Evidence of meeting #26 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bridge.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Donald Roussel  Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Thao Pham  Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal Montreal Bridges, Department of Transport
Kash Ram  Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport
Michel Leclerc  Director, Regulatory Affairs Coordination, Department of Transport
Nicholas Wilkshire  Legal Counsel, Department of Transport
Marc Brazeau  Director General, New Bridge for the St. Lawrence , Department of Transport

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport

Kash Ram

A national safety mark is required for Canadian-based manufacturers. The proposed amendments will move the nature of affixing that national safety mark, which is a physical mark that must be attached to each vehicle, child seat, or tire, and that requirement will be made more broad, more flexible under the proposal whereby the regulations would determine the nature of that national safety mark. It is a unique Canadian requirement. Canada is a country that imports the vast majority of the vehicles, tires, and child seats. The national safety mark is different. I can't speak to the American equivalent; I don't think there is an American equivalent. They have a certificate of compliance label. We have a certificate of compliance label for vehicles that are imported. We have a national safety mark for domestically manufactured goods.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

So this isn't about compliance with the U.S.?

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport

Kash Ram

It's not.

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NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

If a manufacturer chooses not to install a national safety mark, is that okay?

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport

Kash Ram

A domestic manufacturer must do that.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

They must. Okay.

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport

Kash Ram

Yes, they must. The domestic manufacturer must apply for a national safety mark. The case file is reviewed, and that manufacturer is provided the authority to fix that national safety mark on the goods that it produces in Canada. If that company does not provide such evidence, such a case file for review, that company would not be able to sell its products in Canada.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

Mike Sullivan NDP York South—Weston, ON

These regulations don't seem to actually say that, the ones that are being changed, but it's part of the old regulations.

Something that doesn't appear in these changed regulations is the issue of side guards on highway tractor-trailer units. There have been calls by Canadians and by many individuals to regulate the use of side guards to protect personal safety, to protect individuals. Why is that missing from the changes to the regulations?

9:05 a.m.

Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport

Kash Ram

If there were a case to mandate side guards on trailers that are pulled by tractor units or on straight trucks, that would be considered a regulation or a safety standard, so it is out of scope for a legislative vehicle.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Your time has expired, Mr. Sullivan.

Mr. McGuinty, for seven minutes.

May 13th, 2014 / 9:05 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for being here.

Mr. Chairman, I just want to get on the record that the witness that we put forward was Minister Lebel, who did not show here today, for whatever reason. For any Canadians watching, he did not show here to defend these changes.

Therefore, I will ask what I can of our good public servants, public officials, who, as you rightly point out, cannot speak for politicians. The politicians should be here, Mr. Chairman. The minister should be here to defend these changes, but let's see what we can get from the witnesses. How about that?

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

That is probably good.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Great.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

We do have to recognize that Minister Lebel had very short notice on this. I know he's in a cabinet meeting right now.

Carry on.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I hear you. I can think of nothing more important, Mr. Chairman, than the minister being here to defend these changes.

Folks, these changes are going to change the way in which we give notice to Canadians about regulations dealing with rail safety. Is that right?

9:05 a.m.

Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Right now any Canadian who wants to find out, for example, what's happening with respect to engineering standards for railway construction, road crossings, railway work, safety and security in crossing tracks, non-railway operations affecting railway safety, safety records and safety management systems.... Right now, under the existing regulatory structure, 90 days' notice is given to Canadians—private sector, public sector, NGOs, civil society, labour unions—about any changes in these areas. Is that correct?

9:05 a.m.

Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Donald Roussel

It can vary, 30, 60, 90 days, depending on the gazetting processes.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Going forward, that's not going to be the case anymore, is it?

9:05 a.m.

Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Donald Roussel

No, that's not correct. It depends on the elements that we're dealing with.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Will I get access, as a Canadian citizen, 90 days before any regulatory changes that are proposed to safety management systems?

9:10 a.m.

Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Donald Roussel

SMS is definitely part of regulatory processes.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

What does that mean, sir? Am I going to get 90 days' notice?

9:10 a.m.

Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Donald Roussel

Yes, you would get notice for SMS regulations.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

What are the changes here that are happening?