Evidence of meeting #80 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Miriam Burke  Committee Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Patrick Williams
Marc-Olivier Girard  Committee Clerk
Thomas Bigelow  Committee Clerk

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Genuis, Ms. Dabrusin has not even started yet.

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Well, can I just finish my—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

No, we have a point of order. We are going to hear the point of order—

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

But we heard Charlie's entire point of order. How come we can't hear my point of order on Charlie's point of order?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Ms. Stubbs, we are going to hear the point of order from Ms. Dabrusin and then you'll have the ability to continue.

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Chair, this is why Albertans are going to make a different decision about you in the next election.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Please go ahead, Ms. Dabrusin.

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Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

I heard Ms. Stubbs state that you were interrupting her, and I just wanted to raise a point of order to point out that I had actually not heard you say [Inaudible—Editor].

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Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

On a point of order, he turned his mike on while I was talking.

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An hon. member

Point of order.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Point of order, Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

We have a point of order from Mr. Sorbara.

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An hon member

What about my point of order?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Go ahead, Mr. Sorbara.

You have a point of order on the point of order.

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An hon. member

What is a point of order, if I can't—

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Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Chair, thank you for recognizing my point of order on the point of order.

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An hon. member

It's a point of disorder.

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Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

It would be quickly to add that the member from the New Democratic Party spoke up and said we are all here to represent the interests and the views of our constituents and to move the economy forward. He did not imply that any one of us was here more so than the others—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Let's not get into debate.

Mr. Sorbara, on the point of order.

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Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

I'm sorry, but I wanted to get that point across.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Okay.

Mr. Genuis, on the point of order.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, on this point order, I'd like you to clarify how points of order work.

Traditionally, in past practices of the committees that I have been part of, when one member raises a point of order, they're able to make that point of order without being interrupted in the middle of a point of order by another point of order.

If you allow members to interrupt in the middle of each other's points of order with points of order, I fear that we will end up in a kind of infinite regress of points of order on points of order, which will prevent anyone from actually being able to articulate what their point of order is.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Thank you, Mr. Genuis, on your—

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

In some ways, you're demonstrating the problem, Chair.