Evidence of meeting #7 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was letter.
A recording is available from Parliament.
December 6th, 2007 / 12:10 p.m.
Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I have a few questions for you. I have some time and I'll be sharing with Dean Del Mastro.
Just so I'm clear, I have two lines of questions. First, I'm clear; I read the documents you provided for me. It's interesting reading. In fact, what is actually important comes up less than an inch thick.
I want to go back. We have a letter from May 8. You make some accusations that you'll disclose some stuff, and then we go back to that July 20, 2006, letter, in which most of the first page and the whole second page....
It says:
The discussion and financial arrangements between you and me about future industrial projects have been correct, private and nobody's business. You were the best advocate I could have retained.
It is far too long since we had lunch together.
It's a very positive letter. Your signature is on the bottom of that, sir. Do you agree with what you wrote in that letter?
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As an Individual
I apologize. Don't you get it? I got a draft from Mr. MacKay that Mr. Mulroney wanted this letter, so I gave it to him.
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
That's not my question, sir. Are you lying in this letter, or do you agree with what you wrote in this letter?
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Conservative
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As an Individual
I don't care what's in the letter. Sure, it's not my letter; it is his letter.
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
Okay. I'll go to my next line of questioning.
Then I looked at what you sent to current Prime Minister Harper. Of the 15 letters you sent him, 11 were cover letters that said, here are attached other letters, which you were sending to other people. They were just cover letters providing information.
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
One was about Afghanistan and the issue of our brave men and women being killed in LAVs, and three letters were asking him to intervene or were about having ministers you were talking to intervene in your extradition.
My question to you is on the extradition piece. The extradition started when the Liberals were in government. Is that not correct?
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
Right. So you sent a letter to the Prime Minister on June 16, 2006, with a long list of Liberals you think were involved in making sure you had to leave the country to face the charges you are facing in Germany.
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
You're asking us—you're asking him, I guess—to get involved.
Why do you think the Conservative Party, once we took office, would interfere in an extradition process that had already been started, that was in front of the courts, and that you were suing for? What gave you that impression? Why would government get involved and try to interfere in that case?
12:15 p.m.
As an Individual
It's very simple. Look at the speech from Prime Minister Harper, I think it was November 2005 in Quebec, when he said that only the Conservative government could clean up the mess the Liberals had made for 12 years, blah, blah, blah, and wanted a public prosecutor.
Now you tell me I was not right in thinking he would do that and clean up the mess around me?
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
We agree. We think people who are accused of wrongdoing should face their accusers. So my question to you, sir, is this. Two meetings ago I think you indicated that you were a judge in Germany. Is that correct?
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Conservative
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
Then why have you not gone back to face your accusers if you're innocent?
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As an Individual
I would not get a day in court. I recommend you go to the computer and look at human rights violations in Germany. Then you'll get a better understanding. My case is political in Germany too. It has nothing to do with the charges. The charges don't even exist in reality anymore.
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
If you have been part of the system, understand the system, and believe in the system and that innocent people will be found not guilty, why would you not, instead of wasting taxpayers' money on appeal after appeal, go back and face your accusers, be relieved of those potential penalties, and come back and retire here in Canada? I still don't understand why, if you're innocent, you are fighting it.
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As an Individual
Well, wait and see. We have a good chance in Canada to do the same thing the Germans do with their nationals: get my case into a Canadian court, try me here, prosecute me here. I would love to do this tomorrow, and every Canadian would know how the Canadians have been set up and how they had a conspiracy with the Germans. I would love it. Perhaps you could help me on that.
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Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
This is a conspiracy against you, then. Is that what you're saying?
