles of natural justice are going by the board.

While the government is arming itself with an impressive collection of lawyers, the students are left to their own devices, the excuse being that they are the complainants in the case and that there is therefore no obligation to pay for their lawyers.

In fact, at the very time it was refusing to cover the students' legal fees, the government had just engaged three additional lawyers. It has also retained the services of an expensive public relations outfit to do something about its tarnished image.

But it continues to tell us it is unable to cover the students' legal fees. There is something very hollow sounding about the government's arguments. It is as though it were trying to convince us there was no such precedent in the Canadian legal system. Has it forgotten the court challenges program? This is a program that allows individuals to challenge the actions of various levels of government when they are inconsistent with the provisions of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Why can the government not take a page from this program and provide the students with adequate representation before the commission? What is it afraid of? In my opinion, those involved are afraid of damaging their almighty reputation. What they do not realize is that, with each passing day, each new allegation, and each attempt to cover up the truth, their reputation is slipping ever lower in Canadians' eyes.

The proof is in the editorial pages across the nation. Already they are calling for the solicitor general's resignation. There are plenty of other examples of newspapers handing down the verdict of Canadians.

Does the solicitor general really think that denying the students funding will improve his reputation with the public? And what about the Prime Minister's reputation?

The recent cover story in Maclean's in my opinion clearly points out what is wrong with this government. The problems it has incurred are directly related to the actions of the Prime Minister. In the article Donald Savoie of the University of Moncton, who has recently finished conducting interviews with past and present cabinet ministers for his upcoming book, concludes that our national institutions, starting with parliament, and I will include cabinet, are in bad shape. They are being bypassed.

What is slowly being revealed is the existence of our own dictatorship right here in the Prime Minister's office. We have watched the Prime Minister from go from not knowing what pepper spray was to being something he puts on his plate. He then makes the weakest of apologies and goes on to declare only a few days later that he was happy to have pepper spray instead of rubber chicken.

Yesterday he floored Canadians when he went on to say that the pepper spray victims were lucky that they were not beaten with baseball bats.

Pepper spray is a banned substance in Canada. It is illegal to bring it across the border from the United States. Women can no longer purchase it to protect themselves. Yet the Prime Minister feels it was civilized and appropriate for the dispersal of a gathering of non-violent protesters on a university campus. Plain common sense would tell us that those remarks were inappropriate. However, the Prime Minister makes no apologies. I conclude he must believe he is above that.

The students have been victimized in the affirmation of their charter of rights. Now the solicitor general has victimized them again by refusing the commission's second request for funding of legal representation for the complainants. The common sense approach to this would be to either provide both parties with legal representation or to have both parties appear before the commission without legal representation.

Day after day the solicitor general has told this House in question period that he has every confidence in the commission to find the truth. He states we should let it do its work.

Meanwhile, the commission has told him not once but twice that it requires funding for the students' legal representation. In the commission's view this is needed for it to continue to do its work in proper fashion.

We have seen some very courageous and sensible arguments today on this motion. Common sense is something we have come to realize is desperately lacking in the government today.

Our ancestors fought world wars and sacrificed their lives to assure future generations of this country the freedom to express their views without censorship. The power of freedom of expression is a notion that came alive for us in this House when we had the privilege of hearing Nelson Mandela's powerful words only a few short weeks ago. It is sad to watch this hypocrisy before us now.

The PC party was never afraid to face down a bully on this planet. I take great pride in telling this House that my caucus will not take a step backward from the bully who runs this government today.

We have seen time and time again the Prime Minister and his cabinet being guilty of abusing their powers of office. They have gone on witch hunts in the Airbus allegations. They cancel helicopter contracts only to purchase others, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars for their partisan views.

More recently we have seen the way they act by whipping their backbenchers to vote down the full compensation to the hepatitis C victims. We have seen them shuffle those within their own ranks for speaking up for Canadians, for speaking up for the very people who put us here. They spoke in the context of common sense and were then gagged for doing the right thing. The bullying arrogance of the government has become its greatest curse. Canadians are beginning to see the true colours of this government.

This motion does not ask the government to admit any wrongdoing. However, it does appeal to all in the House today to grant the commission its request to a level playing field. Let us give the students the funding they need to present their case. Let us all use our common sense and do the right thing. Let us allow the complaints commission to do its work in seeking the truth.

Supply October 20th, 1998

Madam Speaker, I listened to the comments of the member on the government side about fair process and a level playing field. I am having a real hard time with that, considering that we are talking about students and big government. It certainly is not a level playing field. Big government, once again, qualified for legal aid and the students, who have enormous debts, did not.

