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Crucial Fact

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Last in Parliament February 2019, as Liberal MP for Kings—Hants (Nova Scotia)

Won his last election, in 2015, with 71% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Division No. 354 March 23rd, 1999

Mr. Speaker, government has a leadership role to play in human resource management. Let me make it clear. I believe very strongly in the free market system but I also believe that unions play an important role within that free market system in defending the rights of workers.

Those people who understand the free market system and support it also must understand that without unions to defend the rights of workers it would take a large government department to defend workers. Unions have for a long time played this important role, a role government does not seem to recognize.

I support the rights of workers to organize democratically, to organize collectively and to strike peacefully. It is appalling that the private sector has actually over the last 20 years leapt far ahead of the government in terms of human resource management.

Companies like Chrysler Canada were among the first to appoint union representatives to their board of directors. Companies now, when they are looking at improving processes, improving products and developing better services, are sitting down with their executives and the unions to develop those products and services, to agree on labour standards, to work together to improve the companies and the services for the customer.

The only place where this is not occurring is with the Government of Canada. That is appalling because government should be ahead of the private sector in some of those human resource areas. Instead, the private sector has actually played a more responsible role in human resource management than the government.

The issues PSAC raised are very important. It is important to recognize that we are talking about blue collar workers, people not at the higher end of the wage scales. These are people who I understand have not received a raise in seven years.

One of the issues they raised, as my colleague mentioned earlier, is regional rates of pay. To pay people differently in Atlantic Canada, to pay people based on where they live, creates a ghettoization of our national public service, a ghettoization that is unacceptable. When we are talking of $11 to $12 per hour jobs, I understand that there is a $3 to $4 per hour gap, depending on the region a person lives in. That is a 30% gap depending on where one lives. I think that is unacceptable.

National corporations have reflected this in policy in recent years. They accept that they will pay people the same for the job and people will choose where they live based on their own selection, based on quality of life issues or standard of living issues. To ghettoize the public service geographically, in my opinion, is appalling shortsighted.

We have with our public service now one of the lowest levels of morale that has ever existed. In fact, I feel comfortable in saying that this government has achieved the lowest level of morale in the public service that has ever existed. There was a time when public servants felt good about their jobs, felt good about serving their fellow Canadians and about contributing to the growth and prosperity of our country. Now public servants feel absolutely besieged by a government that has stopped recognizing their worth and contribution to the future of our country.

It is absolutely critical that this issue be dealt with and be dealt with not by a knee-jerk reaction or the crisis management style that this government has chosen to deal with almost every major issue, but in terms of a long term, visionary strategy that addresses the entire issue of the public service from a long term perspective.

Instead of negotiating in good faith over a longer period of time and working with the public service—and based on the meetings I have had over the past several months, I have found that the public service is more than willing to negotiate and discuss long term strategy—the government has let this reach the boiling point. It has allowed it to evolve at a critical time to a point where essentially the interests of western Canadian grain farmers and the western Canadian region are pitted against the interests of blue collar public servants.

I know a lot of farmers. The farmers I know are very fair people. I would argue that no farmer would want his or her interests pitted against those interests of lower income public servants. I think it is appalling that the government has taken, for instance, the interests of western Canadian farmers, who are already facing the lowest commodity prices in generations and are in a very precarious position, and pitting their interests against the interests of low income public servants, trying to somehow use this divide and conquer mentality. It is a bit like how the Canadian electorate was divided and arguably conquered in the last election when this government was elected with 38% of the popular vote, a lower percentage of the popular vote than that which the government of the Right Hon. Joe Clark was elected with in 1979.

Obviously this government is not interested in fair labour practices. It is not interested in sitting down in the same way that corporations do and developing long term strategies with public servants to meet the needs of Canadians and to actually improve the public service. Instead this is a government that, for instance, with the Revenue Canada agency, is going gangbusters to split off 40% of the public service, as opposed to trying to address the holistic issues of the public service within the public service. This government is saying “Let's take a hands-off approach and get rid of the public service”.

This is not necessary. It is possible to work within the public service, as has been done in other countries and as has been proven by the private sector in working with labour to develop long term strategies to what are long term issues.

Every time we get into this kind of situation where we have a long term problem on the horizon, the government ignores it until it reaches a crisis point and then it creates a political solution to pit the interests of one group in crisis against another.

