Evidence of meeting #80 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
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7:05 p.m.
Liberal
John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC
I'm trying to understand it.
Could you give it to us again? I didn't follow where I'm supposed to be, so I just need to note it down.
7:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Before I proceed, I will provide it once again, and that might address your points of order.
There is a change to make in the package of amendments.
PV-1 on page 25 of the package should be moved to after LIB-3 on page 27. I'll do it once again, just to make sure: PV-1 on page 25 of the package should be moved after LIB-3 on page 27.
Next is Ms. Gladu on the point of order, and then we'll go to Mr. Morrice.
Go ahead.
7:10 p.m.
Conservative
Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON
With respect to moving PV-1 after LIB-3, that would imply that it was in clause 7, but the text of PV-1 says “in clause 6”. Does that mean that the amendment has to be amended in order for it to be compliant?
Thank you.
7:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Ms. Gladu, there was a drafting error with legal.... It has now been rectified and put in the right place according to the bill. Thank you for your catch.
Mr. Morrice, you had a point of order.
December 6th, 2023 / 7:10 p.m.
Green
Mike Morrice Green Kitchener Centre, ON
On the same point, I'm just looking to understand better.
If PV-1, which I'm here hopefully to speak to with respect to a just transition for coal power workers being included as part of this bill, is in clause 6. LIB-3 is clause 7. Why is it that PV-1 would follow if it is in an earlier clause?
7:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
I'll ask you to confer with the clerk.
Colleagues, pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of clause 1 and of the preamble are postponed.
Since there are a few amendments to clause 2, the interpretation clause, I suggest that we postpone the study of clause 2 until the end. This will allow us to first consider and make a decision on amendments that could have an impact on the definitions.
As a reminder, House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, states on page 773 that:
The interpretation clause of a bill is not the place to propose a substantive amendment to a bill unless other amendments have been adopted that would warrant amendments to the interpretation clause.
Therefore, clause 2 will be considered after clause 21.
(On clause 3)
We are on CPC-4 on page 11 of the package.
Do we have a mover for that?
Mr. Patzer.
7:10 p.m.
Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
Thank you.
It is that Bill C-50, in clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 3 and 4 on page 5 with the following:
3 The purpose of this Act is to improve affordability and to facilitate and promote economic growth, private sector investment, the creation of sustainable jobs and
7:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Thank you, Mr. Patzer.
I just want to let colleagues know that if CPC-4 is adopted, BQ-4 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.
7:15 p.m.
Conservative
7:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
I'm sorry. I thought you were done, Mr. Patzer.
I'll ask other colleagues to hold.
Mr. Patzer, go ahead and finish, and then we'll proceed.
7:15 p.m.
Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
I think it probably goes without saying, but just in case it doesn't I thought it would be good to just make the point. The reason I want to see the improvement of affordability is that we've definitely seen, after eight years, that affordability has become an issue for the overwhelming majority of Canadians.
Certainly, economic growth and private sector investment is of utmost importance to natural resource development in this country. We've seen a fleeing of private sector investment from this country over the last eight years, so I just think it's important that we make sure there's language in this bill that would be supportive of affordability and of facilitating and promoting economic growth.
Certainly in my region.... I'm sure many members around the table here would be willing to support this amendment, because they also have natural resource development happening in their riding.
You know, it's interesting. We had a subamendment previously, as you'll recall, about the need to have people come from Timmins—James Bay to speak at committee. Unfortunately, the member from Timmins—James Bay was missing for three meetings and wasn't able to speak to it. When he did—actually, at the meeting prior to his being subbed out of the committee—he didn't even spend time to talk about projects in Timmins—James Bay, but—
7:15 p.m.
Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
—we spoke at length, as Conservatives, about what's happening in Timmins—James Bay.
7:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Mr. Patzer, I ask you to pause for a second. We do have a point of order.
Mr. Angus, you have a point of order.
7:15 p.m.
NDP
Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON
I really like my friend Mr. Patzer, but he has a really bad memory. I do believe I spoke extensively on the issue.
7:15 p.m.
Conservative
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NDP
Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON
I don't know if that has anything to do with this, but he can carry on as long as he wants because he has another hour and 11 minutes. He can talk about Timmins a lot if he wants.
7:15 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Thank you, Mr. Angus, for the point of order.
Colleagues, I would just ask you to keep points of order to procedural issues and to not engage in debate through points of order. Thank you.
Mr. Patzer, I ask you to conclude so we can move to the next speakers.
7:15 p.m.
Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
For sure. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Actually, I spoke for two hours straight about the great projects and the great work that is going on in Timmins—James Bay.
7:15 p.m.
Conservative
Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK
Actually, yes, you did, for some reason. I wasn't sure why you missed the last three meetings. Maybe it had to do with the fact that the last week was a week to acknowledge survivors of domestic abuse. Given what had happened in committee prior to your being subbed out, I think that had something to do with your being removed from the committee. Anyway, I digress.
I think it's important, though, that we talk about affordability, Mr. Chair—
7:15 p.m.
NDP
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Mr. Patzer, I'll ask you to pause on affordability.
Go ahead, Mr. Angus, on a point of order.
7:15 p.m.
NDP
Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON
I don't know why Mr. Patzer is talking about victims of domestic abuse. If he's going to make stuff up, I think he could be clear, but not during this time. We're actually talking about Bill C-50. If he wants to make allegations against me, he can do that anywhere he wants, but we're dealing with Bill C-50.
Could you, Chair, keep him focused? I'm worried about my friend here. He gets so angry, he just goes off track. Either they're serious about this or not.
