Evidence of meeting #8 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.
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11:50 a.m.
Bloc
11:50 a.m.
As an Individual
No. His brother had an office there, and I don't even know whether we were in the boardroom or what, but I know for a fact that it was at GCI. I know it because after the meeting I went immediately to Mr. Moores.
11:55 a.m.
Bloc
11:55 a.m.
Bloc
Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
How did he ask you that? It seems to me you don't suddenly show up and say that, incidentally, you'd like to have money put in the account of Mr. Mulroney's lawyer. There must have been some kind of introduction.
11:55 a.m.
As an Individual
Ma'am, I'll try to make it again clear. It was that I should convince Mr. Moores. He would decide how much money should go. I could not take money from the GCI account without the proper instruction from Mr. Moores. That was our problem.
11:55 a.m.
Bloc
Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
Why did he ask you that? Normally, Fred Doucet should have gone to see his brother, who worked at GCI, and to ask him that.
Why go through you?
11:55 a.m.
As an Individual
Well, number one is that I am not sure whether Mr. Doucet was a shareholder under his brother, or only Mr. Gerry Doucet was the shareholder.
Second, I've told you now several times that there was a constant fight and he wanted me to fix the problem. He fought with Moores about the funds all the time.
Ma'am, this is not so uncommon in business that people fight constantly about their share.
11:55 a.m.
Bloc
Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
Help me understand.
You're at GCI. There's Fred Doucet, who doesn't work there, who has become a lobbyist and who is Mr. Mulroney's former chief of staff. So he comes to see you in his brother's offic, and, instead of asking his brother to ask Frank Moores, the President of GCI, he asks you, a stranger to GCI.
Unless it was you who decided what went on at GCI? Or else was it you who gave GCI the money?
11:55 a.m.
As an Individual
Ma'am, I transferred the money to GCI, and as to how often Fred may have spoken to his brother, my recommendation is to ask both of them.
11:55 a.m.
Bloc
11:55 a.m.
As an Individual
Look, this is twenty years ago, and this is money from MBB, Airbus, and Thyssen. How do I know how much I transferred to GCI, how much I was asked to send somewhere else, how much I brought in cash to Canada--how do I know?
I mean, I am close to Einstein, but I don't know that.
11:55 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo
Mr. Schreiber, the question was not to the penny, but I think the member wants to know the relative magnitude. Is it $1 million, $5 million, $10 million, $20 million? You must have some recollection of the magnitude.
11:55 a.m.
As an Individual
To GCI? I would say not less than $5 million, but this is in the bookkeeping probably from GCI, or at least it is in the accounts, and you may have a look at The Fifth Estate and they may show you the Frankfurt account.
But I never took any accounts from them. And you may laugh about me--I am perhaps a strange bird. I am not that nosy and I don't care. I did what they wanted me to do and that's it. And by the way, I had other things to do, too.
11:55 a.m.
Bloc
Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
I'd prefer you to answer rather than to go and ask those kinds of questions. In any case, we know that, it's on their Web site, which incidentally is very well done.
I want to understand. Let's take Airbus, for example. You had a contract with Airbus. If we break down the amounts you were to receive, that represents roughly $20 million.
Was the amount related to Airbus deposited to one of your accounts in full all at the same time, or in a number of instalments at a number of times or in a number of accounts? How was the $20 million paid to Airbus?
Noon
As an Individual
Ma'am, I heard quite often about the $20 million. I never calculated it, whether you believe it or not. But it was installments over the years and it depended, as far as I recall, on the delivery time of each aircraft. So this went on over years.
Noon
Bloc
Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
Unless I'm mistaken, the Airbus money was paid to one of your accounts. Then you distributed it, didn't you?
Noon
As an Individual
Yes, yes--no, it went first to the IAL account. Most of the time IAL transferred the money, until Mr. Pelossi stole the money, then we had to direct their line.
Noon
Bloc
Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
However, you said the other time that Mr. Pelossi had just stolen $1 million from you. That's what you said.
Going back to the Airbus money, it arrived in your IAL account. Then it was you who were responsible for distributing it, and you paid approximately $5 million to GCI.
Noon
As an Individual
No, the business was done between the companies and GCI. I was not the one who could deliver a contract.
Noon
Bloc
Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC
No, but you paid $5 million to GCI. It was you who said so.