It is not responsible government. It is not responsible human resource management. It is the type of practice that embarrasses me as a parliamentarian to play a role in. It puts members in opposition in a very difficult position. In my opinion, the position of the government in allowing this to happen is an untenable position and an unconscionable position on this very important issue.

We would hope that the government would see the error of its ways and sit down with the public service. It should read the recent, excellent report of a committee co-chaired by Senators Stratton and Cools on the public service. It should develop a long term strategy to address the fundamental issues of the Canadian public service, perhaps as a millennium project. Instead of putting labels on these monumental projects that the government has developed for its own self-glorification, perhaps it should be working toward developing a new relationship with public servants across Canada for the new millennium. Maybe that would be the best millennium project this government could work on.

Division No. 359 March 23rd, 1999

Mr. Chairman, I move:

That a new clause 19.1 be added as follows:

“That no agreement shall contain any differential rate of pay based on geography after January 1, 2001, with the exception of allowances made for hardship postings”.

Division No. 358 March 23rd, 1999

I hear a Liberal member opposite ask “What about the farmers?” Perhaps he should have been standing up for the farmers when they needed help this past fall. The government sat on its hands during a time when there was a significant farm crisis and again waited until that crisis reached the boiling point before it even dealt with the issue.

Again the government is choosing to pit farmers against blue collar workers. It is absolutely unconscionable and unacceptable for parliamentarians to stand by and let this happen.

I am shocked tonight at how the government is treating blue collar workers. I am beyond being frustrated at how the government is treating parliament and I am ashamed to have played a role as a parliamentarian in this charade that the Liberals have created. It demeans parliament and it demeans the rights of workers in Canada.

I hope that with a little soul searching the Liberal members opposite will recognize, particularly those members on the back benches, that they too were manipulated tonight by a government with its power concentrated on a very small group of people. It not only has contempt for members on this side of the House, for the blue collar workers in PSAC, for the farmers against whom it pitted the interests of the blue collar workers, but it also has contempt for its own members on that side of the House.

Division No. 358 March 23rd, 1999

Mr. Speaker, tonight the government has achieved what some would consider previously to have been the impossible. It has united trade unionists with fervent believers in the free enterprise system in opposition to its inaction in creating this crisis tonight.

We just heard from a trade unionist describing his opposition to the government in its position on this issue which led to the crisis tonight. As someone who believes strongly in the free market, I recognize, as does our party, the importance of the trade unionist movement within the free market. Without the labour movement the free market cannot operate effectively.

This early morning debate on Bill C-76 is an example of what happens with a visionless, leaderless government. The direction that this government has refused to take has led to this crisis tonight. This is a government that only deals with issues once they have reached the boiling point. Only once the issues have reached a crisis will this government actually look seriously at addressing an issue. It will not deal with issues that appear on the horizon and take a long term approach to solving the problems. It waits until the crisis develops. It is 911 government and it is unacceptable.

For instance, we were told that there was a $9 million grain sale lost due to the government's inaction this week. Some information I have on the difference between the final offer that the government made and what the union had agreed to previously was about $8 million. This government spent $3.6 million on marketing the recent budget because the budget was not good enough to sell itself. It spent $500 million to cancel a helicopter contract.

This government has no sense of priorities, except the priorities of political expedience. This government is not interested in addressing the long term issues that affect Canadians, particularly going into a new millennium. The government is not focused on the long term future. It is solely focused on the next election.

To avoid these types of important issues affecting Canadians which lead to these kinds of crises is completely irresponsible. It is appalling for a government of Canada to behave in this manner.

Governments should play a leadership role in human resource management. Human resource management is evolving significantly and has evolved significantly over the past 20 years in the private sector. In fact, in Canada the private sector has leaped ahead of government in human resource and labour management. For instance, Chrysler Canada was one of the first companies in the auto industry to have unions represented on its board of directors. In companies today management is working with employees to create long term plans, to address issues, to develop better products and services for better prices for the consumers. In doing so they are creating better morale for their employees and better services ultimately.

The government, in its approach to labour management, is doing the exact opposite. It is bludgeoning the unions whenever it has the opportunity to do so. It is not interested in providing better services to Canadians. Frankly, it is shocking.

