Evidence of meeting #10 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was weapons.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell  Former Prime Minister of Canada, Middle Powers Initiative
Thomas Graham  Ambassador and Chairman, Bipartisan Security Group, Middle Powers Initiative
Jonathan Granoff  President, Global Security Institute, Middle Powers Initiative
Douglas Roche  Chairman, Middle Powers Initiative
Robert Miller  Executive Director, Parliamentary Centre
Joseph Kira  Program Director, Canada, Parliamentary Centre

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you.

The bells are ringing, but I have a question. Part of your presentation fascinates me, and I'm going to read up a little more on it.

It's the area where you talk about the three pillars of state-building. You say the focus on state-building is the central objective: “State-building rests on three pillars: the capacity of state structures to perform core functions....” That's the first pillar of state-building; you talk about infrastructure, about health care, perhaps about judiciary, security, all those things. When you look at Haiti, they're failing in all those areas.

The second pillar is their “legitimacy and accountability”. Today we've learned that the deputies, or the members, really don't have a full comprehension of what their responsibilities could be, and perhaps this is why we can twin; perhaps this is why we can become involved. It sounds as if the second pillar is very wobbly. If there's any accountability or any legitimacy it's highly in question.

The third one is the ability to provide “an enabling environment for strong economic performance”. Well, really I don't see any pillars standing in Haiti. Where would the majority of your resources go, if you were going to build or were working on one of those pillars first? To which one pillar would the resources of CIDA or of the parliamentary group you are part of go? Also, you say here that the “Parliamentary Centre's project must, as I indicated earlier in my presentation, quickly demonstrate its ability, insofar as possible....” Well, we have really no pillars standing. You say it has to quickly demonstrate this “to meet the immediate, urgent needs of its Haitian partner. I say insofar as possible because, as the executing agency, there are certain limitations that must be respected, and we must give account to the Canadian International Development Agency.”

What are those certain limitations that must be respected if you're going to be accountable to CIDA?

5:30 p.m.

Executive Director, Parliamentary Centre

Robert Miller

There are all sorts of financial regulations in the way money is dispensed and in the way we operate on the ground. When we talk about immediate things, we're talking about things that are very practical requirements. For example, it would be impossible in the parliament buildings of Haiti today to have a meeting anything like this. For people to come together and be able to conduct business simply isn't physically possible. We expect that we along with other donors are going to find ways to provide assistance in that area.

To your first question, I would say the two priorities that stand out in countries like that are security and poverty. Those are areas that something has to be done about rather quickly, bringing some degree of law and order into a situation that is chaotic, and secondly, addressing the needs of the most desperately poor people in this society, because they in turn feed into the insecurity. In order to have parliament focus its attention, to the extent that we can influence that process these would be areas where we would hope to encourage a parliamentary focus.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you very much.

5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Francine Lalonde Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

I only wish to add that Prime Minister Préval has made an excellent speech. It should be circulated to the Committee.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you so much for coming. We appreciate it. We appreciate the document.

We're adjourned.