Evidence of meeting #16 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was biodiesel.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Thoroughgood  Regional Agrologist, Ducks Unlimited Canada
Benoit Legault  Director General, Fédération des producteurs de cultures commerciales du Québec
Ian Thomson  President, Canadian Bioenergy Corporation
Esteban Chornet  Professor, Department of Chemical Engineering, University of Sherbrooke
Stéphane Bisaillon  Second Vice-President, Fédération des producteurs de cultures commerciales du Québec
Camil Lagacé  President and Chief Executive Officer, Conseil québécois du biodiésel
Simon Barnabé  Scientific researcher, Added value production from waste materials, EcoNovo Consulting Experts
Lucy Sharratt  Coordinator, Canadian Biotechnology Action Network
Kevin Bender  Director, Western Canadian Wheat Growers Association
Yves Couture  Director, Centre de formation en entreprise et récupération de Victoriaville

6:20 p.m.

Bloc

Roger Gaudet Bloc Montcalm, QC

Thank you very much.

I have a question for Mr. Barnabé, Mr. Couture and Mr. Lagacé. Other witnesses may also respond to it.

Have you ever done any research on hog manure?

6:20 p.m.

Scientific researcher, Added value production from waste materials, EcoNovo Consulting Experts

6:20 p.m.

Bloc

Roger Gaudet Bloc Montcalm, QC

Were the results positive or negative?

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Scientific researcher, Added value production from waste materials, EcoNovo Consulting Experts

Simon Barnabé

It is difficult to convert hog manure. I worked with hog manure in my early days, but we did not get good results in producing biopesticides or enzymes for detergents. That is one of the reasons we focused our research on municipal sewage sludge and biosolids from paper plants.

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Bloc

Roger Gaudet Bloc Montcalm, QC

Mr. Couture?

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Director, Centre de formation en entreprise et récupération de Victoriaville

Yves Couture

There is a company in Victoriaville that specializes in converting hog manure into methane. I do not know whether you are familiar with this. The company has a pilot project on this. I don't have any further information at the moment, but I do know they are investigating this at the moment.

6:20 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Conseil québécois du biodiésel

Camil Lagacé

A group of Quebec business people got the world rights to a new technology for the direct conversion of hog manure and liquid manure into biodiesel. The project is supposed to get under way in May or June of this year to do what is known as testing the concept in technological development. This would mean we would be able to process all the liquid manure in a manure pit on location and convert it directly into biodiesel.

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Scientific researcher, Added value production from waste materials, EcoNovo Consulting Experts

Simon Barnabé

I would like to add, however, that when we work with organic sludge from manure processing, we get some very interesting results. It is possible to make many commercial bioproducts using the organic sludge from manure processing.

6:20 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Conseil québécois du biodiésel

Camil Lagacé

I would just like to add that this points to the fact that there will be increasing competition for access to all of the biomass for conversion purposes. The competition will become very intense at that time. Biomass and waste matter that have little or no value today will become extremely valuable over time.

6:20 p.m.

Bloc

Roger Gaudet Bloc Montcalm, QC

Have you ever heard about processing hog manure, Ms.Sharratt?

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Coordinator, Canadian Biotechnology Action Network

Lucy Sharratt

I'm sorry, the question didn't come through.

I am sorry.

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Bloc

Roger Gaudet Bloc Montcalm, QC

Has your institute done any research on hog manure?

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Coordinator, Canadian Biotechnology Action Network

Lucy Sharratt

We haven't. No.

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Bloc

Roger Gaudet Bloc Montcalm, QC

And you, Mr. Bender?

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Director, Western Canadian Wheat Growers Association

Kevin Bender

A good friend of mine currently has a hog operation right near me. Actually, I rent some of his land. He has a proposal for a biodigester to come in to convert some of his manure into methane. I don't know the process yet, but it's in the works of getting set up. I can't comment on the production or how that's going to work, but initially it sounds like a very good alternative.

6:20 p.m.

Bloc

Roger Gaudet Bloc Montcalm, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you, Mr. Gaudet.

We have some housekeeping we need to take care of, a few motions we need to deal with.

Witnesses, I want to thank all of you for coming in and providing us with your comments. It will help us form our debate as we go forward on clause-by-clause tomorrow, later in the morning, on Bill C-33 after we hear from another group of witnesses first thing in the morning. You are free to leave the table.

Members, we have some work.

First of all, I want to remind all members that tomorrow at 12:30 the Young Farmers are having a luncheon for us. We only heard back from a couple of you. It's at 12:30 at 131 Queen Street, Room 853.

Also, tomorrow the committee starts at 9:30, not 9 o'clock.

Yes, it's at 12:30, 131 Queen Street. It's one of the new buildings that we've taken on. When we shut down La Promenade, a lot of the offices moved over there.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

Is it 307 West?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Room 307 West Block is for the committee tomorrow morning, at 9:30. We'll be there until we get this done.

February 25th, 2008 / 6:25 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

I have a question, too, Mr. Chair.

We're going to start at 9:30 and go until 2 p.m. with the committee. What's happening when we're all at lunch with the Young Farmers?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Carol Skelton Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

I said I couldn't go.

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Conservative

Bev Shipley Conservative Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, ON

I'll go in your spot.

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Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

I have to go to that. The Young Farmers—

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I do encourage you to keep your day open right until 2 o'clock. Hopefully we can suspend to be able to join the Young Farmers' Association for lunch and come back and finish off the clause-by-clause.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

What's the thing about the committee going until 2 o'clock?