Canadian Heritage Committee on June 6th, 2022

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

You didn't. What's the number, then?

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

I did answer, eight times.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

So what's the number? What's the revenue threshold?

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

It's one of the three criteria that the CRTC takes to generate the regulations, which will apply then to the—

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

Right. So what is that monetary amount that you're going to be able to determine whether or not it applies to it?

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

I've answered your question. You know it very well.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

I don't—

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

Yes, you do.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

—because it's not in Bill C-11. There's no revenue threshold given. What's the monetary amount?

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

It's one of the three criteria.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

If someone makes $100 million in revenue, if someone makes $50,000 in revenue or $30,000 in revenue—

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

It's one of the three criteria, and for—

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

What's the threshold? Who's in and who's out?

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

For online creators, that wouldn't change anything, because they are excluded. Even if you would like to say to people, falsely, that they're included, they're not. It doesn't change anything.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

So in order to determine if someone is producing “commercial content”, which is the term you like to use, even though it's actually not defined in the bill, you get away....

It's actually very sneaky of you to use that term here today. So commercial—

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

Isn't that a personal attack, Mr. Chair? That's not a personal attack? I would say that it is.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

Minister, I'm asking a very simple question. I'm just asking whether you can provide me with that revenue threshold, the monetary amount.

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

I answered, but I don't think anything I say will have you support the bill.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

Could you give that dollar figure again?

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

You said that this bill needs to die a thousand deaths, Ms. Thomas.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

Could you give me that monetary amount?

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

What's the point? You don't want this bill to pass.

[Rachael Thomas, Conservative, Lethbridge, AB]

You said that we needed to have a conversation, and I'm trying to have a conversation with you, Mr. Rodriguez.

[Pablo Rodriguez, Liberal, Honoré-Mercier, QC]

I'm trying to—

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

On a point of order.