Government has a role to lead in labour management. If it will not lead, we would like to see the government follow the examples of some of the companies in the corporate sector that are actually doing the right thing. There are examples.

It is absolutely shameful what the government has done tonight. First the government let this crisis develop without taking any responsibility. Tonight when it had the information that there was a tentative agreement, it withheld that information until after a vote, denying it to members on both sides of the House. Members on that side of the House should be as upset as members on this side of the House. There has been a breach of the privilege of all members. Information about an agreement that had been reached was not provided to members. The government manipulated parliament tonight. It demonstrated a contempt for parliament. I was elected in June of 1997 and I have not seen this type of contempt. I think members who have been here longer are absolutely appalled that the government has behaved in this manner.

It is not surprising that the government is acting in this way. We have seen this government act irresponsibly and in contempt of this parliament on a number of issues. In fact, there has been a decline in the role of the private member that has been precipitated since this government was first elected.

I am going to speak to one of the issues concerning this labour dispute. It is the issue of regional rates of pay. Our party believes very strongly that it is fundamentally unfair that the government will pay people differently based on the regions in which they live in the country. It is hypocritical. All members of this House receive the same level of pay. It creates a ghettoization of the public service. It is not consistent with the type of labour-management practices in which the Government Of Canada should be leading.

Now that the government has allowed this dispute to boil into a crisis, the government has chosen to pit the interests of one group against another. That is typical of this government. The interests of the grain farmers and people involved in the grain industry in the west are being pitted against the interests of blue collar public sector employees.

There are a lot of agricultural interests in the Annapolis Valley, which is in my riding. One of the things I have always noted about farmers is that they are very fair people. I do not believe that any farmer in the west would feel comfortable with the fact that his or her interests were being pitted against those employed in the public sector as blue collar workers. It is absolutely shocking this divide and conquer attitude that the government is willing to take in pitting farmers against blue collar workers in the public service.

Tonight, after having withheld the information to this House of the fact that a tentative agreement had been reached, the government proceeded with the back to work legislation that should be used as a last resort when all other avenues have been exhausted.

In my opinion, it is a violation of good faith to use this back to work legislation as a sledgehammer to bludgeon labour to create some sort of advantage. It is not consistent with good faith negotiations. The government has hit an all-time low in labour relations. It is continuing to drive morale in our public service lower than it has ever been.

For any member of this House who has read the recent report from the Senate on the public sector, co-chaired by Senator Stratton and Senator Cools, they will know that our public sector in Canada is at a critically low point in its history.

There was a time when there was pride in participation or service to one's country through the public sector. This government has systematically worked to erode the confidence that our public sector employees have in their own government and in their service to the public. It is absolutely inappropriate.

Tonight the government has not only demonstrated contempt for parliament, it has demonstrated complete contempt for the collective bargaining process and contempt for the public service.

The government has refused to table the tentative agreement. Members of parliament do not have the ability tonight to study this agreement, to deal with it logically and to use that knowledge to help base a decision on the proceedings. The government has manipulated the opposition parties by withholding information. It has been a travesty of democracy. There has been no respect for parliament or labour.

The government deserves to be noted as having completely enshrined its role as the patron saint of hypocrisy. The Prime Minister claims that he cannot remember why he was marching with PSAC a few years ago. Perhaps he also cannot remember why he claimed that he was going to rip up the GST and the free trade agreement.

This government is not interested in consistency in policy. The Liberal Party opposite is not interested in doing the right thing or actually having any consistency on important issues facing Canadians. It is interested in one thing and that is winning elections at all costs, even if the casualties are Canadians, even if they are blue collar Canadians, even if the casualty is democracy and the sanctity of this House. All it is interested in is power at all costs.

The actual agreement is jeopardized by the government holding a gun to the union's head at this point. The government is actually still trying to tell the House that in some way it is negotiating in good faith. We do not buy that over here. The government is negotiating in bad faith.

I heard one person from the Reform Party say earlier that they felt they had been sucked in and manipulated by the government. There are members here who would have voted differently had they had the information.

I am pleased that our party did not support the closure motion.

Productivity March 18th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, there is a major split within cabinet.

The Minister of Industry said that Canada has the lowest productivity level among G-7 countries. However, the Minister of Finance stated that it is not a problem.

Is the government trying to confuse Canadians in order to hide the facts regarding the decline of our standard of living?

