Evidence of meeting #4 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was process.

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MPs speaking

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Gwyn Morgan  As an Individual

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

We decide.

Sir, I understand what you're trying to do, and I am trying to move this along so that we can vacate the room for the next committee. Whether you like it or not, the course of events will follow--

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB

I am trying to make a very serious point about a lynching of Canada's leading business leader in this committee that will cause people of serious public credibility to question seeking positions of public responsibility in the future. This is a serious matter, Madam Chair.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

I realize that, and you've made your point. Thank you very much.

I will go to the next speaker, who is Mr. Kramp, by the way--a Conservative.

Thank you.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Daryl Kramp Conservative Prince Edward—Hastings, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Quite honestly, colleagues, I have a little bit of a heavy heart on this. I recall the first meeting of this government ops committee, at which the chair stated, “This is, thankfully, one of the least partisan committees on the Hill, and we hope to see it act that way.”

For those members who obviously support this motion, if that is their strong personal opinion and their strong personal belief, I'm not comfortable with that, but I understand it and accept it. I think that's fair, that's democracy. But sadly, in my evaluation, I do believe that unfortunately too many people are playing politics with this issue, and it is such a serious issue. That is just from what we've heard here today and from the tone of comment. I don't believe it's consistent, and I'm not suggesting everybody is following that pattern; to those who are, I offer my apologies if I mischaracterize you on this statement, if you have that belief.

Just to touch on Mr. Kenney's remark, we have the credibility of people coming forward and we have a mandate. The mandate has not been followed by this motion in the committee. It's absolutely not relevant to the appointment process. It has absolutely no relevancy whatsoever. Competence, capability, ability to do the job, ability to deliver for the Canadian public, efficiencies--that's the mandate. When I see it being absolutely cast aside simply to mischaracterize an individual who has given 40 years of his life in the public service without a blemish, and to have this kind of mischaracterization...it is really a sad day.

I offer my personal apologies to Mr. Morgan for having to put up with this kind of mischaracterization. It's a sad day. I would recommend that our Prime Minister actually just do what is proper, do what is right, and appoint a gentleman who obviously is very deserving of this.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Madame Nash.

11:05 a.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Madam Chair, I'd like to move that the motion be put to a vote.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Do you mean the motion as amended?

11:05 a.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Yes, as amended.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

It's past 11 a.m. The transport committee is supposed to be have met at 11 a.m.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

I think this will take two minutes. The question has been called. All those in favour of the motion as amended?

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Diane Ablonczy Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Madam Chair, I didn't get a chance to speak to the motion.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

This is the end of the committee. By the way, we'll see you at 8 a.m. on Thursday. Thank you.

Yes?

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Madam Chair, I'd like to challenge the chair for your conduct at this meeting.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

I am sorry, that is out of order.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Madam Chair, you are compelled to recognize me on a motion to challenge the chair.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Out of order.

This is the end of it. Come and challenge me at the next meeting.