Canadian Heritage Committee on June 14th, 2022

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Go ahead, Chris.

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

Following on from Mr. Nater, committees are masters of their own destiny. Even at the start of the motion, it says “notwithstanding any standing order, special order or usual practice of the House”. Further to that, you've already ruled on this.

Madam Chair, I appreciate the attempt to slow this down, but you've already ruled on this. Nothing has changed. We should just proceed.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

It is also my understanding that when debate is not allowed, there is therefore no point of order. It is deemed to be debate.

These are all deemed to be moved. That is key to this. All of these motions are, after 9 p.m., deemed to be moved. Nobody's moving motions so they don't need to speak to them.

Thank you very much.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Yes, Mr. Perkins.

I'm beginning to recognize your voice.

[Some hon. members]

Oh, oh!

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

Thank you. I feel flattered.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Yes, indeed.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Before there was another point of order given, I think you were going to ask the clerk about my question on a point of order that Motion 16 doesn't disallow a mover from explaining their motion without debate. It only talks about prohibiting debate. I believe in order to allow for those here to be able to understand these motions, some of which are very complex, it would be helpful for the mover to make that explanation.

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Thank you very much, Mr. Perkins, but I have ruled, based on advice from the clerk, that, in fact, because.... I think this is a key point. As of 9 p.m., every single one of these amendments was deemed to have been moved. If they are moved, there is no need to speak to them. They are deemed to be moved. There is no further debate. We just have to go “successively”, being the terminology used in motion 16. I've ruled on this. I think, in fact, there should really be no points of order as we're moving through this right now. I am allowing people to have a say, if they wish to, just so nobody feels that they have been walked over.

I got those rulings from the clerk with regard to motion 16, to answer your question.

Shall clause 5 carry?

[Anthony Housefather, Liberal, Mount Royal, QC]

We're on NDP-15, Madam Chair. We haven't voted on that one yet.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

NDP-15 was already dealt with when NDP-12 was adopted.

[Kevin Waugh, Conservative, Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK]

Madam Chair, no, we're at NDP-15; believe me. After that, we'll go to clause 5.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I shall read to you the legislative clerk's notes. They say that NDP-15 is already dealt with if NDP-12 was adopted.

Mr. Méla.

[Philippe Méla]

Madam Chair, NDP-12 was not adopted; therefore, NDP-15 was not dealt with yet. We are on NDP-15 right now.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Thank you.

[Philippe Méla]

You're welcome.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Shall NDP-15 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Shall clause 5 carry as amended?

[Peter Julian, NDP, New Westminster—Burnaby, BC]

On division.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

All right, so clause 5 shall carry on division?

[John Nater, Conservative, Perth—Wellington, ON]

No, Madam Chair. There wasn't consent for division.

[The Clerk, Ms. Nancy Vohl]

There was no consent for division, so we'll go to a recorded division.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Thank you for telling me what's happening on the floor, because I cannot see. I'm hoping that someone will tell me what's going on so that I am aware. Thank you. Thank you for telling me this, whoever told me that it was not agreed to on division.

Again, shall clause 5 carry?

(Clause 5 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

(On clause 6)

We're going to clause 6. I just want to say that LIB-8, which is the first one in that clause, has already been adopted. It was when LIB-1 was adopted.

Actually, just for the sake of everyone knowing, CPC-16 has already been dealt with. With a vote on LIB-1, it was removed. CPC-16 was already dealt with, with LIB-1, when it was adopted.

The next on our agenda is NDP-15—

[John Nater, Conservative, Perth—Wellington, ON]

I have a point of order.