Income Tax Amendments Act, 1998 March 18th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I guess the parliamentary secretary decided not to read the costing at the back of our budget plan “Unlocking Canada's Potential”. Over three years we would have liked to have provided Canadians with $18 billion of tax savings. In the first year we would be looking at about $8 billion.

The hon. member is using Liberal math in this regard. That is typical of a member and a government that utilize Liberal focus group economics. I would gladly send the hon. member a calculator and a copy of “Unlocking Canada's Potential”. In the future for the next budget I suggest that he and his government take our plan very seriously because we want to unlock Canada's future for the 21st century. I hope his party starts sharing that value.

Income Tax Amendments Act, 1998 March 18th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I made some notes during the hon. member's question. I am glad he asked me to explain why personal disposable income has dropped in Canada. Despite his assertions to the contrary, Canadians pay more taxes now than they did in 1993. They pay a higher percentage individually of their paycheques to taxes. Due to the fact that the government has not even addressed the issue of bracket creep, two million low income Canadians are paying taxes now that would not have been paying taxes otherwise.

I am glad the member mentioned the unemployment rate. He is quite right that recently the unemployment rate has decreased. Anyone who knows anything about economics recognizes that it takes approximately five years at a minimum for economic policies to have the impact of reducing unemployment. He is quite right in acknowledging that the policies of the previous government were successful after having been implemented and with the passage of time in achieving a declining unemployment rate. Policies like free trade are largely responsible for the type of economic growth enjoyed by Canada at this juncture.

I do not want to remind the hon. member again where his party stood on issues like free trade and the GST, but they stood against the types of policies that have resulted in the growth they are now boasting about.

Income Tax Amendments Act, 1998 March 18th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for his insightful and erudite intervention.

The fact is that the previous government, the Progressive Conservative government, reduced the deficit as a percentage of GDP from 9% when it took office to a little over 5% when it left office. The PC government of Brian Mulroney inherited a $38 billion deficit in 1984. The Liberals know a lot about deficit and debt because they built debts and deficits from the late sixties and the seventies.

The types of visionary policies that were implemented by the previous government resulted in this government's ability to reduce the deficit. Many members opposite are the same members who railed against the GST and against free trade. They then embraced those policies because they recognized that those policies would make a difference and that those were policies Canada needed at a very important time. Once they were elected they recognized those were the right policies.

Back in 1974 Trudeau threatened and scare mongered Canadians by saying that wage and price controls would be a bad thing. After the election he implemented Bob Stanfield's idea of wage and price controls. Oil was 18 cents a gallon.

Some parties are talking about corporate reimaging and new names. The Liberal Party of Canada should be called the flip-flop party of Canada because that party will stand for anything to get elected and, once elected, stand on any Canadian to implement its agenda of high taxes and cuts to areas that are important to Canadians like health care.

Income Tax Amendments Act, 1998 March 18th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, it is always with great pleasure that I listen to my hon. colleague from the New Democratic Party, the member for Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys. We never know quite what we will hear about.

The last time the member spoke on the budget, he was talking about sex with bears. Today he was talking about multi-armed Hindu goddesses. He is certainly a Renaissance member of parliament who can describe things in ways which certainly can connect not just with other members of parliament but with Canadians, and probably with bears.

The hon. member described the government as a multi-armed Hindu goddess. There is another kind of Hindu goddess, a multi-breasted Hindu goddess. Sometimes the multi-armed Hindu goddess looks at the taxpayer as a multi-breasted Hindu goddess. She seeks with those arms to attach her hands to the collective teat of the Canadian taxpayer. Her grip is so fervent and so ferocious that ultimately the taxpayer and Canadians suffer.

It is important to keep abreast of tax issues both in the House of Commons and with all Canadians. Tax issues are fundamentally important.

Bill C-72, which implements some of the budget's proposed changes to the tax act further complicates an already far too complicated tax code. I think all members of the House agree that the tax code is too complicated.

My colleague from the New Democratic Party was speaking of the complicated tax code. One of the Liberal members suggested that he hire a tax lawyer. It should not be necessary for a Canadian to hire a tax lawyer to deal with his or her own government, to effectively represent themselves.

