Evidence of meeting #149 for Canadian Heritage in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was line.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Cathy McLeod  Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, CPC
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Hélène Laurendeau  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
David Yurdiga  Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, CPC
Randy Boissonnault  Edmonton Centre, Lib.
Wayne Long  Saint John—Rothesay, Lib.

8:40 p.m.

Edmonton Centre, Lib.

Randy Boissonnault

I'll ask the department to comment on this matter. I find that the wording of the amendment is much too broad in scope and could cause issues if anyone were able to file a complaint with regard to Indigenous peoples.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Madame Laurendeau.

8:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Hélène Laurendeau

The purpose of the current wording of subclause 27(1) is to give Indigenous representatives the full authority to decide whether to deal with a complaint. By expanding the definition of the complainant as proposed and therefore the type of complaints that may be filed, we may not be complying with our 12 guiding principles, which seek to limit the commissioner's mandate in order to reduce costs. It could also somewhat undermine the power of Indigenous people to file complaints. This is about the balance between a very broad definition and a very specific definition guided by the intentions of the Indigenous representatives.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

All those in favour of NDP-15? All those opposed?

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 27 agreed to on division)

If you will allow me, there are no amendments to clauses 28 to 42.

(Clauses 28 to 42 inclusive agreed to on division)

(On clause 43)

We have Lib 11.1.

Mr. Hogg.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gordie Hogg Liberal South Surrey—White Rock, BC

That clause 43 be amended by adding, after line 21 on page 16, the following:

a list of the research and studies undertaken under subsection 24(1);

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Is there any discussion?

Ms. May.

8:45 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

As this amendment is very similar to my next one, I'm just wondering if it's seen as a line conflict or whether we'll proceed to my amendment in any event.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

Wait one second.

8:45 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

It's the same thing.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

You do the same thing, but LIB-11.1 is on line 21, and yours, PV-9—

8:45 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

—is on line 23.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

It's on line 23.

8:45 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Sorry. Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

But you are right that you end up doing the same thing, so we probably don't need it.

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Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

It's just as well that it's going ahead.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

So, all those in favour—

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gordie Hogg Liberal South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Is it easier if I withdraw that?

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

No, I think that you all end up in the same place, right? If Ms. May is okay with LIB-11.1...?

8:45 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Yes. My views are, as I mentioned, not material, but, yes, I thought it might make it easier to say.... But I can't remove my own amendment just to save you time, because I don't have the power to do that.

But it does the same thing.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gordie Hogg Liberal South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Don't worry, we can.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

All those in favour or LIB-11.1? All those opposed?

(Amendment agreed to)

Next is PV-9, Ms. May. It does the same thing as LIB 11.1, so are we good with not moving that? Yes.

(Clause 43 as amended agreed to on division)

(Clause 44 agreed to on division)

(On clause 45)

We have LIB-12. I'm going to point out that if LIB-12 is adopted, LIB 12.1 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gordie Hogg Liberal South Surrey—White Rock, BC

That clause 45 be amended by replacing, in the English version, lines 2 and 3 on page 17 with the following:

a variety of Indigenous governments and other Indigenous governing bodies and a variety of indigenous organizations

That is consistent with Mr. Shields' requests and insight.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

Why didn't Mr. Shields move any of this?

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Julie Dabrusin

That's amendment 12.1.

8:45 p.m.

Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, CPC

Cathy McLeod

I'm not fixing your mistakes.