The member said that he has difficulties because we are not talking about problems in other countries such as China. Is he suggesting to the House that we should speak of these other things and not speak of our home country, and our own students who were affected by this debacle?

Programs For Young People October 8th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I feel privileged to be able to raise an issue that is particularly close to my heart.

The motion I am putting forward today reads as follows:

That, in the opinion of this House, the government should overhaul all its programs for young people in order to evaluate their impact and performance, and in order to ensure that all funds for such programs maximize young people's chances of joining the labour force.

In the coming minutes, I will explain my reasoning on the merits of this motion.

We all agree that the government is already paying out a significant amount of money in various programs for young people. According to government documents, the Youth Employment Strategy alone “makes effective use of investments of over $2 billion the Government of Canada has set up for young people”. That is quite a sum.

The Youth Employment Strategy combines 250 programs. Funding for these initiatives comes from some 12 departments, including Human Resources Development Canada, Industry Canada, Heritage Canada and a number of others.

Sometimes several departments share in the funding of a program. This can create an accountability problem. There can be a whole slew of programs, but they have to be effective, and the resources must not be wasted.

Since there is no central body controlling all these programs, they are not readily available to young people. There is a web site, but the government must make it much better known. A number of young people simply do not know about all these programs.

I want to assure all the members of this House that my motion does not arise from a preconceived idea that all the programs are bad and useless. Far from it. My aim is to ask the government to ensure that the money intended for young people is spent on effective and useful programs. Young people deserve it.

As parliamentarians, our duty is to insist on an accounting and to ensure that Canadian taxpayers' money is put to good use.

In order to focus today's debate, let us take the Canada student loans program as an example. I am sure all MPs are aware of this program, which affects nearly 60% of post-secondary students. The Canada student loan program, or CSLP, represents a huge investment by the government.

The Department of Human Resources Development estimates that the CSLP has given out loans of some $15 billion to over 2.7 million Canadians since its inception in 1964. Also according to the department, the average debt load in 1990 of a student in a four-year program was $8,700. In 1998, they expect the debt load to be some $25,000. In other words, student debt has grown by 187% in Canada in only eight years.

Can we talk of effective investment when so many Canadians are struggling under the weight of overpowering debt even before they start their career?

The government has taken a number of steps to try to ease young people's passage from their studies to the workplace. I am sure its intentions are good, but the results are sometimes dismal.

Let us take a look at the current youth employment situation. In August, youth unemployment was at 14.5%, almost double the Canadian rate. In my province of New Brunswick, youth unemployment is close to 25%. In 1996, 17.7% of welfare cases in Canada were single parents under the age of 24. These figures certainly suggest there is a problem.

Part of the problem is that, in recent years, the transition between school and work has been made more difficult by the limited job creation that had taken place since the 1990-91 recession. This has particular impact on those who do not have the training or skills currently in demand on the job market.

Young people in the high risk group, those who did not complete their secondary education, are particularly affected. There are simply no jobs for them. Most of the jobs available for low skilled workers before them have been made obsolete by technological innovation or have moved to a third world country where labour is cheap.

As for young people in the average risk groups, those with secondary education but no post-secondary education, they have seen their diploma lose much of its worth. More and more employers are looking for people with post-secondary education for positions that, less than one generation ago, would have gone to high school graduates.

And young people at low risk, those with post-secondary degrees, need something to help them make the transition to the labour force, to help them get their first job.

Traditionally, the unemployment rate among young people goes up when the economy is weak. However, what we are now seeing is that young people are not taking advantage of the benefits created when the situation improves. During the last economic recovery, the gap between the unemployment rate of young people and that of adult workers did not close as much as in earlier cycles.

Whether they are studying or not, young people are over-represented in atypical jobs, that is to say part time, temporary, fixed rate, piecework, or occasional jobs, most of which are low paying and require few skills.

If society turns a blind eye to the problem, it will have to pay increased costs because of the number of unemployed workers and welfare recipients, as well as the inevitable social problems in a polarized society.

Studies show that long periods of unemployment result in a loss of skills and permanently alter potential employers' opinions of young people. Unemployment therefore has an impact on the present and future contribution of young workers to society.

That is why it is so important to ensure that we supply all the winning conditions that will help young people join the labour force quickly.

It is also important not to focus exclusively on the government's role. Businesses have also produced good results in the fight to help young people find jobs.

In 1997, the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce published, with the Canadian Youth Foundation, studies and profiles of very successful programs. I invite members to take a look at these documents.

I want to quote a few excerpts from one of these publications, which I find particularly relevant to our discussion:

Big numbers encourage big responses, including massive government-let “wars” against the latest social scourge. Even in these times of fiscal restraint, the first response to a big number is still to throw some money at it.

