Evidence of meeting #40 for Canadian Heritage in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was remembrance.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Graham Flack  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Michael Blais  President and Founder, Canadian Veterans Advocacy
Bradley K. White  Dominion Secretary, Dominion Command, Royal Canadian Legion
Steven Clark  Director of Administration, Dominion Command, Royal Canadian Legion

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Dan Harris NDP Scarborough Southwest, ON

The Library of Parliament said very clearly that it doesn't. We've said very clearly that it doesn't. I'm not sure where that confusion lies then, because it certainly isn't unclear to me. I'm the one who presented this bill.

Of course, even today there was a question about half-masting, which of course we've already said we want to remove from the bill to leave that flexibility there, so I was actually surprised it got raised.

Mr. Schellenberger, you're clear that this bill does not create a statutory holiday, correct?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Schellenberger Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

I respect the Library of Parliament, but what I'm saying, and I said it before and I'll say it again, is that whether it's a statutory holiday or it's not a statutory holiday, people will make it what they want. I watch that every July 1 when the celebrations are going on. It seems the same people every year celebrate Canada Day, and the same people work on that day if it's a Wednesday or a Thursday to take Friday and have a long weekend. This is what will happen to this thing.

I have to say one thing. A question was asked—

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Dan Harris NDP Scarborough Southwest, ON

Sorry. It was a quick question about whether you understood that it did—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Schellenberger Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

I talk in parables.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Dan Harris NDP Scarborough Southwest, ON

That's okay. We're politicians.

Mr. White, would you go back to the membership now that you know it wouldn't become a statutory holiday?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Mr. Harris, on that note, we are now going to move to Mr. Clarke for five minutes—

5:20 p.m.

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

I stand corrected. Mr. Dykstra, you have the floor.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

I just want to be clear. It's part of the reason we have committee. It allows us to debate in a very fulsome way whether or not we should move forward on a particular piece of legislation or clauses within that legislation.

I find it strangely ironic that the mover of the bill is actually asking whether you know or understand that this would or would not lead to a statutory holiday. It would seem to me, if I were moving a piece of legislation, that I would have to take responsibility for you not being aware of what my bill did or didn't do, so I'm not so sure the responsibility for understanding whether or not it's a statutory holiday falls on Mr. White's shoulders or Mr. Clark's shoulders. I would submit that understanding comes from you, the government that moves a piece of legislation, or from a private member who introduces his own legislation.

While I find it interesting and I have learned a lot here this afternoon about that particular piece of legislation, I want to go back to the points all three of you were making with respect to intent. I think that's what you were trying to describe whether, like Mr. Blais, you're in favour of the bill, or like Mr. Schellenberger, Mr. White, or Mr. Clark, you are not in favour of the bill. You're speaking to what you believe to be the intent of the bill.

I think it would be helpful for all four of you to tell us what you believe the intent of the bill is, and why it's difficult for your organization, in the case of Mr. White and Mr. Clark, to support the bill, and why, Mr. Blais, your organization....

I was a little hesitant when you said you believed veterans didn't necessarily understand the issue and that, therefore, you speak on their behalf. I wondered why you would refer to your own membership that way. I want to give the two organizations the opportunity to speak more to the intent of the bill, and to why, in the case of the Legion, members don't support the bill and why Mr. Blais' organization does.

5:25 p.m.

President and Founder, Canadian Veterans Advocacy

Michael Blais

Thank you.

First of all, for my part, there were no ambiguities on what this bill was bringing forward. I never thought the statutory conversation would be happening here, quite frankly, because it was clear to me what this bill was about when Mr. Harris brought it forward, just as it was clear to me as we presented it to our membership or through the consultation period.

We understand exactly what this is. It's an opportunity for Parliament to fulfill their sacred obligation without the risk of running statutory holidays and all the conversation we had. It's very simple and I suggest we all keep it simple.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Thank you.

Mr. White.

5:25 p.m.

Dominion Secretary, Dominion Command, Royal Canadian Legion

Bradley K. White

I'm going to start and then I'll hand it off to Steven quickly.

The intent of any legislation, whatever it's going to be, should be to put forward to all Canadians the issues of sacrifice and remembrance, and the respect they have for their veterans and people who serve their country, whether they be members of the Canadian Forces, members of the RCMP, or members of emergency services.

Steven.

5:25 p.m.

Director of Administration, Dominion Command, Royal Canadian Legion

Steven Clark

When you designate Remembrance Day as a legal holiday according to the Holidays Act, you put it on the same status as Canada Day and Victoria Day. I think it follows that it would be treated as a statutory holiday, much as these two days already are. If you treat it the same way, the intent would be that it would become a statutory holiday, and I would hate to see having to designate Remembrance Day as a legal holiday as the means to increase the visibility or importance of the day. I don't think a designation is going to change that.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Mr. Blais, how many members are in your organization?

5:25 p.m.

President and Founder, Canadian Veterans Advocacy

Michael Blais

We don't field members. We're a director-based organization on purpose. I do not believe in charging disabled and wounded veterans or their families a membership fee for services that I feel are a duty. We have three directors. We're dedicated to effecting legislative change on areas such as this, more importantly, the lump sum award and the more serious issues that are confronting veterans, but that's the way it is. We're registered, non-federal. We followed all the government's rules as far as I—

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

That's great.

I had one more question in that regard. You don't have a membership per se, so how did you consult specifically on this issue—

5:25 p.m.

President and Founder, Canadian Veterans Advocacy

Michael Blais

We're very active.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

—if you don't have a membership, how do you talk for the organization? Because I don't think you're going to have enough time to respond here, could you provide to the committee in writing how you consult with your organization to get a perspective on this?

5:25 p.m.

President and Founder, Canadian Veterans Advocacy

Michael Blais

Sure. I don't have to give it to you in writing. I'm consulting almost every day. I spoke to four veterans this morning. Two of them are visiting here today. We are very active on Facebook and social networking and all that, but it's the personal interaction that I engage in, whether they phone me, or I engage them in person in my travels. I understand—

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

How many people in your organization would you feel you spoke to about this issue?

5:30 p.m.

President and Founder, Canadian Veterans Advocacy

Michael Blais

Remembrance Day? I would note that...I think her name's Wilma McNeill. She reached out to me a couple of years ago on the provincial level. It hasn't been a high priority because your government sets the priorities for us and with the level of discord the veterans are confronting, Remembrance Day is down the list. We have veterans suffering catastrophic injuries and pain who have been abandoned through this lack of action on the new veterans charter.

Back to answering your question—

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Do you know how many members—

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

We're well over time now, I'm sorry.

5:30 p.m.

President and Founder, Canadian Veterans Advocacy

Michael Blais

To answer your question—

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

I hate to cut anybody off. We will have some more meetings on this bill.

I want to thank our witnesses for attending today. Thank you for your input.

On that note, the meeting is adjourned.