Evidence of meeting #149 for Canadian Heritage in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was line.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Cathy McLeod  Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, CPC
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Hélène Laurendeau  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
David Yurdiga  Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, CPC
Randy Boissonnault  Edmonton Centre, Lib.
Wayne Long  Saint John—Rothesay, Lib.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Mr. Shields.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Can you give us three minutes, please?

8:30 p.m.

Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, CPC

Cathy McLeod

Or just come back to it.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Let's suspend for three minutes so that you can all look at it and see what has happened.

8:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Ms. McLeod.

8:35 p.m.

Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, CPC

Cathy McLeod

Madam Chair, I would recommend we skip that and continue through the bill. I know that your colleagues on the other side are diligently working on a solution to what is a big issue with what they wanted to do.

8:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

We can stand down clause 24.

Monsieur Nantel.

8:35 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

Are we voting on clause 24 now?

8:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

No.

8:35 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

Are we skipping it?

8:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

We're going to stand down clause 24, if that's okay.

8:35 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

Okay.

8:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

We're going to hold it and continue, and then the clerks here will help to remind me to bring it back.

(Amendment allowed to stand)

(Clause 24 allowed to stand)

(On clause 25)

On clause 25, we have LIB-10.2.

Mr. Hogg.

8:35 p.m.

Liberal

Gordie Hogg Liberal South Surrey—White Rock, BC

It's that clause 25 be amended by replacing line 25 on page 10 with the following:

(c) conduct research and studies and community assessments in respect of the

8:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Is there any discussion on LIB-10.2? Seeing none, all in favour?

(Amendment agreed to)

Now, on PV-7, we have Ms. May.

8:40 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

This is again related to evidence that we heard from two of the witnesses, Wanda Wilson from the Saskatchewan Indigenous Cultural Centre, and Jennifer Wickham from Witsuwit'en. Clause 25 currently refers to “Support offered by Office”, and what this amendment does is specify a bit more, stating that:

(c.1) promote and assist research and scholarship, collect, store and update data, archive collections, and facilitate knowledge sharing among Indigenous groups in respect of the language;

There's just a bit more specificity about the functions and keeping them as close as possible to the first nations communities involved.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

All in favour?

(Amendment negatived)

That brings us to LIB-11, Mr. Hogg.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Gordie Hogg Liberal South Surrey—White Rock, BC

It states that clause 25 be amended by replacing line 31 on page 10 with the following:

cial or territorial governments to establish culturally appropriate

Again, it's adding “territorial”.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

All in favour of LIB-11?

(Amendment agreed to)

On PV-8, Ms. May.

8:40 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Thank you.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Wait one second, please. I believe there's an issue that was flagged to me by the legislative clerk. Before you begin discussion, I'm just going to flag that it was flagged for me that paragraph 2(a), in reference to the Trade-marks Act, may be out of the scope of this legislation. That was raised by the legislative clerk.

8:40 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Thank you, Madam Chair. I was also made aware that this was a possibility, but this provision to protect intellectual property for research, technologies and certification standards did come up in evidence. Intellectual property rights are certainly within the frame of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and are very clearly connected with the work that we're doing in this bill towards expanding, restoring and preserving indigenous languages. There will be innovations that come along with that, and intellectual property protections will certainly make sense, particularly around the registering of their own trademarks within indigenous communities.

I won't go into the full amendment in all its detail because, as you mentioned, there might be one part that was a problem, but we don't want to prevent indigenous communities from licensing and otherwise making available property that is their own intellectual property. That's the key concern: that we not inadvertently deprive indigenous communities of something that they would otherwise have.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Is there any debate? Seeing none, all in favour of PV-8?

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 25 as amended agreed to on division)

(Clause 26 agreed to on division)

(On clause 27)

Clause 27 has amendment NDP-15.

Monsieur Nantel.

8:40 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

The purpose of this amendment is to avoid limiting to certain people the opportunity to report a fact or situation related to the treatment of Indigenous languages. For example, if a constituent from one of these communities wants to ask us, as members of Parliament, to comment on the issue, the current wording of the bill would prevent us from doing so. We're proposing here to expand the wording to include “any individual or organization, respecting any matter referred.”

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Are there any comments?

Mr. Boissonnault, you have the floor.