When the youth employment crisis is seen in terms of people rather than statistics, the response changes.

Programs become humanized and flexible when it's understood that real people never fit into the categories of those oh-so-precise charts and graphs.

Programs also become more unassuming without the illusion that there is true path, one best solution for all young Canadians or for the nation. Together, these elements help make these people-centred programs particularly effective.

The government often announces with great fanfare its initiatives for young people. Just think of the millennium foundation announced in the last budget. In spite of a $2.5 billion budget, only 7% of Canadian students will benefit from millennium scholarships. Is this a really good investment? I doubt it, particularly when you consider that this government cut $17.3 billion from transfer payments for health and education.

Would the money not have been made better use of by the provinces, who have had to cut funding to colleges and universities, thus forcing them to raise tuition fees.

Without these cuts to the transfer payments, perhaps students would be less in debt and less in need of these millennium scholarships.

Members will have figured out that these are hypothetical questions I am asking. I have not done enough research to assess the impact of all these measures. That is why I moved the motion now before the House, moreover. If we do not have the means as individuals to assess the need for, and effectiveness of, over 250 government programs involving billions of dollars, it is absolutely necessary for someone to do this.

In conclusion, youth unemployment and underemployment rank foremost amongst the major social and economic questions facing Canadians as this century draws to a close.

I also realize that these matters cannot rest solely in the hands of governments. The private sector must also determine what it can contribute to solving these problems, and what approach it must take to give today's and tomorrow's young people the chance to play an active role in the Canada of today and tomorrow.

However, what we can do today is to urge the government to take the first step.

If the government absolutely wants to help improve the situation for our young people, then it will not mind reviewing the existing programs. Nor will it mind sharing the results of these reviews with members of parliament and the general public .

Lastly, the government will not hesitate to consult and involve all stakeholders, including young Canadians themselves, and to take advice from them.

Young Canadians are waiting for us to show some leadership. Let us not disappoint them.

Programs For Young People October 8th, 1998

moved:

That, in the opinion of the House, the government should overhaul all its programs for young people, in order to evaluate their impact and performance, and in order to ensure that all funds for such programs maximize young people's chances of joining the labour force.

Mr. Speaker, before I start I would like to seek the unanimous consent of the House to pass over to my colleague, the hon. member for St. John's West, the closing five minutes that I have available to me.

Apec Summit October 8th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, CBC this morning is reporting that New Brunswick Premier Camille Thériault had full knowledge of a correctional college to be built in New Brunswick, the same correctional college that the member for Palliser overheard the solicitor general discussing on a very public plane.

The member for Palliser could not make this up. In fact, he heard all too well the solicitor general breaking secrets in public. Will the solicitor general not do the honourable thing? Will he recognize his error in judgment? Will he resign?

Apec Summit October 7th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it is clear that the Solicitor General will not assume responsibility for his actions. If the Prime Minister allows the Solicitor General to retain his cabinet seat, he is sending the message that he accepts his minister discussing, in public, inquiries that are clearly confidential.

Will the Prime Minister protect the confidentiality and integrity of future inquiries? Will the Prime Minister show respect to this House by asking the Solicitor General to resign?

Apec Summit October 7th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, whether the Solicitor General's conversation was a private or public one is not the question. What is important is that the minister responsible for the RCMP has revealed details concerning an investigation that is under way to a citizen who is not a party to that investigation. This is unacceptable.

That conversation, coupled with his behaviour over the past two days, leaves him no choice whatsoever. Will the minister do the honourable thing and resign?

Senior Citizens Month June 11th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the month of June has been designated Senior Citizens Month.

Seniors have contributed, and continue to contribute, to our communities and our country. They deserve our admiration and respect.

Yet the present government persists in launching an unprecedented assault on our older citizens. Its Canada Pension Plan reforms will reduce what Canadians will receive, while increasing their contributions.

Recently, Bill C-36 would have meant lower Guaranteed Income Supplement payments for needy seniors. We are still waiting to see the strategy this same minister will come up with in his reworking of the senior benefit project.

As we begin Senior Citizens Month, I wish to assure the senior citizens of Canada that we will be proud to be their staunch defenders. We in the Progressive Conservative Party will look after their interests.

Employment June 10th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I really enjoyed the answer by the minister of human resources but I certainly do not see the previous minister there, the infamous Doug Young.

According to the figures of the Department of Human Resources Development, last summer New Brunswick received $5.6 million for a summer career placement program. This summer the province will receive some $300,000 less. Students across Canada are being affected by these cuts. Will the minister explain to the students of New Brunswick why they deserve less funding this summer?