Over the past 20 years the tax code has become increasingly complicated, increasingly Byzantine, to the extent now that in every budget Canadians can expect the tax code to become further complicated, more difficult to understand and to increase the need for Canadians to hire tax accountants just to read some of the books the hon. member from the New Democratic Party described. There are also clinics for people to learn how to, not evade taxes because that is illegal, but to avoid taxes or pay less taxes. Canadians, in some cases, are investing abroad in places like the Cayman Islands or looking for tax shelters in other jurisdictions.

All Canadians would benefit not just from reduced levels of taxation and more broadly based tax reduction but from a simplified tax code. This is an area that I would argue is tied in directly with productivity. One of the barriers to success, to entry for entrepreneurs and to entry to the free market is a complicated tax code. Currently the tax code is a barrier.

We need to ensure, relative to other jurisdictions, that Canadians are not paying disproportionately more because they are Canadians. Currently they are. The Mintz report on taxation, which was presented to the House of Commons finance committee I believe in early June, gave some very concrete examples of the discrepancies between Canadian business taxes and the U.S. business tax system, both in terms that we are paying more and in terms of some fundamental differences in the tax code that should be addressed so as not to disadvantage Canadian businesses and therefore Canadians.

The government speaks of the fundamentals of the Canadian economy and says the fundamentals are strong. I remind members and Canadians of what those fundamentals are. We have seen personal disposable income drop 9% in recent years. In the same period we have seen U.S. personal disposable income increase by 11%. We have the lowest productivity growth of any G-7 country. We have record high rates of personal bankruptcy.

We have a negative savings rate. Canadians are in fact going behind a bit every year. They are not saving but falling behind. They are digging into their pockets and into their savings in order to make ends meet and stay ahead of the game.

There have been some enhancements which are laudable to RESP flexibility for people to transfer funds to RESPs. Those types of changes do not benefit Canadians if they cannot afford to contribute to an RRSP in the first place. It is a difficult challenge to invest in RRSPs. I know mutual fund sales are off conservatively this year. I expect when the numbers are tabled we will see that RRSP contributions are also down this year.

The unused portions of RRSPs is mammoth in Canada. Canadians have not been able to exercise their RRSP contributions to the full extent. Why? They are paying too much taxes.

In 1993 the total federal tax take of the government was, I believe, $112 billion. This had risen to $150 billion by last year. This growth of approximately 25% in federal taxes has come directly from the pockets of Canadians at a time when they have seen federal spending on health care decline dramatically by $16 billion in round figures, although some say it is as high as $18 billion. They also see that the provinces have received less in transfers from the federal government.

There is one taxpayer and that taxpayer has borne the brunt of deficit reduction over the last several years. They deserve, at this time, an opportunity to reap some of the rewards for those sacrifices they have made.

It is no good for the government to be in the black if individual taxpayers are in the red. That is currently the case. We have the highest rate ever of personal bankruptcies. We have the highest rates of personal debt ever. This is a frightening statistic if we consider the impact for instance of global deflation trends which some say are threatening.

Wealth is a relative concept. It is not really a singular criterion. One's wealth or a country's wealth is a comparative figure. We compare the wealth of a country and the wealth of individuals in that country to the wealth of individuals in other countries. We are at a time when we are telling Canadians they have to invest more to save for their retirement, they have to protect their own retirement funds because the CPP is rather dubious in terms of its ability to provide the kinds of retirement incomes Canadians will need in the future.

We are telling Canadians to invest more and to take greater responsibility for their own retirements. At the same time we are forcing Canadians to invest 80% of their RRSP investments within Canada. This is perverse. The Dow Jones, which recently cracked the 10,000 mark, has performed extraordinarily well in recent years. Since 1993, when this government was elected, the Dow Jones has increased by 172%. The Standard and Poor's, S & P, is up by 180%, both U.S. markets of course.

The TSE is up only 60% since 1993. That may seem like a lot but in a relative sense it is not. Our domestic equities markets are grossly underperforming equities markets in the U.S. and elsewhere. Canadians in a relative sense have become poorer. This perverse policy of forcing Canadians to invest in one jurisdiction or another and denying them the opportunity to achieve geographic diversification is wrong.

