Evidence of meeting #80 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Miriam Burke  Committee Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Patrick Williams
Marc-Olivier Girard  Committee Clerk
Thomas Bigelow  Committee Clerk

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Absolutely. I'll be very straightforward, Mr. Chair.

I believe I asked you in the previous meeting about the speaking order. I was on the order, and then today, I believe I began on the order.

Do I still have the floor? I just want to make sure, in all the shemozzle that's been going on, whether or not I still have the floor.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you, Mr. Angus, for your point of order—

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Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

On that point of order....

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

I'm going to respond to Mr. Angus first.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I think he wants to address the point of order.

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Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

It's on the point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

No. The Chair would like to respond to the point of order, and then you can provide a point of order.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

The member has the floor.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Angus, you have the floor.

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NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Yes, but now you can go to the point of order.

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Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

If I recall, the meeting last week was suspended. Therefore, the member who had the floor at the end of the meeting, who was a Conservative member—

3:50 p.m.

An hon. member

No.

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Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

—should still have the floor. That's the way it works. It was a suspension. You did not adjourn the meeting. If you had adjourned the meeting, that would have been completely different, because that was something that happened previously, but because you suspended the meeting, it's a continuation of the meeting.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Patzer, on your point of order, are you referring to a specific standing order on the point of order? If you could clearly identify what that standing order is....

It was provided that Mr. Angus had the floor at the previous meeting, and we continued on into today's meeting with Mr. Angus on the floor.

That is the chair's ruling. If you would like to challenge the chair, I will leave that up to you.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

On a point of order, you have ruled on this, so for Mr. Patzer to appear and then make false claims.... A ruling was made that I have the floor—

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Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I have a point of order.

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NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

If he does not want to accept your ruling.... You've already ruled on it, so this is not up for debate.

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Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I have a point of order.

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NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

You're overruled. You've been challenging the rules.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you, Mr. Angus.

Yes, I ruled on it and Mr. Angus has the floor, but we have a point of order from Mr. Patzer.

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Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

For him to say I'm making a false claim insinuates that I'm lying. You know, Mr. Chair, he is not actually allowed to do that.

At the end of the last meeting, there was a Conservative member who had the floor—it was not Mr. Angus—so it's pretty straightforward.

October 30th, 2023 / 3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

I have a point of order.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Patzer, it's been dealt with. The chair has made the ruling. If you'd like to challenge the chair, you can do so.

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

We don't want to challenge you. We want you to enforce the rules.