Evidence of meeting #5 for Special Committee on the Canadian Mission in Afghanistan in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was know.
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Conservative
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An hon. member
Hillier.
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Conservative
Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB
I'm getting to him.
Are you calling General Hillier a liar?
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
I don't call anybody a liar--
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
--in the chain of command. What I'm saying is that you're trying to protect this government--
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
[Inaudible--Editor]...play like a child--
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson
Mr. Malgarai and Mr. Hawn, just hold on. We're going to start bringing all these comments through the chair. And let's just tone it down a little bit on both sides here.
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Conservative
Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB
So you are calling all of the generals who testified before this committee liars because they all said they had no direct knowledge of--
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
What I was asked about General Hillier, what he said, I am saying that's not true. What he said is not true.
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Conservative
Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB
You also said that every person in uniform in the Canadian Forces, at every level--
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
I did not say any level; I said any department that had anything to do with anything--
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson
Mr. Malgarai, let's just allow Mr. Hawn the time to finish his statement, and then he'll allow you the time.
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Conservative
Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
You said “at every level”. That includes General Hillier, General Natynczyk, everybody on down. That's precisely what you said.
I'd like to go to these letters of recommendation that you had. Did you mention any of these concerns that you had to Warrant Officer Menard, who wrote one of those letters of recommendation?
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An hon. member
Can he respond, Chair?
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Conservative
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
Don't put words in my mouth. I know you're a politician. You know how to play with words. But do not insult my intelligence.
Let me answer. What I said is on the record. And there's more than one person in this room who's listening to us. So you don't have to make up things as you go along.
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
I said that any department at any level that had anything to do with the transferring of detainees knew what NDS does to detainees. That's what I said. That's what I'm repeating. And I will continue to say the same thing.
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Conservative
Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB
Thank you. We will check the record, because you said “every person”.
Did you speak to Warrant Officer Menard about your concerns?
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
Yes.
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Conservative
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Advisor to the Former Commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan, As an Individual
Captain Garon was not working as a part of ASIC.