Evidence of meeting #54 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Isabelle Dumas
Jean-François Roussy  Director, Self Employed and Other Initiatives, Employment Insurance Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

I had forgotten that you did have a motion there. Maybe we'll close off the bill portion and go into committee business.

The department witnesses are free to leave. Thank you very much for being here and for clarification where needed and as needed. I can say that on the agenda I had some committee business that we wanted to deal with, and we will in camera, but Mr. Sullivan has a motion. I will entertain that motion, and then we can decide whether you wish to go in camera or not.

We'll go to Mr. Sullivan with his motion.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

As I stated earlier, the Finance Committee has referred some parts of Bill C-45 to this committee, and therefore I'm seeking unanimous consent to adopt the following motion:

That, the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities immediately commence a study, as has been requested by the Standing Committee on Finance in their motion adopted on October 31, 2012, into the subject matter of clauses 219 to 232 in C-45, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 29, 2012 and other measures, and that the committee report to the finance committee suggested amendments to these clauses by November 20th at 5:00 p.m.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

That's the motion. He's seeking unanimous consent for that motion. Does he have unanimous consent, or do we want to deal with it in a different way?

I'm going to make a few comments here for everybody to be on the same page. We've received a letter from the finance committee, and I've asked a clerk to distribute that letter to all members. The motion adopted by the finance committee referred specific sections that relate to human resources to us and asked this committee if it wishes to make any recommendations or any suggested amendments to those portions of the sections for their consideration. They'll actually be doing the clause-by-clause consideration.

Time is also of the essence, because we're on break week and when we get back it's a Monday and our next scheduled meeting is Tuesday. They want it reported back to them by five o'clock, I think you said in your motion, on Tuesday. It would have to be in both official languages, so time is a bit of a constraint.

We had also previously moved a motion not to sit on Thursday of next week. I would envision that we would likely call some departmental witnesses to give us some background on the clauses. We have that Thursday that we decided we weren't going to sit; if we decided we wanted to sit on that day, we should probably move on that, which may mean some amendments, or you can defeat the motion and put a new motion in. We may want to deal with it at a specific time in a specific way, so that we're in a position to report back.

Those are all the general comments I have. Your motion is on the floor. Is there any debate?

Go ahead, Ms. Leitch.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kellie Leitch Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

I wanted to clarify. Your motion is for us to send recommendations to the finance committee, is that right?

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

Yes.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kellie Leitch Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

I'll be happy to support that. My recommendation would be that this committee consider seeing witnesses with respect to this matter next Thursday. I know we had previously said we would not have a committee meeting next Thursday, but I would suggest that we move forward with that day so that we provide sufficient time to our chair as well as to our clerk to be able to put together the documentation we would like to have submitted.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Your point is well made.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kellie Leitch Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

I recognize we have to rescind our previous vote.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

If we were going to do that, we would have to stand this motion and rescind the other motion to not sit on Thursday. If you were to propose a friendly amendment to say that we would meet on Thursday for a certain period of time and for a particular purpose, as well as who will be there, and he was acceptable to that amendment--

10:10 a.m.

A voice

No, you can`t do that because....

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Are you making a friendly amendment, then, to his motion, to say instead of “immediately”, it'd be Tuesday, the....

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kellie Leitch Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

It would be November 6.

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet NDP Hochelaga, QC

That is immediately.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

It's adding precision, the clerk tells me. Is it for two hours or one hour, and is it a full meeting?

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

That's fine. I'm okay with that.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Then it's for two hours.

Okay. It would be Tuesday from 8:45 a.m. to 10:45 a.m. You can take that as so.

Are you prepared to accept the friendly amendment to make it “Tuesday, November 6” as opposed to “immediately”?

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

Yes, I am.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

He moved the amendment so that it's more precise. Is that amendment acceptable to you?

10:10 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

As long as it's not only Tuesday. If we need more, we can make that decision, but we'll start on Tuesday.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Well, I'll finish on Tuesday unless the committee decides to do something different. Are we okay with that?

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

Fair enough.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Are we okay with that?

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kellie Leitch Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

Tuesday's fine.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Then that motion needs to be adopted with the amendment for Tuesday.

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

You need unanimous consent first.