Canadian Heritage Committee on June 14th, 2022

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

If no one has an English version to this, shall we suspend while they get it?

[An hon. member]

No.

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Although we're not debating anything, we're just moving through—

Yes. I don't know who is raising the point of order.

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

It's Chris again. It's only amending the French version. There is no English version. This is correct as in English it is saying it's amending, “the French version, lines 1 and 2...with the following”. It has nothing to do with the English. This is correct. It's proper. It's been drafted properly.

[Laila Goodridge, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB]

This is Ms. Goodridge. On a point of order, Madam Chair, on the same—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Yes, Ms. Goodridge.

[Laila Goodridge, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB]

Thank you.

Perhaps we can just have clarification from the clerk just to reassure us. As we are moving through a lot of these amendments very quickly, it is absolutely incumbent upon us that we endeavour to have the best possible legislation for Canadians, and that means no possible errors, especially a potential error in translation.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Thank you, Ms. Goodridge.

I was just about to ask the clerk to explain this and to speak to it.

[Laila Goodridge, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB]

Wonderful, thank you so much.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Go ahead, Mr. Méla.

[Philippe Méla]

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Yes, indeed, the amendment is properly drafted. It amends only the French version, so if you look at the English version of the amendment on the left side of the page, the lead-in would be in English, but it would refer to the French text because only the French text is amended.

The lead-in, “That Bill C-11, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing, in the French version, lines 1 and 2 on page 10 with the following”, would be for the English-speaking person reading the amendment to say this is where you have to look, but you have to look in the French version because only the French version has been amended.

It is properly drafted because of that.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Thank you.

Ms. Goodridge, is that clarified for you?

[Laila Goodridge, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB]

Yes, Madam Chair, I still believe that there might be some error and some confusion in this. However, it is in fact clarified.

This just speaks, at a larger point, to some of these challenges we have.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

This is debate. We've already ruled on this, Ms. Goodridge.

Now I shall call the question. Shall amendment G-4 carry?

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 9; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 6 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

(Clause 7 agreed to on division)

(On clause 8)

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

We'll now move to clause 8, which is BQ-12.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 8 as amended agreed to on division)

(Clause 9 agreed to on division)

(On clause 10)

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

We begin with LIB-9.

Clerk, please go ahead with the vote.

[Laila Goodridge, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB]

I have a similar question to the last time.

I would like clarification around the translation. Perhaps the clerk could clarify. Was the original legislation not accurate in the French version but the English was?

[Anthony Housefather, Liberal, Mount Royal, QC]

That's correct. In two cases it wasn't, and in one case both of them were wrong.

[Laila Goodridge, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB]

I understand, and I don't want to get into a space of debate. I think this is why it would be very useful if the mover of the motion could give a very quick—

[Chris Bittle, Liberal, St. Catharines, ON]

On a point of order, Madam Chair—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Thank you. We already ruled on that, Ms. Goodridge.

[Martin Champoux, Bloc, Drummond, QC]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair. I don't think anyone can raise a point of order or ask for clarification in the middle of a recorded vote when it's their turn to speak. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's time to vote now.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

All right. I am allowing a fair amount of leeway because I do not want people to say they were not heard.

We are on LIB-9. Shall LIB-9 carry?

[Martin Champoux, Bloc, Drummond, QC]

Madam Chair, the question has already been put and it was Ms. Goodridge's turn to speak.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 10; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])