Evidence of meeting #7 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was letter.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

And that is from the justice department, the RCMP, the German justice system; it's all a conspiracy—

12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

And the German prosecutors in Augsburg, yes, they initiated the whole thing. If you had read the record of the case, which I wrote, you would know all this.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Is the public inquiry you are asking for about Airbus, or is it about how you've been treated in your extradition process?

12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I'm interested in an inquiry to clean up the whole mess around me, including the mess with the letter of request to Switzerland and how the Canadian justice department IAG initiated it in Germany in May 1995.

So it's the whole action against me.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

So it's about your extradition. That's your message.

12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Thank you.

I'll share my time with Mr. Del Mastro.

December 6th, 2007 / 12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Thank you very much.

Mr. Schreiber, I asked you a number of questions the other day. I just want to start, actually, with a quote, and then I'm going to go into my questions. This is dated November 15, 2007, from the Canadian Press, Edward Greenspan--I think you know him. He said, “Everything we have to do, we have to do.” That's an interesting quote.

I asked you the other day, regarding the Airbus purchase, if that was made because it was a good choice for money, if it was a smart purchase, if it was a decision that was made prudently. You responded that it was. The option was, from my understanding, a Boeing 727 jet that was inferior in every way--more fuel, noisier, didn't have the advanced technology in the cockpit. The Airbus was a better plane, and that's why they bought it. That's my understanding. I did some looking into that.

Mr. Martin was asking you to speculate the other day. I didn't like it, and you'll recall that I objected to it, because you can't possibly know. You don't know what I do with my money, and I don't expect to know what other people do with their money either. But he wanted you to answer the question. He asked, “If you can, Mr. Schreiber, would you have any idea who else would have benefited from the distribution of these commissions?”

You said, “Since the money was money from GCI, it's very obvious that the shareholders were entitled, whoever they were, to participate in the money...” and that they have everything. It was very clear.

“Public office-holders?”, asked Mr. Martin.

You said, “I'm speaking about the shareholders, what I know about what GCI did with the money.”

That's interesting.

Now, you allege that back in the late 1990s you were confronted and asked to get GCI money directed to Mr. Mulroney, correct?

12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Who owned GCI at the time?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

The same shareholders.

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Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

No. Isn't it true that Pierre Bourque Sr. owned GCI, beginning in 1993? Isn't that true?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I have no idea. At the time when I--

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Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Isn't it true that Mr. Pierre Bourque Sr. is a Liberal? You didn't know that?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

When I spoke with him, for sure Mr. Moores was the main shareholder of the company and he was the one who handled all the cases over in Switzerland.

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Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

So the fact that Mr. Moores was no longer in that position at the time that you're alleging you were asked to get GCI to transfer money to Mr. Mulroney.... Don't you think that's important, that Mr. Moores was involved?

12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

May I remind you that I said it was either in 1992 or 1993. I cannot tell you today whether it was 1993 or 1992.

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Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Funny, your memory all of a sudden seems to be failing you.

Today I think his memory has been outstanding, Mr. Chair--numbers, dates, places.

But you get cornered on something and suddenly your memory is not good. What year was it? I don't know. Goodness.

12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I said quite a while ago that this was the case. Look at the transcript.

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Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Okay.

It's just funny that in the names you mention, Pierre Bourque Sr. isn't among them, and he was the gentleman who owned it.

12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I don't know about him.

Look, when I remind you of Mr. Mulroney's book, you don't see my name, you don't see Gary Ouellet, you don't see Walter Wolf. So what can we say about that?

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Okay.

I just wanted to go back to something Mr. Wallace asked you. You've signed your name to all the letters that you sent to Mr. Harper, that you sent to Mr. Mulroney.

Are you suggesting that sometimes you sign your name to things that aren't true?

12:20 p.m.

As an Individual

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Are you suggesting that you will sign your name to things that aren't true?

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As an Individual