Natural Resources Committee on Oct. 30th, 2023

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We have a point of order from Mr. Williamson. We will go to him next.

Mr. Williamson, you had a point of order.

[John Williamson, Conservative, New Brunswick Southwest, NB]

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I wasn't here at the last meeting. You mentioned a ruling. I'm unclear if that ruling was made today.

Mr. Genuis did raise a point of order. I haven't heard a ruling from that.

You're absolutely right that the chair does get to set the speaking order, but where Mr. Genuis has a point is that, if he had the floor in the last meeting and that meeting was suspended, it does go back to him. The chair is not in a position to remove that privilege from him.

I would seek guidance from the clerk as to who had the floor in the last meeting. If this had been a new meeting, you're absolutely right. You'd have the power to designate anyone to speak, bu, given that this meeting was suspended and that Mr. Genuis had the floor....

Let's seek advice from the clerk.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

You're making that up.

[John Williamson, Conservative, New Brunswick Southwest, NB]

Let's seek—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Order.

[John Williamson, Conservative, New Brunswick Southwest, NB]

—advice from the clerk on that, Mr. Chair.

That is my point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Williamson, thank you.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Point of order. Point of order.

[John Williamson, Conservative, New Brunswick Southwest, NB]

Let's hear the chair, please.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

I will respond to Mr. Williamson, because he had a point of order, and he had the floor.

Mr. Williamson, that was decided on. The chair was challenged, and the committee did uphold that ruling. We proceeded on, and now Mr. Angus has the floor.

As stated earlier, and as you stated, as well, the chair does have authority to proceed, so that's what we're doing.

Just to remind folks, we have an amendment on the floor. We have a motion on the floor with an amendment and a subamendment.

I would ask of all members the courtesy to allow members to participate on the subamendment, which Mr. Angus would like to do. He hasn't had an opportunity to say more than three words, I believe.

I'm hoping we can get to him on the subamendment, and we can continue on with that so we can potentially move to a vote on that and other amendments as well.

[An hon. member]

Point of order.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Can I begin to speak, or are they going to continue to interrupt?

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We're going to go to Ms. Stubbs on a point of order. Ms. Stubbs has been waiting patiently.

We're going to go to you, Ms. Stubbs. Then we're going to go to Ms. Dabrusin on a point of order, and then we'll go to Mr. Falk on a point of order.

We're going to start with you, Ms. Stubbs.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I had a point of order, as well, Chair, so you can add me to that list.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We'll go to you, Ms. Stubbs.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Thank you, Chair. I appreciate the time you're giving me.

I need to echo, of course, the comments by both Mr. Genuis and Mr. Williamson.

I'm also confused about why members are not aware of what happened and how things happened in the meeting, since all of it is in public and all of it is on video.

This isn't a theoretical discussion between us all. It's not a matter of a point of perspective or our own opinion. It's verifiable in the video footage of this meeting that is public so every Canadian can see what is going on here, as they have a right to do.

This, of course, is technically the same meeting that started last Monday when the NDP-Liberals started at the top of the programming scheduling motion to dictate to the committee what we're going to do on these bills—

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

We're getting into debate now, Ms. Stubbs.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

Mr. Genuis did summarize—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I have a point of order.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

—from the publicly available footage of—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

She is making false statements. The NDP did not bring a motion—

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

—this committee exactly—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

She's just making stuff up.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Mr. Angus, I've asked you to hold.

Ms. Stubbs, go ahead just on the point of order, please.