Evidence of meeting #13 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Patrick McDonell  Sergeant-at-Arms and Corporate Security Officer, House of Commons
Larry Brookson  Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service
Julie Lacroix  Director, Corporate Security, Senate
Joint Chair  Hon. Gwen Boniface
Claude Carignan  Senator, Quebec (Mille Isles), C
Peter Harder  Senator, Ontario, PSG
Vernon White  Senator, Ontario, CSG

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NDP

The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green

Thank you very much, Senator Harder.

We now have Senator White for a five-minute round.

Sir, the floor is yours.

September 29th, 2022 / 7:20 p.m.

Vernon White Senator, Ontario, CSG

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thanks to all of you for being here. Thanks to PPS for your work. It's truly appreciated. I personally have seen a dramatic shift in your capabilities since the attack on Parliament Hill.

I have a couple of quick questions. One, were any of your offices receiving ongoing written reports from the Ottawa Police Service for that period of time when the convoy was in front of Wellington Street?

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Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service

Larry Brookson

Through you, Mr. Chair, our service was not.

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Sergeant-at-Arms and Corporate Security Officer, House of Commons

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Director, Corporate Security, Senate

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

You spoke about sending some information to staff and parliamentarians throughout, and I agree there was some information. I don't recall ever seeing anything come out that made me fearful of what was happening in front of Parliament. It's not that I didn't feel it, because I felt it walking the streets behind, but I don't remember seeing anything.

Did any of you ever send anything out advising parliamentarians that they may wish not to attend work, or directing them to specific locations that they should follow to work?

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Director, Corporate Security, Senate

Julie Lacroix

I did. I directed senators and staff to stay home on two occasions.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

Was that near the end of occupation?

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Director, Corporate Security, Senate

Julie Lacroix

It was near the end. That's correct.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

It wasn't at the beginning.

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Director, Corporate Security, Senate

Julie Lacroix

No. However, in all of my communications, I recommended to senators and staff to work remotely if they could do so.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

Go ahead, please, Patrick.

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Sergeant-at-Arms and Corporate Security Officer, House of Commons

Patrick McDonell

In the first few days, Senator White, we recommended certain routes onto the precinct.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

Was that from a driving perspective?

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Sergeant-at-Arms and Corporate Security Officer, House of Commons

Patrick McDonell

No. It was walking.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

Superintendent, did you at any time request that the Ottawa Police Service freeze the space in front of Parliament, on Wellington Street?

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Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service

Larry Brookson

Through you, Mr. Chair, yes, Senator.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

At what point was that?

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Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service

Larry Brookson

It was about a week before the arrival. My concern from the onset was filling up Wellington Street.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

What were you told?

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Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service

Larry Brookson

I was told that the plan was in place and they would leave one lane open.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

The police service stated they would leave one lane open for a protest.

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Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service

Larry Brookson

That's correct. It was for emergency transport.

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Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

We freeze that area every year for Canada Day and special occasions, so it's not that it's not something that's done.

Does the Ottawa police do that every time it's requested?

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Acting Director, Parliamentary Protective Service

Larry Brookson

Through you, Mr. Chair, to be clear, for Canada Day, it's not for vehicles to be parked on Wellington. Wellington is closed down for foot traffic for people who are visiting.