At the same time we have seen the Canadian dollar decline by 16% relative to the U.S. dollar. Not only are the government's policies of reduced productivity, high taxes and disincentives for success denying Canadians growth in their own economy but its policy on RRSPs is actually denying Canadians growth for their retirement incomes anywhere. This is perversely wrong. If the government cannot get its act straight in terms of running this economy to benefit Canadians, it should not force Canadians to invest where they will not be able to maximize their returns where there are opportunities and where there are governments elsewhere that are doing a better job of creating opportunities.

The recent KPMG study commissioned by the government to study the cost of doing business in Canada has been lauded by the government and used as a tool to demonstrate its somehow good economic management of the country. The KPMG study effectively said that Canada is a cheap place to do business, that we have low real estate costs, that our labour costs in a relative sense are less. It said that basically doing business in Canada would cost less than doing business in some other jurisdictions.

If our economy were clicking on all cylinders, as the Minister of Finance has asserted in the House in recent weeks, the price of doing business in Canada would be quite a bit higher. With economic growth come economic cost increases and upward pressures. The reason the cost factors are not growing significantly in Canada is that we have not had the sustained economic growth that has been enjoyed by other jurisdictions.

The KPMG study points to a fundamental flaw of this government's policies and to the fact that we are not achieving that level of economic growth Canadians would be capable of achieving if the government were to make a significant step toward providing broad based tax relief to Canadians and toward providing Canadians with an opportunity to succeed in their own country.

The reason why young Canadians seeking greater opportunities are leaving Canada and going to the U.S. is that while they may recognize there may be greater costs, there are greater opportunities. They are willing to make that choice. Perhaps members opposite should stand along the borders, waving the KPMG report in the faces of Canadians as they leave and say please do not go, it is cheaper here.

This is like the Kmart or Zellers or Wal-Mart approach to economic development. We cannot get better in this country by devaluing our way to prosperity. During the summer when our dollar was hitting record lows the Prime Minister said it was good for tourism. The logical corollary of his argument was that if we reduced our dollar to zero we could give away all our goods and become the greatest exporting nation in the world. This is insane. We cannot devalue our way to prosperity. We need to significantly invest in Canadian productivity initiatives to ensure that Canadians have an opportunity to participate in the economic growth and are not inhibited by government policies that hold them back.

The government did not address some of those fundamental issues I described. It is looking at different fundamentals than the ones I see. When the government says fundamentals of the economy are strong it reminds me of what expatriate Canadian economist John Kenneth Galbraith said, to beware of governments that say the fundamentals are strong. Galbraith had a point. Usually when governments say the fundamentals are strong they are trying to hide something.

It is like a government where the industry minister says the productivity is very bad in Canada and we have to do something about it. In the same speech the industry minister says Canadians are paying 20% higher taxes than in the U.S. Then the finance minister says that is not so bad. Productivity is not bad. Canadians are not concerned about their standard of living. Perhaps this is an intentional effort by the government to create confusion, to try to distract Canadians from the real issues.

Canadians are concerned. Canadians are increasingly concerned about productivity. Canadians are increasingly concerned about their standard of living. That the dollar hit record lows this summer is directly correlated to the fact that our productivity growth has continued to underperform that of our trading partners. The dollar is linked very closely to productivity. There has be a secular decline in the dollar over the past 30 years. We need to do something now to avert further currency crises in this country. The best way to approach that is through productivity. The best way to approach productivity is through addressing some of the impediments to productivity, the structural impediments we have in the Canadian economy. Those include the highest income taxes of the G-7 countries.

There are structural impediments like interprovincial trade barriers which deny Canadians the ability to gain a competitive or comparative advantage within their country, a regulatory burden like a toll highway which is an interprovincial barrier in New Brunswick. The hon. member for Cumberland—Colchester has raised this point in the House. His interventions have taken a toll on this government.

There are issues of regulation. We have suggested as part of our prebudget submission that the government have a regulatory budget whereby regulations are costed. We take into account several costs, not just the cost to the government of introducing and enforcing a regulation but the cost to society, the cost to Canadians for complying with those regulations. Then those costs are compared, particularly the cost of compliance which is egregiously high for Canadians, to the actual dollar value of the benefit of that regulation.

Having a regulatory budget and choosing some departments each year to be scrutinized in this way would force governments to make the same types of decisions with Canadians' money that they make with their own in a fiscal budget. That would be one step in addressing the regulatory burden we have which by all accounts is excessive and does inhibit productivity and growth.

The government has no core industrial strategy. It has no agenda on an area as important as industrial strategy at a time when we are entering the 21st century. It is at a time when change is occurring at an ever increasingly rapid pace. It is at a time when we need government to take significant action on a number of fronts and provide meaningful visionary leadership on a number of issues, including tax reform. This government is on cruise control. It is a caretaker government.

I said in the House before that we had a budget surplus and a leadership deficit. I think in fact that is the case. It is a perilous time for Canada to suffer from this leadership deficit.

At this time we need governments to make strong decisions. We need the types of policies the previous government engaged in, for instance, policies like free trade, policies like the elimination of the manufacturers sales tax, and policies like deregulation of financial services, transportation and industry. Those were the types of visionary policies that were necessary then and were brought into being by a legislatively active government, not a government that would even consider proroguing halfway through its term because it did not have anything to do.

In fact since that time the challenges have become greater for Canadians. Since that time it has become even more important that we have governments taking strong steps and doing the right sorts of things.

The Economist magazine in its January edition last year indicated that the elimination of the deficit in Canada was largely due to structural changes made to the Canadian economy by the previous government. Those were the types of visionary changes I just described, whether it is free trade or elimination of the manufacturers sales tax. Unfortunately these types of policies are not forthcoming.

The government has seen fit to continue its huge tax grab on the EI fund, taking $19 billion from workers and employers. At the same time it is slashing benefits and punishing seasonal employment. The government does not consider the law of unintended consequences when it implements policies. It looked at seasonal workers and said that it would cut benefits to them. Many seasonal workers are not working at all now and are living on provincial social assistance.

It took people who were contributing, who were working, and denied them any opportunity to participate at all. Farms in the Annapolis Valley in Nova Scotia cannot find seasonal workers now because if they do seasonal work they will lose their benefits. Direct disincentives have been created for people to do what they want to do, to go out and work. The government did not replace it with a co-ordination effort to provide Canadians who were employed in seasonal work with an opportunity to work in various industry sectors.

There are serious issues. There are serious problems. A further complicated tax code is not the answer. I have not had one constituent ask me to complicate the tax code. Broad based tax relief is part of the answer as well as an industrial strategy which will make Canada a richer country, not a poorer country, in the 21st century.

Budget Implementation Act, 1999 March 17th, 1999

Mr. Speaker, I listened with great interest to the comments of my colleague from Kamloops on the budget implementation act.

We have considerable concerns, and I think all members of the House do, for the future of young Canadians. The task before us is to prepare policies that will create a more prosperous future for young Canadians.

I am greatly concerned about the loss of so many young Canadians to the U.S. We have seen an unprecedented level of brain drain over the last several years. We have lost talented young Canadians to the U.S. Every sign is that that will increase unless we address some fundamental policies, part of which is tax policies.

One hon. member referred to the birthday of her father today. Today is the birthday of my nephew Seth who is three years old. I think of young Canadians like Seth and how they will prosper in the future. We have to work very hard to ensure that the policies we create are sound, not just in terms of what is good for today, but what is good for the future.

This government seems to be very intent on providing labels for its budgets. The label for last year's budget I believe was the education budget. All members in the House recognized student indebtedness as being a huge issue. Student debts grew by 100% from 1993 to last year, from an average of $12,000 to about $25,000 last year. In the year after the education budget which was to address the issue of student debt, over 12,000 Canadian graduates declared bankruptcy.

I am a parliamentarian who is very concerned about the future of health care. If last year's budget was the education budget and the result a year after its implementation was 12,000 graduates declaring bankruptcy, I would appreciate the hon. member's insight on what he predicts to be the effect of this year's health care budget on Canadians and on our beleaguered health care system. The health care system has been absolutely devastated and decimated by the Draconian slash and cut approach of the Liberal government.

What does the hon. member expect to be the effect over the next 12 months when Canadians need a stronger health care system? Can they expect a significant improvement based on this government's reinvestment? He mentioned that in five years the federal government will have only reached the 1995 level of federal government investment in health care. Yet the government spent $3.6 million of Canadian taxpayers' money to tell them this was a great budget for health care. Does the hon. member feel that perhaps that money should have been spent on health care as opposed to telling Canadians about this health care reinvestment which by and large is smoke and mirrors?