Canadian Heritage Committee on June 14th, 2022

Evidence of meeting #36 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was shall.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Bill C-11

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla Legislative Clerk

Thomas Owen Ripley Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Clerk of the Committee Ms. Aimée Belmore

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

We've been using “original French language program” throughout the act. Because of the way the English is worded, this changes the term we've been using to fix the English version throughout the act.

The clause was actually correct in this case on the English side, but not on the French side. My amendment only deals with the French side. Martin's does the English side, too, but it amends it wrongly.

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Is that Mr. Housefather speaking?

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

I'm so sorry, Madam Chair. I was disrupting.

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

No. That makes more sense now.

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Méla was asked a question for point of clarification. Mr. Méla—

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Madam Chair, I understand now. Mr. Housefather gave an interesting explanation that clarified it.

Thank you.

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, Ms. Goodridge.

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

I wasn't trying to be an obstructionist.

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Shall BQ-16 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 5; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

BQ-16 does not carry, so we can go to Liberal-10.

Shall Liberal-10 carry?

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall amendment CPC-20 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-20.1 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

June 14th, 2022 / 11:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We will now move to BQ-17.

Please be aware that if BQ-17 is adopted, NDP-19.2 cannot be moved due to a line conflict. If BQ-17 is adopted, NDP-19.2 becomes moot, as they are identical. If BQ-17 is defeated, so is NDP-19.2, for the same reason.

Shall BQ-17 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

BQ-17 does not carry, so we shall go to NDP-19.2.

11:15 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Madam Chair, NDP-19.2 is identical to BQ-17, so it's also defeated.

11:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

We shall move on to CPC-20.2.

Shall CPC-20.2 carry?

11:15 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

On a point of order, I think we would move on to NDP-19.3

11:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I do not have NDP-19.3 yet because that would be going into clause 11, Mr. Julian. We're finishing up this clause.

Shall CPC-20.2 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 10 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

(On clause 11)

Please note that if NDP-19.3 is adopted, BQ-19 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Shall NDP-19.3 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall BQ-18 carry?

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

I know we're not supposed to debate, but could I get clarification on this one as well?

It says “radiodiffusion” for both English and French. This is a translation correction in the French version. I just seek clarity on that one.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Can we get some clarity from Mr. Méla?

11:20 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

I'm looking into it, Madam Chair.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Shall we suspend for a few minutes?

11:20 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

No, that's fine.

Mr. Nater, the bill amends paragraphs 10(1)(f) to 10(1)(h) in the French version only. The bill is in effect on both sides of the column in French because it amends only three verbs in the French version.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, Mr. Méla.

Mr. Nater, I think your question has been answered.

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Yes, Madam Chair. Thank you.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry